(12-11-2013 10:16 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 03:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  ASU's head coach just left for Boise State. We'll have an interim in place in Mobile for the third straight year. It will be the same guy who coached last year.

5 head coaches in 5 years, and three conference titles in a row. What a strange decade.

And ASU gets a 1 3/4 mill buyout from Boise?

Correct, and Harsin has to pay any taxes we owe off that buyout (another 600K or so)

We'll be able to offer our first million dollar plus annual contract to our next coach thanks to Harsin. That will open up a whole group of assistants that were otherwise untouchable.

(12-11-2013 10:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 10:16 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 03:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  ASU's head coach just left for Boise State. We'll have an interim in place in Mobile for the third straight year. It will be the same guy who coached last year.

5 head coaches in 5 years, and three conference titles in a row. What a strange decade.

And ASU gets a 1 3/4 mill buyout from Boise?

Correct, and Harsin has to pay any taxes we owe off that buyout (another 600K or so)

We'll be able to offer our first million dollar plus annual contract to our next coach thanks to Harsin. That will open up a whole group of assistants that were otherwise untouchable.

The money is nice but how do you recruit guys and build a strong brand when your coaching job is a revolving door. If I was a big time recruit I would think more than twice about anything a coach from the school was telling me before committing. If every coach that comes aboard jumps at the first opening to come his way and hits the first bus out of Jonesboro as soon as the phone rings, why would anyone want to play there and risk a new staff not wanting you or your skills not fitting the system. In some cases losing a coach can be a sign of a growing program, but I also think too much of a good thing can have a negative impact despite the monetary benefit.

(12-11-2013 11:02 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 10:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 10:16 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 03:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  ASU's head coach just left for Boise State. We'll have an interim in place in Mobile for the third straight year. It will be the same guy who coached last year.

5 head coaches in 5 years, and three conference titles in a row. What a strange decade.

And ASU gets a 1 3/4 mill buyout from Boise?

Correct, and Harsin has to pay any taxes we owe off that buyout (another 600K or so)

We'll be able to offer our first million dollar plus annual contract to our next coach thanks to Harsin. That will open up a whole group of assistants that were otherwise untouchable.

The money is nice but how do you recruit guys and build a strong brand when your coaching job is a revolving door. If I was a big time recruit I would think more than twice about anything a coach from the school was telling me before committing. If every coach that comes aboard jumps at the first opening to come his way and hits the first bus out of Jonesboro as soon as the phone rings, why would anyone want to play there and risk a new staff not wanting you or your skills not fitting the system. In some cases losing a coach can be a sign of a growing program, but I also think too much of a good thing can have a negative impact despite the monetary benefit.

We sell recruits the school, and not the coaches. In other words, we fully admit that our coaches leave, but we sell that we will win a conference championship and play in a bowl game regardless what those coaches do.

Many times in the past three years our recruits have recruited each other. A player who really likes us makes friends with several other commitments, when the coach leave, he calls them and they decide together to stay at ASU regardless.

No, its not an ideal situation. We want to do this every three years, not every year, but our recruiting has not suffered, and we've not lost any current players off the roster during any of the transitions either.

Keep in mind, we're recruiting against the Memphis, Southern Miss, ULL, and ULM's of the world. Not Auburn.

As for brand? We've gotten more national attention in the last three seasons than the previous twenty years combined. We had 800,000 viewers for our ESPN2 midweek game this year, which beat out MAC games not involving NIU, and every single CUSA game against a G5 school. Something is working.

(12-11-2013 11:02 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  The money is nice but how do you recruit guys and build a strong brand when your coaching job is a revolving door. If I was a big time recruit I would think more than twice about anything a coach from the school was telling me before committing. If every coach that comes aboard jumps at the first opening to come his way and hits the first bus out of Jonesboro as soon as the phone rings, why would anyone want to play there and risk a new staff not wanting you or your skills not fitting the system. In some cases losing a coach can be a sign of a growing program, but I also think too much of a good thing can have a negative impact despite the monetary benefit.

