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(12-02-2013 02:25 PM)Jacque Wrote:  I have never been one to bash the SBC and sing the praises of CUSA, but if WKU at 8-4 sits at home while ULM at 6-6 goes bowling (with a loss to WKU) then I will jump on the CUSA is better for WKU's football program bandwagon.
As someone posted on another thread no team with a record of 7-5 or better should sit at home while 6-6 teams go to bowls.
It is bad enough when every team in the P5 with a pulse gets an invite, but when teams with better records than conference mates sit at home, it is truly a farce.
Apparently, the only way for WKU to get a bid is to win the conference title outright. Sitting at home twice in a three year period while teams with worse records go to bowl games is ridiculous.

If that situation did happen (it won't), it wouldn't be because of the SBC. It would be proximity of ULM to the bowl. At this point, the two SBC-tied bowls are full, the conference has little control on the at-large. The bowls are going to make decisions based on financial projections.
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(12-02-2013 02:40 PM)AndrewMichaelDunn Wrote:  8-4 W. Kentuckey did get their a$$ given to them by a 6-6 Troy just saying about hopes for a bowl game

Who are both tied in the conference

Although it was ULM did beat Troy

Polarity Bowl 2013

But sure West. Kentuckey has a 8-4 record

Though they really do look at conference play

Yeah, that 6 point win just screams domination.
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(12-02-2013 02:40 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 02:32 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 01:22 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  more breaking news on this. asu threatened to sue sbc and go daddy. even had their attorney (arkstfan? you know anything about this? you been awful quiet.) threaten they would file an injunction if wku was invited prior to cajuns/south al game.

go daddy bought it and wanted to get invite out so tix could start selling and asu was only option.

what i'm hearing.
Not at all close to what I hear. Heck, most attorneys I know wouldn't have been in the office in time to put all that together today.

The rumor mill is cranking up.
I guess the next one will be....we paid off somebody to get the invite.

Kind of like the way WKU paid off the referees this past weekend. See how that works?
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(12-02-2013 02:48 PM)Jacque Wrote:  Kind of like the way WKU paid off the referees this past weekend. See how that works?

Probably started by the same idiots.
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(12-02-2013 02:43 PM)galojah Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 02:25 PM)Jacque Wrote:  I have never been one to bash the SBC and sing the praises of CUSA, but if WKU at 8-4 sits at home while ULM at 6-6 goes bowling (with a loss to WKU) then I will jump on the CUSA is better for WKU's football program bandwagon.
As someone posted on another thread no team with a record of 7-5 or better should sit at home while 6-6 teams go to bowls.
It is bad enough when every team in the P5 with a pulse gets an invite, but when teams with better records than conference mates sit at home, it is truly a farce.
Apparently, the only way for WKU to get a bid is to win the conference title outright. Sitting at home twice in a three year period while teams with worse records go to bowl games is ridiculous.

If that situation did happen (it won't), it wouldn't be because of the SBC. It would be proximity of ULM to the bowl. At this point, the two SBC-tied bowls are full, the conference has little control on the at-large. The bowls are going to make decisions based on financial projections.

I know its unlikely to happen but if Beef O'Brady bowl in Tampa is smart and this is about making money, they would trade teams or bypass their secondary agreement with MAC and take WKU over Ohio who would briing thousands more to game vs. MTSU than Ohio would...That would be a great stoyrline for ESPN and if I am WKU admin. I am working hard on making that happen as well as shreveport....I think I speak for all that most WKU fans do not want to do Detroit again and it would be horribly attended by our fanbase this time around.....It needs to be MTSU vs. WKU in bowl in Tampa period...
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(12-02-2013 02:43 PM)galojah Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 02:25 PM)Jacque Wrote:  I have never been one to bash the SBC and sing the praises of CUSA, but if WKU at 8-4 sits at home while ULM at 6-6 goes bowling (with a loss to WKU) then I will jump on the CUSA is better for WKU's football program bandwagon.
As someone posted on another thread no team with a record of 7-5 or better should sit at home while 6-6 teams go to bowls.
It is bad enough when every team in the P5 with a pulse gets an invite, but when teams with better records than conference mates sit at home, it is truly a farce.
Apparently, the only way for WKU to get a bid is to win the conference title outright. Sitting at home twice in a three year period while teams with worse records go to bowl games is ridiculous.

