When were the contracts written, when do they expire? Can the SBC commissioner have any effect on who the bowl committee selects? I think the SBC can only suggest and encourage a bowl to pick a certain team, but that's about it. The biggest way to make a bowl want a team is to bring fans. So when fans get an invite and don't show up then they won't be selected next time. Hopefully next year with 3 bowls it'll be a little better. Teams and fans just need to take advantage of any opportunity they get. UL has proven it can bring the fans to a city and that's what they are looking for. So IF any other SBC team gets a bowl bid they need to sell 20K+ tickets and fill up those hotels.

(12-02-2013 10:22 AM)Jacque Wrote:  The SBC really needs, and deserves, more than two guaranteed bowl tie-ins. It seems that the league is not held in as high of regard as it should be. With the many talented teams in the league this year and the fact that the majority of the bowls are located in the SBC footprint, you would think that it would be a no-brainer to establish a relationship with the SBC.

Need more bowl game tie ins in our footprint. Bowl sponsors are sick of paying $$$ for games on TV attended by 5000 fans of two schools 800 miles away.

(12-02-2013 10:32 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 10:28 AM)panama Wrote:  I think I am missing something here. Bowls are in the business of making money. Having a team with a lot of alumni and fans close by makes you more money. If the CUSA opponent is Tulane they may actually get 50k in the Superdome. So its obvious what RL Carrier's motivation is.

From Louisiana side, ask their fans if they would rather go to New Orleans or Shreveport. Another no brainer. And again, are they more likely to go to a bowl game where the opponent is a known in state school? Yes.

I am I guess failing to see how CKB could have forced Louisiana to go to Shreveport or forced the NOLA bowl to make a lower attended matchup.

Correct. The bowl games first priority is to lock up teams that sell tickets. After that they'll look for TV ratings and lastly how much hotel/restaurant impact it will have on the host city. Karl Benson can try and convince games and universities how to line up but he does not get to make any decisions.

Exactly. So we cant blame him for the low regard in which this league is held. We need to get better and we need more bowl tie ins in places like Atlanta, Nashville, Memphis, Houston and Dallas that we can match close by teams with.

Until SBC has bargaining power, we will have to take our bowl ties as we can get them. Right now, the bowls are not willing to relinquish selection control. Is it an ideal situation? No, of course not. But the other option is probably not to have the tie-in at all. We got what we could. These bowls have to feel comfortable they can get the right teams to make money. They don't have that full confidence in our conference, yet.

I understand the difficulties the SBC faces. But password protecting the conference bylaws was a Mickey Mouse move that made everyone immediately think "screw job".

Would the ACC or Pac-12 hide their bylaws when a reporter asked a question? No. So who thought that was a good move for an FBS conference office to do?

Sheesh.

(12-02-2013 10:28 AM)panama Wrote:  I think I am missing something here. Bowls are in the business of making money. Having a team with a lot of alumni and fans close by makes you more money. If the CUSA opponent is Tulane they may actually get 50k in the Superdome. So its obvious what RL Carrier's motivation is.

From Louisiana side, ask their fans if they would rather go to New Orleans or Shreveport. Another no brainer. And again, are they more likely to go to a bowl game where the opponent is a known in state school? Yes.

I am I guess failing to see how CKB could have forced Louisiana to go to Shreveport or forced the NOLA bowl to make a lower attended matchup.

To me that would depend on who the matchup would be against in the I-Bowl. Sure, New Orleans would have a lot more things to do than Shreveport, but it's not like Cajun fans can't visit NO on any given weekend. Say that the I-Bowl got Boston College or a Pac-12 team. I'd jump at the chance to play there over an in-state school, and the drive to Shreveport isn't that much further.

(12-02-2013 10:22 AM)Jacque Wrote:  The SBC really needs, and deserves, more than two guaranteed bowl tie-ins. It seems that the league is not held in as high of regard as it should be. With the many talented teams in the league this year and the fact that the majority of the bowls are located in the SBC footprint, you would think that it would be a no-brainer to establish a relationship with the SBC.

