(12-01-2013 10:49 PM)banker Wrote:  Here's the thing, there is no official BCS ranking for Marshall, Rice or anyone past #25. The BCS only puts out a ranking for the top 25 teams. Period.

It was retarded by the conference to base a tie breaker on something that doesn't exist. That's why they were running around the last two days consulting with people to try and cover their azzes and had to calculate it themselves. They screwed up because their formula does not equally weight the two human polls and the computer number.

Exactly. This is why they should use only the Computer Rankings, which do rank all the FBS teams (and in some cases, FCS as well).

(12-01-2013 11:25 PM)HHHERD Wrote:  1. Rice and Marshall will play in Houston.
2. CUSA Headquarters screwed this up and that should be embarrassing to us all!

The Athletic Directors and University Presidents should demand a more transparent system. I am glad this game is at Rice, but for the last 24 hours I have hated the possibility that a handful of poll voters had such power over our conference title game and the perceived conflict of interest in the voting.

(12-01-2013 11:37 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 11:25 PM)HHHERD Wrote:  1. Rice and Marshall will play in Houston.
2. CUSA Headquarters screwed this up and that should be embarrassing to us all!

The Athletic Directors and University Presidents should demand a more transparent system. I am glad this game is at Rice, but for the last 24 hours I have hated the possibility that a handful of poll voters had such power over our conference title game and the perceived conflict of interest in the voting.

All this could have been avoided if Bailiff had voted Rice #1 like I suggested...

I guarantee you'll see the rules changed after this.

(12-01-2013 11:32 PM)texd Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 10:49 PM)banker Wrote:  Here's the thing, there is no official BCS ranking for Marshall, Rice or anyone past #25. The BCS only puts out a ranking for the top 25 teams. Period.

It was retarded by the conference to base a tie breaker on something that doesn't exist. That's why they were running around the last two days consulting with people to try and cover their azzes and had to calculate it themselves. They screwed up because their formula does not equally weight the two human polls and the computer number.

Exactly. This is why they should use only the Computer Rankings, which do rank all the FBS teams (and in some cases, FCS as well).

If they would have said that beforehand and had that as the rule then all of this could have been avoided. Thats not the rule they had in place however so you see a lot of people very unhappy right now and rightfully so.

Maybe voters notice we beat the crap out of teams you sneak by while computer geeks aren't allowed to type that data in.

(12-01-2013 11:39 PM)banker Wrote:  Maybe voters notice we beat the crap out of teams you sneak by while computer geeks aren't allowed to type that data in.

That's the thing wrong with the BCS computer ranking component. They dont allow margin of victory. You dont get input into those rankings that Marshall is only 9 points away from being undefeated or that we have severly outplayed other teams we won against. Squeaking by with wins and getting blown out in losses don't count when some of that should be factored in.

(12-01-2013 10:52 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  There will be 10K fans at this game.

Wow. This comment comes from a Tulsa fan after attendance was 17,635 for the 2012 championship game at Tulsa? People who live in glass houses . . .

(12-01-2013 11:38 PM)sportsphantom1 Wrote:  If they would have said that beforehand and had that as the rule then all of this could have been avoided. Thats not the rule they had in place however so you see a lot of people very unhappy right now and rightfully so.

What good does it do at this point, other than distract the team's focus with "what-ifs"?

These are the situations where people gripe about a game situation, and end up having their butts handed to them.... which then reveals it would have been a moot point anyway.

One of us, either MU or Rice, was going to get screwed by this tiebreaker set-up. Had it been the other way around and the modifications not made wouldn't Rice have been equally screwed?

(12-01-2013 11:58 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 11:38 PM)sportsphantom1 Wrote:  If they would have said that beforehand and had that as the rule then all of this could have been avoided. Thats not the rule they had in place however so you see a lot of people very unhappy right now and rightfully so.

What good does it do at this point, other than distract the team's focus with "what-ifs"?

These are the situations where people gripe about a game situation, and end up having their butts handed to them.... which then reveals it would have been a moot point anyway.

I dont play on the team so what I say has nothing to do with them. If they get their butts handed to them that is still not a justification for the poor way CUSA handled the situation by making up their own formula.

Hoot.

(12-01-2013 11:26 PM)sportsphantom1 Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 11:16 PM)vnork Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 11:08 PM)FNblazer Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/rankings/bcs

???

How did the conference officials deviate from this calculation?

The official BCS rankings are found here: http://www.bcsfootball.org/

The CBS Sports ranking is not official, any ranking past 25 is an extrapolation performed by CBS's BCS analyst.

