(12-01-2013 02:22 PM)The Howling Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:05 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:25 PM)The Howling Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:00 PM)exflash Wrote:  UL has great fan support and the NO Bowl has in the last 2 years experienced a shock wave from the Cajuns being there---can you imagine going from about 22K to almost 50K, which by the way, was probably 95% Cajun fans----a University selling more than most of the BIG 5 conferences in the country of their ticket allotment-----If the right team would have been guaranteed for the Indy Bowl we might have taken it but with the date, the possible weather conditions, and S-Port compared to NO---It surely becomes the classic NO BRAINER---Add to this that last year and I imagine this year, the Cajuns wouldn't be compensated for their extra fans ticket sales or given the type of seating that the NO Bowl gives us---Can you possibly see our point???? Also add that the money that UL generates was shared by covering your asses of expense occurred!!! Please tell me where selfishness stars or ends and common sense prevails!!!!

We see the point, and no one is questioning that you are the champ and all that, although I think it looks a little silly that it seems like ULL has their own bowl. I just thought we had each other's backs, that's all, instead I see ULL fans supporting a defector. Yeah, yeah, I know, we'd all jump at the chance yada yada. I for one have supported ULL all along, saying you deserved all the accolades and represented the Belt well. I've even called your sorry a**es Louisiana, like you wanted. Yeah, you wanted us to lose so you'd have sole possession of 1st place. Got it. But you all come over here making a public display of supporting WKU and have been all along. I hope you do get an invite to a watered-down CUSA and join your buddies, then ASU, ULM, Troy, USA, and the rest of us can get on with trying to make OUR conference what we all know it can be.

Okay, this is where I draw the line. UL is supposed to have ASU's back? I'm sorry, I find this statement ironic when your program wasn't concerned about our request to call us Louisiana. I can understand State fans disappointment, but this really is a load of crap in my book. Have your backs, when a large number of your fans support ULM over UL at every opportunity? We've gotten a first hand look how State has our back, joining ULM in sticking a knife in it.

YOU are drawing the line? I don't know the politics you are talking about, but that's the best you can come up with, what we call your school? I for one have always supported you being called UL because I thought it was better for the conference. I didn't know ASU had done anything to stick you in the back, and I hope to heck someday the state of Louisiana will dub you guys UL so you can feel legit!

What, are you kidding? You use Howling to post on your forum right? I've seen a number of your post dude, and you ain't supporting UL on jack! No one owes you an appology period. Had you taken care of business of the football field yesterday, you wouldn't be wetting the bed today.

(12-01-2013 02:30 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:22 PM)The Howling Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:05 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:25 PM)The Howling Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:00 PM)exflash Wrote:  UL has great fan support and the NO Bowl has in the last 2 years experienced a shock wave from the Cajuns being there---can you imagine going from about 22K to almost 50K, which by the way, was probably 95% Cajun fans----a University selling more than most of the BIG 5 conferences in the country of their ticket allotment-----If the right team would have been guaranteed for the Indy Bowl we might have taken it but with the date, the possible weather conditions, and S-Port compared to NO---It surely becomes the classic NO BRAINER---Add to this that last year and I imagine this year, the Cajuns wouldn't be compensated for their extra fans ticket sales or given the type of seating that the NO Bowl gives us---Can you possibly see our point???? Also add that the money that UL generates was shared by covering your asses of expense occurred!!! Please tell me where selfishness stars or ends and common sense prevails!!!!

We see the point, and no one is questioning that you are the champ and all that, although I think it looks a little silly that it seems like ULL has their own bowl. I just thought we had each other's backs, that's all, instead I see ULL fans supporting a defector. Yeah, yeah, I know, we'd all jump at the chance yada yada. I for one have supported ULL all along, saying you deserved all the accolades and represented the Belt well. I've even called your sorry a**es Louisiana, like you wanted. Yeah, you wanted us to lose so you'd have sole possession of 1st place. Got it. But you all come over here making a public display of supporting WKU and have been all along. I hope you do get an invite to a watered-down CUSA and join your buddies, then ASU, ULM, Troy, USA, and the rest of us can get on with trying to make OUR conference what we all know it can be.

Okay, this is where I draw the line. UL is supposed to have ASU's back? I'm sorry, I find this statement ironic when your program wasn't concerned about our request to call us Louisiana. I can understand State fans disappointment, but this really is a load of crap in my book. Have your backs, when a large number of your fans support ULM over UL at every opportunity? We've gotten a first hand look how State has our back, joining ULM in sticking a knife in it.