Yet the MAC has all of the Sun Belts secondary agreements in the South and SUn Belts footpring...THis conference has been lacking leadership for awhile....I always have mainted Go Daddy is picking the team and no one in the SB office will be able to tell them who to pick as conf. has no leverage with the 2 measly tie ins they have....

So its looks like Ark St. is not out.....So now they are choosing ASU, not a suprise.....I seriously doubt USA was ever in contention, how many hotels would USA occupy? Bowls are all about the money and I guess in the end they did chose ticket sales...

(12-02-2013 11:10 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 10:22 AM)Jacque Wrote:  The SBC really needs, and deserves, more than two guaranteed bowl tie-ins. It seems that the league is not held in as high of regard as it should be. With the many talented teams in the league this year and the fact that the majority of the bowls are located in the SBC footprint, you would think that it would be a no-brainer to establish a relationship with the SBC.

Yet the MAC has all of the Sun Belts secondary agreements in the South and SUn Belts footpring...THis conference has been lacking leadership for awhile....I always have mainted Go Daddy is picking the team and no one in the SB office will be able to tell them who to pick as conf. has no leverage with the 2 measly tie ins they have....

So its looks like Ark St. is out.....So now they are choosing between WKU and Troy.....I seriously doubt USA is in contention, how many hotels would USA occupy? Bowls are all about the money and they know WKU would bring 8k+ and fill up all of the hotels for several days with our basketball team also paying during that time...

Exactly how much hotel revenue does the GoDaddy Bowl pocket? None you say? Then I submit that ticket sales would be their top priority, not hotel revenue for the city.

(12-02-2013 11:09 AM)HCJag Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 10:28 AM)panama Wrote:  I think I am missing something here. Bowls are in the business of making money. Having a team with a lot of alumni and fans close by makes you more money. If the CUSA opponent is Tulane they may actually get 50k in the Superdome. So its obvious what RL Carrier's motivation is.

From Louisiana side, ask their fans if they would rather go to New Orleans or Shreveport. Another no brainer. And again, are they more likely to go to a bowl game where the opponent is a known in state school? Yes.

I am I guess failing to see how CKB could have forced Louisiana to go to Shreveport or forced the NOLA bowl to make a lower attended matchup.

To me that would depend on who the matchup would be against in the I-Bowl. Sure, New Orleans would have a lot more things to do than Shreveport, but it's not like Cajun fans can't visit NO on any given weekend. Say that the I-Bowl got Boston College or a Pac-12 team. I'd jump at the chance to play there over an in-state school, and the drive to Shreveport isn't that much further.

With the Monroe loss...facing a ranked or a P5 team became somewhat less important. I can see why they would take the NO bid at that point.

(12-02-2013 11:10 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 10:22 AM)Jacque Wrote:  The SBC really needs, and deserves, more than two guaranteed bowl tie-ins. It seems that the league is not held in as high of regard as it should be. With the many talented teams in the league this year and the fact that the majority of the bowls are located in the SBC footprint, you would think that it would be a no-brainer to establish a relationship with the SBC.

Yet the MAC has all of the Sun Belts secondary agreements in the South and SUn Belts footpring...THis conference has been lacking leadership for awhile....I always have mainted Go Daddy is picking the team and no one in the SB office will be able to tell them who to pick as conf. has no leverage with the 2 measly tie ins they have....

So its looks like Ark St. is out.....So now they are choosing between WKU and Troy.....I seriously doubt USA is in contention, how many hotels would USA occupy? Bowls are all about the money and they know WKU would bring 8k+ and fill up all of the hotels for several days with our basketball team also paying during that time...

I wonder if the Indy would take ULM or ASU if they take an SBC team. That could get interesting. ASU deserves it more, but ULM brings over 20k to Shreveport.