If that situation did happen (it won't), it wouldn't be because of the SBC. It would be proximity of ULM to the bowl. At this point, the two SBC-tied bowls are full, the conference has little control on the at-large. The bowls are going to make decisions based on financial projections.

Not saying it is the SBC's fault as in they made the decision, it is the SBC's fault in that the administration has been unable to better market their programs and obtain more bowl tie-ins. And the joke of sitting at home two years ago while FIU went bowling was on the SBC.
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(12-02-2013 02:49 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 02:48 PM)Jacque Wrote:  Kind of like the way WKU paid off the referees this past weekend. See how that works?

Probably started by the same idiots.

The first was started by ASU idiots (just a few) whereas this rumor will be started by WKU idiots (also just a few).
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(12-02-2013 02:49 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 02:43 PM)galojah Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 02:25 PM)Jacque Wrote:  I have never been one to bash the SBC and sing the praises of CUSA, but if WKU at 8-4 sits at home while ULM at 6-6 goes bowling (with a loss to WKU) then I will jump on the CUSA is better for WKU's football program bandwagon.
As someone posted on another thread no team with a record of 7-5 or better should sit at home while 6-6 teams go to bowls.
It is bad enough when every team in the P5 with a pulse gets an invite, but when teams with better records than conference mates sit at home, it is truly a farce.
Apparently, the only way for WKU to get a bid is to win the conference title outright. Sitting at home twice in a three year period while teams with worse records go to bowl games is ridiculous.

If that situation did happen (it won't), it wouldn't be because of the SBC. It would be proximity of ULM to the bowl. At this point, the two SBC-tied bowls are full, the conference has little control on the at-large. The bowls are going to make decisions based on financial projections.

I know its unlikely to happen but if Beef O'Brady bowl in Tampa is smart and this is about making money, they would trade teams or bypass their secondary agreement with MAC and take WKU over Ohio who would briing thousands more to game vs. MTSU than Ohio would...That would be a great stoyrline for ESPN and if I am WKU admin. I am working hard on making that happen as well as shreveport....I think I speak for all that most WKU fans do not want to do Detroit again and it would be horribly attended by our fanbase this time around.....It needs to be MTSU vs. WKU in bowl in Tampa period...

I believe you guys do deserve a bowl....but as far as WKU Troy vs. MTSU would be even higher attendance....with that said you guys should get the bowl over us......Pizza Bowl is day after Christmas in Detroit.....unless date is changed no school from our conference or any of the little guy conferences is going to have more than 1500 at most.......
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This is what I find funny about ASU fans how their view changes when the shoes in on their foot...

Ten to fourteen days ago when a few fans thought Western might get a bowl and didn't want or think the SBC should give Western the same support as any other SBC...money wise. I brought up the "bylaws" of the conference and pointed out that legally that Western would have a case if the SBC didn't follow those bylaws, what did I hear from those fans....


Just a sample of one of the topics...

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"WKU would have no legal case because the SBC's contract says that the Go daddy can take any team they want that is bowl eligible. We'd have to take a non bowl eligible team to break the contract."

"The Sun Belt doesn't owe WKU squat. So long as WKU doesn't win the conference outright, they aren't owed a spot anywhere. WKU could finish 2nd in the conference, have a 11-1 record and the GDB can take a 6-6 Troy or USA and WKU has no recourse"

"This lawyer talk makes me want to puke."
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(12-02-2013 02:52 PM)Buzz Lightyear Lite Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 02:49 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 02:43 PM)galojah Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 02:25 PM)Jacque Wrote:  I have never been one to bash the SBC and sing the praises of CUSA, but if WKU at 8-4 sits at home while ULM at 6-6 goes bowling (with a loss to WKU) then I will jump on the CUSA is better for WKU's football program bandwagon.
As someone posted on another thread no team with a record of 7-5 or better should sit at home while 6-6 teams go to bowls.
It is bad enough when every team in the P5 with a pulse gets an invite, but when teams with better records than conference mates sit at home, it is truly a farce.
Apparently, the only way for WKU to get a bid is to win the conference title outright. Sitting at home twice in a three year period while teams with worse records go to bowl games is ridiculous.