YOU are drawing the line? I don't know the politics you are talking about, but that's the best you can come up with, what we call your school? I for one have always supported you being called UL because I thought it was better for the conference. I didn't know ASU had done anything to stick you in the back, and I hope to heck someday the state of Louisiana will dub you guys UL so you can feel legit!

What, are you kidding? You use Howling to post on your forum right? I've seen a number of your post dude, and you ain't supporting UL on jack! No one owes you an appology period. Had you taken care of business of the football field yesterday, you wouldn't be wetting the bed today.

No, I'm not Howling on our board...that's someone else, sorry. I'm only The Howling over here. I didn't know anyone used that moniker on the ASU board. I have always wished ULL well. And, if you didn't have a bowl in your own backyard, you might be wetting the bed too, what with an injured QB and all.

(12-01-2013 09:23 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  Heard from an Ibowl rep that Benson wanted the Cajuns to take the Ibowl so two other belt teams would go to bowls also. The Cajuns decided to not take the Ibowl and went ahead with the NObowl. The Cajuns are only looking out for themselves and do not care about the conference. It wouldn't hurt the Cajuns to drive a few miles North to help out the rest of the conference.

That proves nothing.

I am still holding out hope the Independence bowl will take Ark. St. That appears to be the only way 3 SBC teams go bowling.

(12-01-2013 03:24 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I am still holding out hope the Independence bowl will take Ark. St. That appears to be the only way 3 SBC teams go bowling.

The I- bowl is the only hope for a third sun belt. Mainly because of location to several schools. Astate would have a good showing there and I doubt we get consideration for anything but we proved last year we would show up even in terrible weather for the I bowl.

(12-01-2013 02:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 12:27 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 11:40 AM)The Howling Wrote:  I've enjoyed coming to this forum because of the comraderie (sp?) with other fans of SBC teams, but I had no idea ASU was so hated in the SBC.....ULL fans congratulating WKU, fans of CUSA schools who were former SBC who are in good shape for a bowl enjoying our screw job, when you were in no better shape than ASU to be picked by CUSA. It's time for ASU to leave this screwed up conference some way, somehow, and not to CUSA either. Benson couldn't believe it when he was booed by our fans last year. I know no other conference wants us either, but anything would be better than being under a de-commissioner that allows our leading bowl tie in to have a preferential school every year, and would allow a departing member to be picked for the other. If Troy gets picked for GoDaddy, then they deserve it, they're a darn good team, a staying member, and one of the backbone schools of the conference. I wish them well. But not any school that bolts for not-so-greener pastures. Find a way to get us out, Mohajir, and let's leave this stinking conference that would screw one of its leading members. I hope App. State and Ga. southern know what they got themselves into.

I'm shocked by the board, some of our fans, some of WKU fans, and the fact there are some pathetic MTSU fans over here gloating over this ongoing fiasco.

FWIW...I found out from the CUSA board (specifically Toppersontop), that our fans were hunting down WKU fans after the game, looking for fights. I was late getting out with my elderly parents, and I saw nothing remotely of that sort.

Also, our team took "multiple" cheap shots on their team. Yeah....I have a few pics to share at a later date. It doesn't quite match up to his take of it.

As for leaving the conference....nah.....I like it here. We have 2 of the best 1-AA schools out there joining us, and I can't wait to watch them develop.

I left when the clock hit 00:00 and I was sure no flags were on the field. I usually stick around for a few minutes but last night we had a basketball game 1.5 hours after the football game ended. So we left to get something to eat. So I don't have a clue on what did or didn't take place after the game.

The ASU fans I talked to during the game were like most fans of every school that travel to see their team play... good diehard fans. ASU had a good amount of fans at this game...about what we brought to ASU last year. Western had more at Jonesboro...we took our band but "fans" looked to be about the same.

As far as "cheap shots" I saw a few by your offensive line on a number of plays. That's part of the game...or maybe I should say part of the emotion that goes with big bodies hitting each other (troy freaking st is the only "true" dirty team I saw in the SBC). I'm sure you have some great pictures but that's exactly what they are...pictures. A picture shows nothing but the moment it was captured. So it can not "show a cheap shot" no matter why you captured at that moment.

At what point was our fans fighting your fans? I truly missed out on that, and I stayed with our group for most of the time leaving.

True....still pics can't show cheap shots...but I can show you as many holding shots as you can imagine, to back up our claims of uncalled penalties.

But it's all pointless now. On to the next bowl or next season.

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around how pointing out that WKU....