(12-02-2013 11:05 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  I understand the difficulties the SBC faces. But password protecting the conference bylaws was a Mickey Mouse move that made everyone immediately think "screw job".

Would the ACC or Pac-12 hide their bylaws when a reporter asked a question? No. So who thought that was a good move for an FBS conference office to do?

Sheesh.

You shouldn't offend Mickey Mouse by comparing our commissioner to him.

(12-02-2013 11:13 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:10 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 10:22 AM)Jacque Wrote:  The SBC really needs, and deserves, more than two guaranteed bowl tie-ins. It seems that the league is not held in as high of regard as it should be. With the many talented teams in the league this year and the fact that the majority of the bowls are located in the SBC footprint, you would think that it would be a no-brainer to establish a relationship with the SBC.

Yet the MAC has all of the Sun Belts secondary agreements in the South and SUn Belts footpring...THis conference has been lacking leadership for awhile....I always have mainted Go Daddy is picking the team and no one in the SB office will be able to tell them who to pick as conf. has no leverage with the 2 measly tie ins they have....

So its looks like Ark St. is out.....So now they are choosing between WKU and Troy.....I seriously doubt USA is in contention, how many hotels would USA occupy? Bowls are all about the money and they know WKU would bring 8k+ and fill up all of the hotels for several days with our basketball team also paying during that time...

Exactly how much hotel revenue does the GoDaddy Bowl pocket? None you say? Then I submit that ticket sales would be their top priority, not hotel revenue for the city.

Honestly, do you think USA deserves to be bowling this season at 6 and 6? BOwls and the city work together, of course they want hotel revenue....Any arguement saying othewise is ridciluous...Even if you USA did go bowling, how many fans do you think would show up to watch your 6 and 6 team on the eve of national champoinship game? Even if Alabama or Auburn is not in it I doubt your "home crowd" would be over the top...

(12-02-2013 11:22 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:13 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:10 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 10:22 AM)Jacque Wrote:  The SBC really needs, and deserves, more than two guaranteed bowl tie-ins. It seems that the league is not held in as high of regard as it should be. With the many talented teams in the league this year and the fact that the majority of the bowls are located in the SBC footprint, you would think that it would be a no-brainer to establish a relationship with the SBC.

Yet the MAC has all of the Sun Belts secondary agreements in the South and SUn Belts footpring...THis conference has been lacking leadership for awhile....I always have mainted Go Daddy is picking the team and no one in the SB office will be able to tell them who to pick as conf. has no leverage with the 2 measly tie ins they have....

So its looks like Ark St. is out.....So now they are choosing between WKU and Troy.....I seriously doubt USA is in contention, how many hotels would USA occupy? Bowls are all about the money and they know WKU would bring 8k+ and fill up all of the hotels for several days with our basketball team also paying during that time...

Exactly how much hotel revenue does the GoDaddy Bowl pocket? None you say? Then I submit that ticket sales would be their top priority, not hotel revenue for the city.

Honestly, do you think USA deserves to be bowling this season at 6 and 6? BOwls and the city work together, of course they want hotel revenue....Any arguement saying othewise is ridciluous...Even if you USA did go bowling, how many fans do you think would show up to watch your 6 and 6 team on the eve of national champoinship game? Even if Alabama or Auburn is not in it I doubt your "home crowd" would be over the top...

Troy filled up the Godaddy bowl in 2009 on the eve of the NCG. If Troy can do it in Mobile, USA certainly can. If I were godaddy, and USA makes it to 6-6, you bet I'm taking USA.

(12-02-2013 11:09 AM)HCJag Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 10:28 AM)panama Wrote:  I think I am missing something here. Bowls are in the business of making money. Having a team with a lot of alumni and fans close by makes you more money. If the CUSA opponent is Tulane they may actually get 50k in the Superdome. So its obvious what RL Carrier's motivation is.