Uh, speaking of revolving doors, NIU is on its FOURTH coach in the last 6 years.

(12-11-2013 11:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  We sell recruits the school, and not the coaches. In other words, we fully admit that our coaches leave, but we sell that we will win a conference championship and play in a bowl game regardless what those coaches do.

Many times in the past three years our recruits have recruited each other. A player who really likes us makes friends with several other commitments, when the coach leave, he calls them and they decide together to stay at ASU regardless.

No, its not an ideal situation. We want to do this every three years, not every year, but our recruiting has not suffered, and we've not lost any current players off the roster during any of the transitions either.

Keep in mind, we're recruiting against the Memphis, Southern Miss, ULL, and ULM's of the world. Not Auburn.

As for brand? We've gotten more national attention in the last three seasons than the previous twenty years combined. We had 800,000 viewers for our ESPN2 midweek game this year, which beat out MAC games not involving NIU, and every single CUSA game against a G5 school. Something is working.

Sell recruits on the school not the coach, build the brand and push for more TV exposure - that sounds familiar. Good plan. Oh wait, that's just what we're doing at NIU!

We are at the point that it seems to be old hat to the players. The key to recruiting is the visit and our players had a choice, wallow in despair over coaching changes or become a tight knit family.

Earlier this year we were trailing at South Alabama at the half and a junior linebacker (was an RB in last year's GoDaddy) basically took over the locker room and gave a speech about the need to take care of each other, step up in the game and not let one another down. A senior offensive lineman followed up with similar remarks and they roared back to win the game. Basically the same thing happened in the Georgia State game down 17-7 after a mistake riddled first half. Came out returned a fumble for a TD, blocked a punt for a TD before the offense ever took the field.

The coaches are getting the pay days but the players are leading this team.

(12-12-2013 10:10 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 11:02 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  The money is nice but how do you recruit guys and build a strong brand when your coaching job is a revolving door. If I was a big time recruit I would think more than twice about anything a coach from the school was telling me before committing. If every coach that comes aboard jumps at the first opening to come his way and hits the first bus out of Jonesboro as soon as the phone rings, why would anyone want to play there and risk a new staff not wanting you or your skills not fitting the system. In some cases losing a coach can be a sign of a growing program, but I also think too much of a good thing can have a negative impact despite the monetary benefit.

Uh, speaking of revolving doors, NIU is on its FOURTH coach in the last 6 years.

(12-11-2013 11:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  We sell recruits the school, and not the coaches. In other words, we fully admit that our coaches leave, but we sell that we will win a conference championship and play in a bowl game regardless what those coaches do.

Many times in the past three years our recruits have recruited each other. A player who really likes us makes friends with several other commitments, when the coach leave, he calls them and they decide together to stay at ASU regardless.

No, its not an ideal situation. We want to do this every three years, not every year, but our recruiting has not suffered, and we've not lost any current players off the roster during any of the transitions either.

Keep in mind, we're recruiting against the Memphis, Southern Miss, ULL, and ULM's of the world. Not Auburn.

As for brand? We've gotten more national attention in the last three seasons than the previous twenty years combined. We had 800,000 viewers for our ESPN2 midweek game this year, which beat out MAC games not involving NIU, and every single CUSA game against a G5 school. Something is working.

Sell recruits on the school not the coach, build the brand and push for more TV exposure - that sounds familiar. Good plan. Oh wait, that's just what we're doing at NIU!

Yeah, I have had to use NIU as an example for every mouthbreathing sports fan here in Little Rock who thinks that hiring great coaches and winning is a terrible thing.

(12-12-2013 02:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  We are at the point that it seems to be old hat to the players. The key to recruiting is the visit and our players had a choice, wallow in despair over coaching changes or become a tight knit family.