1) Is still a Belt member in good standing
2) Posted a better overall record than stAte
3) Beat stAte on the football field

represents "supporting" them as it relates to their bowl eligibility and a possible GoDaddy invite. If the shoe was on the other foot, stAte's foot, I'd say the same. I started a thread asking if last night's game might have shifted things in WKU's favor, and based on the reaction of many stAte fans, it would appear so.

This silly co-championship crap of the Belt is Mickey Mouse (apologies to Mickey). The conference would do well to come up with a system that decides a champion each year as well as 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. It's not rocket science and most real conferences do it.

And finally, has stAte been denied a bowl bid this year? No? Then what's all the fuss about?

(12-01-2013 05:02 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  I'm still trying to wrap my brain around how pointing out that WKU....

1) Is still a Belt member in good standing
2) Posted a better overall record than stAte
3) Beat stAte on the football field

represents "supporting" them as it relates to their bowl eligibility and a possible GoDaddy invite. If the shoe was on the other foot, stAte's foot, I'd say the same. I started a thread asking if last night's game might have shifted things in WKU's favor, and based on the reaction of many stAte fans, it would appear so.

This silly co-championship crap of the Belt is Mickey Mouse (apologies to Mickey). The conference would do well to come up with a system that decides a champion each year as well as 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. It's not rocket science and most real conferences do it.

And finally, has stAte been denied a bowl bid this year? No? Then what's all the fuss about?

I'm not sure how I can explain it any clearer to UL fans. WKU is leaving for another conference, it benefits no one remaining in the conference to see them jump over other teams in the SBC standings who will be remaining in the Sun Belt.

The GoDaddy Bowl, an SBC tie-in, would spend several hours talking about Conference USA and Petrino/WKU's future in it. If they mentioned the SBC it would primarily be about WKU "moving up".

If you guys can't understand why your own conference's officials should be fighting to make sure that a team with an SBC future is being highlighted instead of one highlighting Conference USA then I have no idea what can be said to get through to you because you don't understand where your own interests lie.

If Benson is spending any time getting WKU placed over one of us then he is far dumber than I imagined.

(12-01-2013 03:24 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I am still holding out hope the Independence bowl will take Ark. St. That appears to be the only way 3 SBC teams go bowling.

I think stAte is being considered. Who from the ACC is going to bring a crowd? Pitt, Georgia Tech or B.C.? Not likely. Even fewer from an average Pac 12. You think Oregon St or Wash St is going to send a strong fan base to Shreveport? stAte will easily send over 10k and also give the bowl a local team to support.

(12-01-2013 05:30 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 05:02 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  I'm still trying to wrap my brain around how pointing out that WKU....

1) Is still a Belt member in good standing
2) Posted a better overall record than stAte
3) Beat stAte on the football field

represents "supporting" them as it relates to their bowl eligibility and a possible GoDaddy invite. If the shoe was on the other foot, stAte's foot, I'd say the same. I started a thread asking if last night's game might have shifted things in WKU's favor, and based on the reaction of many stAte fans, it would appear so.

This silly co-championship crap of the Belt is Mickey Mouse (apologies to Mickey). The conference would do well to come up with a system that decides a champion each year as well as 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. It's not rocket science and most real conferences do it.

And finally, has stAte been denied a bowl bid this year? No? Then what's all the fuss about?

I'm not sure how I can explain it any clearer to UL fans. WKU is leaving for another conference, it benefits no one remaining in the conference to see them jump over other teams in the SBC standings who will be remaining in the Sun Belt.

The GoDaddy Bowl, an SBC tie-in, would spend several hours talking about Conference USA and Petrino/WKU's future in it. If they mentioned the SBC it would primarily be about WKU "moving up".

If you guys can't understand why your own conference's officials should be fighting to make sure that a team with an SBC future is being highlighted instead of one highlighting Conference USA then I have no idea what can be said to get through to you because you don't understand where your own interests lie.

If Benson is spending any time getting WKU placed over one of us then he is far dumber than I imagined.

It's you guys who are missing the point. Benson can put a pistol to someone's head at GoDaddy Towers but at the end of the day they run/own the friggin bowl (along with ESPN) from what I understand and will decide who plays in their bowl.

All I've pointed out is that when bowl officials decide who they're going to select, WKU looks about as attractive as any other SUN BELT MEMBER. That's not me wishing they select WKU, it's just an observation.

(12-01-2013 01:46 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 12:18 PM)slappycajun Wrote:  Can someone please tell me how and when we turned down the New Orleans bowl, and how that screws stAte.

And, if the I-Bowl was willing to take the Cajuns, why aren't they willing to take stAte?