From Louisiana side, ask their fans if they would rather go to New Orleans or Shreveport. Another no brainer. And again, are they more likely to go to a bowl game where the opponent is a known in state school? Yes.

I am I guess failing to see how CKB could have forced Louisiana to go to Shreveport or forced the NOLA bowl to make a lower attended matchup.

To me that would depend on who the matchup would be against in the I-Bowl. Sure, New Orleans would have a lot more things to do than Shreveport, but it's not like Cajun fans can't visit NO on any given weekend. Say that the I-Bowl got Boston College or a Pac-12 team. I'd jump at the chance to play there over an in-state school, and the drive to Shreveport isn't that much further.

But BC or a PAC12 school will bring nobody to Shreveport. That's the key. Better destination city and likely a 50k screaming fans. Louisiana vs Tulane will be win for all involved including ESPN

The league doesn't need to have the ability to enforce its regulations against a bowl committee and it doesn't need to be in the bowl contract. The league regs say that SBC teams cannot negotiate for bowls on their own and that it must be done through the league. That is how the league enforces its own regs. They aren't mere suggestions and if you don't agree then try to violate any of the other regs and see if there isn't swift punishment.

All the league has to do is tell the bowl and "Team X" that they cannot negotiate due to the league rules. My guess is that the league would rather ignore its own rules than risk the relationship with the bowl committee going forward. That is understandable to an extent as bowls are about sponsors, tourism and politics. It isn't about trying to help WKU or Troy as much as it is about bending over backwards to please the people in Mobile.

Of course, none of that matter if ULL wins Saturday.

(12-02-2013 11:27 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:22 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:13 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:10 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 10:22 AM)Jacque Wrote:  The SBC really needs, and deserves, more than two guaranteed bowl tie-ins. It seems that the league is not held in as high of regard as it should be. With the many talented teams in the league this year and the fact that the majority of the bowls are located in the SBC footprint, you would think that it would be a no-brainer to establish a relationship with the SBC.

Yet the MAC has all of the Sun Belts secondary agreements in the South and SUn Belts footpring...THis conference has been lacking leadership for awhile....I always have mainted Go Daddy is picking the team and no one in the SB office will be able to tell them who to pick as conf. has no leverage with the 2 measly tie ins they have....

So its looks like Ark St. is out.....So now they are choosing between WKU and Troy.....I seriously doubt USA is in contention, how many hotels would USA occupy? Bowls are all about the money and they know WKU would bring 8k+ and fill up all of the hotels for several days with our basketball team also paying during that time...

Exactly how much hotel revenue does the GoDaddy Bowl pocket? None you say? Then I submit that ticket sales would be their top priority, not hotel revenue for the city.

Honestly, do you think USA deserves to be bowling this season at 6 and 6? BOwls and the city work together, of course they want hotel revenue....Any arguement saying othewise is ridciluous...Even if you USA did go bowling, how many fans do you think would show up to watch your 6 and 6 team on the eve of national champoinship game? Even if Alabama or Auburn is not in it I doubt your "home crowd" would be over the top...

Troy filled up the Godaddy bowl in 2009 on the eve of the NCG. If Troy can do it in Mobile, USA certainly can. If I were godaddy, and USA makes it to 6-6, you bet I'm taking USA.

This.

Its not rocket science.

(12-02-2013 11:34 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:09 AM)HCJag Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 10:28 AM)panama Wrote:  I think I am missing something here. Bowls are in the business of making money. Having a team with a lot of alumni and fans close by makes you more money. If the CUSA opponent is Tulane they may actually get 50k in the Superdome. So its obvious what RL Carrier's motivation is.

From Louisiana side, ask their fans if they would rather go to New Orleans or Shreveport. Another no brainer. And again, are they more likely to go to a bowl game where the opponent is a known in state school? Yes.

I am I guess failing to see how CKB could have forced Louisiana to go to Shreveport or forced the NOLA bowl to make a lower attended matchup.