Earlier this year we were trailing at South Alabama at the half and a junior linebacker (was an RB in last year's GoDaddy) basically took over the locker room and gave a speech about the need to take care of each other, step up in the game and not let one another down. A senior offensive lineman followed up with similar remarks and they roared back to win the game. Basically the same thing happened in the Georgia State game down 17-7 after a mistake riddled first half. Came out returned a fumble for a TD, blocked a punt for a TD before the offense ever took the field.

The coaches are getting the pay days but the players are leading this team.

We can also relate to coaches leaving before the Bowls. Hell, with Notre Dame (DC or OC, can't remember) among other teams where HC's are leaving (BGSU, etc), it's almost common place with CFB teams. Hopefully one year the NCAA will attempt to stop it but the busy recruiting before bowl games makes this seem like a distant possibility. :(

I'm looking forward to the Bowl Game in Mobile and meeting some Ark. St. Fans. We'll have to share some drinks before the big game, and hope it's a good one with fair officiating and no injuries on either side.

It's comical to go to that BSU message board and see all the uppity fans talking down on ASU and Jonesboro. The irony is that Muncie and Jonesboro look to be almost mirror images when it comes to towns. Oh well. How many fans do you estimate will make it down to the game? Love to see a full stadium. Hoping for good weather because I always go down a few days early for some fishing on the gulf.

I don't know why you are so offended. The very first post I read when you guys found who you were playing was (paraphrase) "Cool, we will rip them apart". Without a shred of knowledge of how good or not good Ball State is.

Call it ignorance for both sides.

(12-13-2013 11:29 PM)Frozenbaugh Wrote:  I don't know why you are so offended. The very first post I read when you guys found who you were playing was (paraphrase) "Cool, we will rip them apart". Without a shred of knowledge of how good or not good Ball State is.

Call it ignorance for both sides.

Neither fan base has gotten off to a very good start. We're used to more active message boards, and also found ourselves mildly shocked no one could get their accounts approved.

We took it as an insult. Of course, we're in the middle of a coaching search, so there is next to no bowl discussion anyway. this will be our team's 4th game in Mobile and 4th time in the same hotel. With no area recommendations or travel tips, we don't have much else to focus on without any Ball State fans to converse with.

Ball State lost their OC so I am intrigued to see who that will go. I loved his play calling except in the NIU game where he got a little conservative. I realize that's not remotely the same as losing a head coach.

(12-14-2013 07:28 AM)Frozenbaugh Wrote:  Ball State lost their OC so I am intrigued to see who that will go. I loved his play calling except in the NIU game where he got a little conservative. I realize that's not remotely the same as losing a head coach.

Not necessarily. Kelly never coached us in a bowl game, Quinn was the winning coach of the '06 MCB. Jones was 0-2 in bowl games, Steve Stripling coached us in the '09 GMAC win against Troy. Keeping most of the staff intact seemed to be more impt. And both Kelly and Jones called plays.

(12-13-2013 11:29 PM)Frozenbaugh Wrote:  I don't know why you are so offended. The very first post I read when you guys found who you were playing was (paraphrase) "Cool, we will rip them apart". Without a shred of knowledge of how good or not good Ball State is.

Call it ignorance for both sides.

No worries, not offended. We have dentist and everything in Arkansas contrary to the opinion on the BSU message board. Regardless, I think stAte fans would enjoy a little friendly banter but none of the Ball State fans seem interested. I do hope your fan base represents at the bowl game. Last year Toledo had about 500 fans. NIU had more but it was still a little disappointing.

I have a healthy respect for your team and right now you are a favorite, but no one is shaking in their boots at the thought of playing Ball State and I'm sure you feel the same way.

I don't know why people are so eager to get on to another team's message board for one game.

(12-14-2013 01:28 PM)JSF Wrote:  I don't know why people are so eager to get on to another team's message board for one game.

To gin up some emotion for an opponent you otherwise don't care anything about and won't care about again as soon as the game is over?