If the conference says they will go by BCS ranking wouldnt you think the most logical step would be to extrapolate the numbers using the BCS formula that is used to rank the teams like the conference said they would instead of making up your own formula because Rice didnt get any votes in the two polls that make up 2/3 of the BCS ranking?

That's exactly right. Instead they use final determination buy some altered formula from Jerry Palm instead. Straight from the CUSA site:

"I worked with C-USA today on an extended BCS formula for breaking the tie between Marshall and Rice for home field advantage in the conference championship game," said Palm. "It doesn't match the formula I use for my ratings on CBSSports.com, which serve a different purpose, but I believe it was absolutely appropriate and fair."


In other words, CUSA changes it up in midstream to come up with a winner. Unbelievable. CUSA should have stuck with what they said and used the BCS formula. Huge black eye on the conference today.


That being said...I think some of the Rice fans are taking the Marshall fans the wrong way. The feelings I have toward this situations is not directed at Rice at all.

(12-02-2013 12:32 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  "I worked with C-USA today on an extended BCS formula for breaking the tie between Marshall and Rice for home field advantage in the conference championship game," said Palm. "It doesn't match the formula I use for my ratings on CBSSports.com, which serve a different purpose, but I believe it was absolutely appropriate and fair."

But his formula isn't the BCS formula. What they did also differs from my own personal formula of deciding based on which city comes first alphabetically, and that difference is just about as meaningful. The fact is they couldn't use the official BCS formula because the official BCS formula doesn't address teams past 25. At all.

The conference simply underthought this from the getgo. They adopted a rule that other conferences had used successfully in the past but ignored the fact that when other conferences invoked the rule, the teams involved were all top 25. They never considered what happens when the teams involved are outside that range.

The most appropriate rule here would be to use only rankings that include all teams. At this point in time that would be only the computer rankings, though it's conceivable that in the future it could include some human rankings.

Let's not pretend that when our human poll results came out that Rice fans weren't just as butthurt, confused, and full of conspiracy theories as they perceive us to be right now.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=664572

This whole thread talks about the good 'ol boy network of voting and everything else. Now that the tables are turned we're suddenly the bad guys?

It is what it is. Just hope for a good exciting game that everyone in the conference can enjoy.

(12-01-2013 10:07 PM)sportsphantom1 Wrote:  CUSA officials do what they can to make sure Texas is hosting the CUSA championship. Rice doesnt get any votes in the polls that make up 2/3 of a teams BCS ranking so instead of factoring that in, CUSA says to h#ll with the BCS ranking formula lets make up our own ranking that places Rice higher and gives them the championship game. Unbelievable.

The Marshall whining is what's unbelievable.
You played a far, far weaker SOS. That's why you are travelling.

(12-01-2013 11:45 PM)sportsphantom1 Wrote:  Marshall is only 9 points away from being undefeated

You mean like the way you're only 2 points away from having this same argument with MTSU and ECU over which 6-2 East team should be going to Houston? The fact is you're not undefeated are you? If you were, this wouldn't be an issue.

(12-02-2013 12:18 AM)sportsphantom1 Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 11:58 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 11:38 PM)sportsphantom1 Wrote:  If they would have said that beforehand and had that as the rule then all of this could have been avoided. Thats not the rule they had in place however so you see a lot of people very unhappy right now and rightfully so.

What good does it do at this point, other than distract the team's focus with "what-ifs"?

These are the situations where people gripe about a game situation, and end up having their butts handed to them.... which then reveals it would have been a moot point anyway.

I dont play on the team so what I say has nothing to do with them. If they get their butts handed to them that is still not a justification for the poor way CUSA handled the situation by making up their own formula.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the frustration, and how it may seem unfair....

But at this point, what's the point? Get behind the team, and the situation it is in. Your team is in the conference championship game! I'd gladly have UTEP travel to Bangor Maine by donkey (for the UTSA fans), if we could play in it.

Next year we'll just flip a coin.

(12-02-2013 01:14 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Next year we'll just flip a coin.

Why bother with the effort of the coin flip? Just put out a press release and give it to the West Division School.

Going back to 2005, there have been 149 C-USA Championship Events (through the 2013-14 season). Here's the breakout of hosts of these events...

Houston = 24
Tulsa = 21
Rice = 15 (counting 2013 football)
C-USA Hosted = 14
UCF= 13
Memphis = 12
UTEP = 11
UAB = 11
SMU = 7
Southern Miss = 6
ECU = 5
Tulane = 3
- North Texas = 1
- Old Dominion = 1
- Charlotte = 1
- FAU = 1
- Middle Tennessee = 1
Marshall = 1
TBD in 2013-14 = 1