I've had multiple sources tied to both ULL and ASU tell me the same story. When Florida lost last week, the Independence Bowl was released by the SEC contingent on a 2nd BCS team being placed. Latest BCS Standings showed 3 SEC Teams in the top 5...and games against each other ensured that at least two would stay there.

When that happened, The Independence Bowl called ULL to tell the Cajuns they were the front runner, and to check interest. Hudspeth wanted to play in the Independence Bowl, but Farmer went with the wishes of a good portion of the Cajun fan base and withdrew their name from I Bowl consideration.

When that happened, the sponsporship for the bowl decided on picking up an open PAC 12 team if one is available for better TV ratings. The bowl would have taken ULL over TV ratings because of the crazy high ticket sales potential...but that same guarantee does not exist for ASU.

I few things to point out:
1. No proof that Advocare 100 offered UL anything, especially after
losing to ULM.
2. No evidence of UL fans supporting WKU to GoDaddy over ASU,
3. Quote from you: "The bowl would have taken ULL over TV ratings
because of crazy high ticket sales potential.... but that same
guarantee does not exist for ASU."
4. UL to Shreveport 3.5 hours, ASU to Shreveport 5.5 hours. So,
there will be a drastic drop off in ticket sales because of an
additional 2 hours of driving time? This shows a lack of fan
support or willingness to travel. UL has proven that they will
travel. You will most likely see a strong contention in Mobile
Saturday. I made my reservations weeks ago.
5. Newsflash: UL is not located in New Orleans. It's a 2.5 hour drive
from Lafayette. Shreveport is 3.5 hours. The distance has nothing
to do with our willingness to go to either bowl.
6. UL is most likely in New Orleans because that is the best offer that
we had. We would love to have more options but we all know that
the SBC is weak in negotiating bowl tie-ins. The only way to get
a better bowl under current conditions is to perform better on the
field and to establish a strong track record in ticket sales. We are
improving on the field and have proven that we will travel.
7. If ASU does go to bowl, please send us a thank you note for the
hundreds of thousands that we will send you to help with
expenses. We could have used that money to keep our coach.

Well we do not know the truth here. One thing is certain, UL will do what is best for UL. Benson has been a friend of nobody in this league except MOANROW.

Let's say the at the Indy did have a binding offer. Might it not include as good a financial package as the NOLA Bowl? Last I checked it is not UL's responsibility to lose money for ASU, or any other team. Maybe all the decent tickets as MoanROW found out last year are owned by the local corporate sponsors. UL needs half a domed stadium not a quarter of the run down indy stadium.

Hud runs things not Farmer, unless the money difference was so extravagant as to not be reasonable for us to ignore. Last year I recall ASU starting this nonsense about what UL should do in bowl games well before the season ended. It is not OUR responsibility to make your life better, I do hope the best for ASU but not at the expense of UL.

Let's think about this for a minute after we netted only $40,000 after last year's game.

We accept invite to I-Bowl. We make a lot of money because we sell our tickets. Two other SBC schools get bids and sell some tickets, but generally lose money on their trip. We fork over our profit to offset those losses and probably net $40,000 again.

OR

We accept New Orleans Bowl. Someone goes to godaddy and probably has a loss. We fork over SOME of our huge profit and get to split the rest with the other SBC team.

We come out with more revenue under option 2.

If you wanted a New Orleans Bowl bid, you should have won the conference. We owe nothing to other schools.

We won a conference championship (shared, outright, doesn't matter). We accepted a bid to play in the bowl game that generates us the most revenue.

And yes, I was pulling for WKU yesterday. Why you ask? Because of it's implications in us winning a conference championship. Your damn right I'm being selfish. It's no different than stAte fans that would have pulled for ULM had they beaten WKU last night.

(12-01-2013 06:17 PM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  Let's think about this for a minute after we netted only $40,000 after last year's game.

We accept invite to I-Bowl. We make a lot of money because we sell our tickets. Two other SBC schools get bids and sell some tickets, but generally lose money on their trip. We fork over our profit to offset those losses and probably net $40,000 again.

OR

We accept New Orleans Bowl. Someone goes to godaddy and probably has a loss. We fork over SOME of our huge profit and get to split the rest with the other SBC team.

We come out with more revenue under option 2.

If you wanted a New Orleans Bowl bid, you should have won the conference. We owe nothing to other schools.

We won a conference championship (shared, outright, doesn't matter). We accepted a bid to play in the bowl game that generates us the most revenue.

And yes, I was pulling for WKU yesterday. Why you ask? Because of it's implications in us winning a conference championship. Your damn right I'm being selfish. It's no different than stAte fans that would have pulled for ULM had they beaten WKU last night.