If that situation did happen (it won't), it wouldn't be because of the SBC. It would be proximity of ULM to the bowl. At this point, the two SBC-tied bowls are full, the conference has little control on the at-large. The bowls are going to make decisions based on financial projections.

I know its unlikely to happen but if Beef O'Brady bowl in Tampa is smart and this is about making money, they would trade teams or bypass their secondary agreement with MAC and take WKU over Ohio who would briing thousands more to game vs. MTSU than Ohio would...That would be a great stoyrline for ESPN and if I am WKU admin. I am working hard on making that happen as well as shreveport....I think I speak for all that most WKU fans do not want to do Detroit again and it would be horribly attended by our fanbase this time around.....It needs to be MTSU vs. WKU in bowl in Tampa period...

I believe you guys do deserve a bowl....but as far as WKU Troy vs. MTSU would be even higher attendance....with that said you guys should get the bowl over us......Pizza Bowl is day after Christmas in Detroit.....unless date is changed no school from our conference or any of the little guy conferences is going to have more than 1500 at most.......

We brought over 4k in a snow storm last year to Detroit, but I guess we dont get credit for that in the bowl eyes since we only had 14k show up this past Sat...We woud travel much better south and not as close to Christmas...
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(12-02-2013 02:50 PM)Jacque Wrote:  Not saying it is the SBC's fault as in they made the decision, it is the SBC's fault in that the administration has been unable to better market their programs and obtain more bowl tie-ins. And the joke of sitting at home two years ago while FIU went bowling was on the SBC.

Not defending the SBC, well maybe I am, but how do you know they haven't done the best they can to market and get more bowl ties. Much like everything else, you can try to sell all day long, but if no one wants to buy, you can't make the sell.

WKU can market themselves to the SEC nonstop, doesn't mean we are getting into the SEC.
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(12-02-2013 02:58 PM)galojah Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 02:50 PM)Jacque Wrote:  Not saying it is the SBC's fault as in they made the decision, it is the SBC's fault in that the administration has been unable to better market their programs and obtain more bowl tie-ins. And the joke of sitting at home two years ago while FIU went bowling was on the SBC.

Not defending the SBC, well maybe I am, but how do you know they haven't done the best they can to market and get more bowl ties. Much luck everything else, you can try to sell all day long, but if no one wants to buy, you can't make the sell.

WKU can market themselves to the SEC nonstop, doesn't mean we are getting into the SEC.

Understood Mr. PC
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(12-02-2013 02:03 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 01:59 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 01:52 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Well well well.....stAte fans have been in meltdown since Saturday because GoDaddy WANTED WKU and not them. I asked a dozen times how they KNEW this and no one answered.

Now I know why.

You should all be embarrassed......look like a bunch a of hysterical wimmens.

I guess we are joining Lafayette in that too.

And ULM in blaming UL for everything including your lack of results on the football field and your rural location.03-lmfao

Maybe everyone will end up blaming you and you can finally be LaTech.
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(12-02-2013 03:06 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 02:03 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 01:59 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 01:52 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Well well well.....stAte fans have been in meltdown since Saturday because GoDaddy WANTED WKU and not them. I asked a dozen times how they KNEW this and no one answered.

Now I know why.

You should all be embarrassed......look like a bunch a of hysterical wimmens.

I guess we are joining Lafayette in that too.

And ULM in blaming UL for everything including your lack of results on the football field and your rural location.03-lmfao

Maybe everyone will end up blaming you and you can finally be LaTech.

Probably so, including La Tech!03-lmfao
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(12-02-2013 03:06 PM)Jacque Wrote:  Understood Mr. PC

You're right, it is more logical and easier to just blame the conference for not holding bowls to gunpoint to add a SBC tie. Yep.

I am not a fan of Karl Benson either, but I am willing to give the conference a little more credit, and certainly the presidents and ADs more credit (they are KB's boss), that they are TRYING to get bowl ties. I honestly just don't think we have big enough fan bases and markets. It's the ugly truth.
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(12-02-2013 02:50 PM)Jacque Wrote:  Not saying it is the SBC's fault as in they made the decision, it is the SBC's fault in that the administration has been unable to better market their programs and obtain more bowl tie-ins. And the joke of sitting at home two years ago while FIU went bowling was on the SBC.