To me that would depend on who the matchup would be against in the I-Bowl. Sure, New Orleans would have a lot more things to do than Shreveport, but it's not like Cajun fans can't visit NO on any given weekend. Say that the I-Bowl got Boston College or a Pac-12 team. I'd jump at the chance to play there over an in-state school, and the drive to Shreveport isn't that much further.

But BC or a PAC12 school will bring nobody to Shreveport. That's the key. Better destination city and likely a 50k screaming fans. Louisiana vs Tulane will be win for all involved including ESPN

50,000 is a low ball number unless the Cajuns lose to USA on Saturday. Attendence was over 48,000 last year. I was there and there couldn't have been more than 3,000 Pirate fans in the Dome. If UL is able to win Saturday and Tulane brings 15 to 20K, there will be greater than 60,000 in attendence. That looks pretty good for ESPN and the bowl sponsors. As someone metentioned before, Tulane alums will buy tickets and donate them. They will also have many that can easily afford to fly to New Orleans to see a rare bowl game and enjoy a weekend in their old college town.

(12-02-2013 12:11 PM)WErLOUISIANA Wrote:  50,000 is a low ball number unless the Cajuns lose to USA on Saturday. Attendence was over 48,000 last year. I was there and there couldn't have been more than 3,000 Pirate fans in the Dome. If UL is able to win Saturday and Tulane brings 15 to 20K, there will be greater than 60,000 in attendence. That looks pretty good for ESPN and the bowl sponsors. As someone metentioned before, Tulane alums will buy tickets and donate them. They will also have many that can easily afford to fly to New Orleans to see a rare bowl game and enjoy a weekend in their old college town.

That's one of the best match-ups for attendance possible. USM or Loser Tech would have also been good.

(12-02-2013 12:42 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:11 PM)WErLOUISIANA Wrote:  50,000 is a low ball number unless the Cajuns lose to USA on Saturday. Attendence was over 48,000 last year. I was there and there couldn't have been more than 3,000 Pirate fans in the Dome. If UL is able to win Saturday and Tulane brings 15 to 20K, there will be greater than 60,000 in attendence. That looks pretty good for ESPN and the bowl sponsors. As someone metentioned before, Tulane alums will buy tickets and donate them. They will also have many that can easily afford to fly to New Orleans to see a rare bowl game and enjoy a weekend in their old college town.

That's one of the best match-ups for attendance possible. USM or Loser Tech would have also been good.

That's really all t he bowls care about. They couldn't give a rip about conference politics if a dollar can be made.

(12-02-2013 12:42 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:11 PM)WErLOUISIANA Wrote:  50,000 is a low ball number unless the Cajuns lose to USA on Saturday. Attendence was over 48,000 last year. I was there and there couldn't have been more than 3,000 Pirate fans in the Dome. If UL is able to win Saturday and Tulane brings 15 to 20K, there will be greater than 60,000 in attendence. That looks pretty good for ESPN and the bowl sponsors. As someone metentioned before, Tulane alums will buy tickets and donate them. They will also have many that can easily afford to fly to New Orleans to see a rare bowl game and enjoy a weekend in their old college town.

That's one of the best match-ups for attendance possible. USM or Loser Tech would have also been good.

What SBC fans need to realize is that the past two years combined with this year will put the NOB on solid financial ground. The last two years have netted them well over $1M each year above their previous years in ticket sales alone. Without revenue, the bowl could have folded and we'd all be fighting over the Godaddy Bowl. We should be greatful that we host a bowl in the #1 rated sports destination in the world. Many if not all Sun Belt schools are within a day's drive of New Orleans. Next year will most likely provide the opportunity for a differernt Sun Belt team to host. Whoever it is needs to step up and bring no less than 20,000 of there own fans to the game. From discussions that I have had with Cajuns fans, several plan to attend next year even if the Cajuns are not in it.