They were pulling for ULM last night, that is understandable. Cajun fans owe them no appology for pulling for WKU. Its okay for fans to pull for their program's best interest.

(12-01-2013 06:17 PM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  Let's think about this for a minute after we netted only $40,000 after last year's game.

We accept invite to I-Bowl. We make a lot of money because we sell our tickets. Two other SBC schools get bids and sell some tickets, but generally lose money on their trip. We fork over our profit to offset those losses and probably net $40,000 again.

OR

We accept New Orleans Bowl. Someone goes to godaddy and probably has a loss. We fork over SOME of our huge profit and get to split the rest with the other SBC team.

We come out with more revenue under option 2.

If you wanted a New Orleans Bowl bid, you should have won the conference. We owe nothing to other schools.

We won a conference championship (shared, outright, doesn't matter). We accepted a bid to play in the bowl game that generates us the most revenue.

And yes, I was pulling for WKU yesterday. Why you ask? Because of it's implications in us winning a conference championship. Your damn right I'm being selfish. It's no different than stAte fans that would have pulled for ULM had they beaten WKU last night.

Very good point. The difference could be a few hundred thousand dollars. Again, money that can be used to keep our coaching staff.

(12-01-2013 06:20 PM)WErLOUISIANA Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 06:17 PM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  Let's think about this for a minute after we netted only $40,000 after last year's game.

We accept invite to I-Bowl. We make a lot of money because we sell our tickets. Two other SBC schools get bids and sell some tickets, but generally lose money on their trip. We fork over our profit to offset those losses and probably net $40,000 again.

OR

We accept New Orleans Bowl. Someone goes to godaddy and probably has a loss. We fork over SOME of our huge profit and get to split the rest with the other SBC team.

We come out with more revenue under option 2.

If you wanted a New Orleans Bowl bid, you should have won the conference. We owe nothing to other schools.

We won a conference championship (shared, outright, doesn't matter). We accepted a bid to play in the bowl game that generates us the most revenue.

And yes, I was pulling for WKU yesterday. Why you ask? Because of it's implications in us winning a conference championship. Your damn right I'm being selfish. It's no different than stAte fans that would have pulled for ULM had they beaten WKU last night.

Very good point. The difference could be a few hundred thousand dollars. Again, money that can be used to keep our coaching staff.

Unless its the BCS bowl games are just a business. The NOB has a chance to get two in-state school which will sell lots of tickets. The Cajuns and Greenwaves will fill the hotels making the NOB more money. The city is happy with all the patrons that will visit win, win situation.

Like a wise ASU fan said if they had a chance to go to GDB and help out the Cajuns or go to the Liberty bowl they would chose the liberty bowl. I agree with that assessment you have to do what's best for your program, supporters and fans. I know everyone talks a lot of smack but I do respect and support all SBC teams even those that on the way out because you never know when or if you may be conference mates again.

(12-01-2013 06:20 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  They were pulling for ULM last night, that is understandable. Cajun fans owe them no appology for pulling for WKU. Its okay for fans to pull for their program's best interest.

Yep. UL doesn't have to justify their reasoning. They get invited to bowls, they accept the one that best meets their own interests as they see them.

If we have an issue it is with the conference bowl selection/placement rules and not with what UL chooses to do within those rules. We would do no differently.

Hope you lose to USA and utterly destroy Tulane.

(12-01-2013 06:32 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  [quote='CrazyCajun' pid='10103949' dateline='1385940035']


They were pulling for ULM last night, that is understandable. Cajun fans owe them no appology for pulling for WKU. Its okay for fans to pull for their program's best interest.

Yep. UL doesn't have to justify their reasoning. They get invited to bowls, they accept the one that best meets their own interests as they see them.

If we have an issue it is with the conference bowl selection/placement rules and not with what UL chooses to do within those rules. We would do no differently.

Hope you lose to USA and utterly destroy Tulane.
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Well red-shirt freshman QB making his first start in a hostile environment coming off a loss anything can happen.

(12-01-2013 06:32 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 06:20 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  They were pulling for ULM last night, that is understandable. Cajun fans owe them no appology for pulling for WKU. Its okay for fans to pull for their program's best interest.

Yep. UL doesn't have to justify their reasoning. They get invited to bowls, they accept the one that best meets their own interests as they see them.

If we have an issue it is with the conference bowl selection/placement rules and not with what UL chooses to do within those rules. We would do no differently.

Hope you lose to USA and utterly destroy Tulane.

LOL!!! Well I hope you are wrong on the first....but I know USA will be licking their chops with UL starting a RS freshman at QB.