You guys act like the SBC from the past two years has been the norm. The SBC was by far the worst conference top to bottom from its inception until a few years ago.

2001 - 1 Bowl eligible team out of 7 (North Texas received a waiver to play as the conference champion)
2002 - 2 BE teams our of 7
2003 - 1 BE team out of 8
2004 - 2 out of 9
2005 - 2 out of 8
2006 - 3 out of 8
2007 - 3 out of 8
2008 - 4 out of 8
2009 - 4 out of 9
2010 - 3 out of 9
2011 - 4 out of 9
2012 - 5 out of 10

Now most of those years, from 2001-2009, many of the bowl eligible teams had exactly six wins. That is not attractive to bowl officials. The first year WKU was excluded at 7-5, they were 7-1 in SBC play and winless against everyone else. Again, not attractive to a bowl. As SBC teams win games outside of conference, then they become attractive. WKU became such by beating Kentucky last year, an SEC team regardless of finish. The same applies this year.

Also consider that prior to this offseason, the most tie-ins the SBC could have was three. It took until 2006 before the SBC could have more than one. After last year, the SBC was eligible to find four tie-ins for the first time.

If the SBC gets six bowl eligible teams again next year, or USA wins Saturday and five next year, then they would be eligible for five tie-ins.

As it stands now, the SBC has one less bowl tie-in than they are eligible for per the NCAA rules.
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in the years to come assuming the 11 fb playing schools for next year stay together I would argue the SBC will have at a minimum 5 bowl eligible teams every year.
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(12-02-2013 02:01 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  I would not be surprised to have some bad blood between ASU and WKU admins from now on. Things didn't get handled very well from what I hear. It might be a long time until any sports plays each other again.

ASU has sort of cast our dye with the Sun Belt over the last couple years. We've used a team leaving the conference as motivation to our players each of the last few years.

We also out negotiated WKU for the Go Daddy Bowl.

I could see where we wouldn't get along. I also don't really see future scheduling as a big deal. We don't play a single former SBC school in any sport this year. I would not be surprised if this continued for a while.
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(12-02-2013 03:16 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(12-02-2013 02:50 PM)Jacque Wrote:  Not saying it is the SBC's fault as in they made the decision, it is the SBC's fault in that the administration has been unable to better market their programs and obtain more bowl tie-ins. And the joke of sitting at home two years ago while FIU went bowling was on the SBC.

You guys act like the SBC from the past two years has been the norm. The SBC was by far the worst conference top to bottom from its inception until a few years ago.

2001 - 1 Bowl eligible team out of 7 (North Texas received a waiver to play as the conference champion)
2002 - 2 BE teams our of 7
2003 - 1 BE team out of 8
2004 - 2 out of 9
2005 - 2 out of 8
2006 - 3 out of 8
2007 - 3 out of 8
2008 - 4 out of 8
2009 - 4 out of 9
2010 - 3 out of 9
2011 - 4 out of 9
2012 - 5 out of 10

Now most of those years, from 2001-2009, many of the bowl eligible teams had exactly six wins. That is not attractive to bowl officials. The first year WKU was excluded at 7-5, they were 7-1 in SBC play and winless against everyone else. Again, not attractive to a bowl. As SBC teams win games outside of conference, then they become attractive. WKU became such by beating Kentucky last year, an SEC team regardless of finish. The same applies this year.

Also consider that prior to this offseason, the most tie-ins the SBC could have was three. It took until 2006 before the SBC could have more than one. After last year, the SBC was eligible to find four tie-ins for the first time.

If the SBC gets six bowl eligible teams again next year, or USA wins Saturday and five next year, then they would be eligible for five tie-ins.

As it stands now, the SBC has one less bowl tie-in than they are eligible for per the NCAA rules.

First you disparage WKU two years ago because we had a poor OOC record, thus we did not deserve a bowl. This year, WKU had the best OOC record and an 8-4 record and we still do not get a bowl. Which is it? OOC record or conference record.
Like the selection criteria for March Madness, it changes based upon what the power-that-be want the final result to be.
I understand that we have two tie-ins, then a couple of back-up agreements. If we are eligible for four than we are two under, not one.
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