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RE: SBC Bowls Bylaw
(12-01-2013 02:09 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote: (12-01-2013 02:07 PM)ark30inf Wrote: (12-01-2013 02:05 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote: (12-01-2013 01:40 PM)ark30inf Wrote: (12-01-2013 01:30 PM)WKUYG Wrote: it would almost be worth sitting home (hey I will be on the gulf anyways) and seeing the meltdown take place if USA wins and the Go Daddy took the "home team"
With the bylaw, they can't take USA whether they lose or win. Troy would be a different matter.
Why would taking Troy be a different matter than taking USA? A USA win over ULL would leave both Troy and USA with identical 6-6 overall and 4-3 conference records. Troy is not part of the co-champion discussion.
If USA wins the game Arkansas State would be co-champions and the by law would require GoDaddy to take Arkansas State. USA is out of the GoDaddy Bowl picture unless they win AND this bylaw is ignored.
I see. I didn't catch your leap that Troy would be different matter if USA loses. The way you wrote it I thought you meant Troy would be different matter in case of a USA win or loss.
Yeah, it's weird. This needs to be worked on as a conference, and soon. There is no way this is ever going to be completely fair. But it can be better than it is now.
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RE: SBC Bowls Bylaw
I see ASU fans LOVE bylaws when they think it's to their advantage...I would also. But not too many months age, maybe 6 to 8 weeks we had a topic on this forum about bowls taking the team that will make them the most money...
anyone remember that (chiefsfan, Arkstfan)?
I do and it went something like this....
WKUYG: Well I hope the rest of the SBC conference enjoys sitting at home without a bowl game even if they deserve it more because a 6-6 ULL team will get the NO Bowl, a 6-6 ASU team will get the Little Rock bowl and a 6-6 Troy/USA will get the Godaddy bowl over more deserving SBC schools.
I seem to recall something like the following....
Well bowls aren't there for the conference they are there to make money and if ASU can make them more money then a 6-6 ASU should get the invite. It's not about where you finish (other than the champ) it's about the money these bowls can make.
It's funny how a short few weeks and walking in the shoes of "the other" team can change opinions.
The bylaw is not enforceable because of the possibility 3 schools (not this year) could end the season with the same conference record and one would still be left without a bowl game...
it's flawed in it's own words
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RE: SBC Bowls Bylaw
(12-01-2013 02:47 PM)WKUYG Wrote: I see ASU fans LOVE bylaws when they think it's to their advantage...I would also. But not too many months age, maybe 6 to 8 weeks we had a topic on this forum about bowls taking the team that will make them the most money...
anyone remember that (chiefsfan, Arkstfan)?
I do and it went something like this....
WKUYG: Well I hope the rest of the SBC conference enjoys sitting at home without a bowl game even if they deserve it more because a 6-6 ULL team will get the NO Bowl, a 6-6 ASU team will get the Little Rock bowl and a 6-6 Troy/USA will get the Godaddy bowl over more deserving SBC schools.
I seem to recall something like the following....
Well bowls aren't there for the conference they are there to make money and if ASU can make them more money then a 6-6 ASU should get the invite. It's not about where you finish (other than the champ) it's about the money these bowls can make.
It's funny how a short few weeks and walking in the shoes of "the other" team can change opinions.
The bylaw is not enforceable because of the possibility 3 schools (not this year) could end the season with the same conference record and one would still be left without a bowl game...
it's flawed in it's own words
If you stop and think about it...the change makes sense. Otherwise Idaho and NMSU would basically never make a bowl.
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RE: SBC Bowls Bylaw
(12-01-2013 02:47 PM)WKUYG Wrote: I see ASU fans LOVE bylaws when they think it's to their advantage...I would also. But not too many months age, maybe 6 to 8 weeks we had a topic on this forum about bowls taking the team that will make them the most money...
anyone remember that (chiefsfan, Arkstfan)?
I do and it went something like this....
WKUYG: Well I hope the rest of the SBC conference enjoys sitting at home without a bowl game even if they deserve it more because a 6-6 ULL team will get the NO Bowl, a 6-6 ASU team will get the Little Rock bowl and a 6-6 Troy/USA will get the Godaddy bowl over more deserving SBC schools.
I seem to recall something like the following....
Well bowls aren't there for the conference they are there to make money and if ASU can make them more money then a 6-6 ASU should get the invite. It's not about where you finish (other than the champ) it's about the money these bowls can make.
It's funny how a short few weeks and walking in the shoes of "the other" team can change opinions.
The bylaw is not enforceable because of the possibility 3 schools (not this year) could end the season with the same conference record and one would still be left without a bowl game...
it's flawed in it's own words
My primary complaint has been the idea of a defector school jumping rankings to take a conference affiliated bowl slot of a non-temp member.
If Troy jumps us, that will be a geography/money issue for the bowl but it will be within our own conference.
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RE: SBC Bowls Bylaw
(12-01-2013 02:47 PM)WKUYG Wrote: I see ASU fans LOVE bylaws when they think it's to their advantage...I would also. But not too many months age, maybe 6 to 8 weeks we had a topic on this forum about bowls taking the team that will make them the most money...
anyone remember that (chiefsfan, Arkstfan)?
I do and it went something like this....
WKUYG: Well I hope the rest of the SBC conference enjoys sitting at home without a bowl game even if they deserve it more because a 6-6 ULL team will get the NO Bowl, a 6-6 ASU team will get the Little Rock bowl and a 6-6 Troy/USA will get the Godaddy bowl over more deserving SBC schools.
I seem to recall something like the following....
Well bowls aren't there for the conference they are there to make money and if ASU can make them more money then a 6-6 ASU should get the invite. It's not about where you finish (other than the champ) it's about the money these bowls can make.
It's funny how a short few weeks and walking in the shoes of "the other" team can change opinions.
The bylaw is not enforceable because of the possibility 3 schools (not this year) could end the season with the same conference record and one would still be left without a bowl game...
it's flawed in it's own words
A few weeks ago, I wasn't aware the Sun Belt had changed its rules. I thought up until I saw it in black and white that GoDaddy would be free to do what they want if they took the Cajuns.
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RE: SBC Bowls Bylaw
(12-01-2013 03:25 PM)ark30inf Wrote: (12-01-2013 02:47 PM)WKUYG Wrote: I see ASU fans LOVE bylaws when they think it's to their advantage...I would also. But not too many months age, maybe 6 to 8 weeks we had a topic on this forum about bowls taking the team that will make them the most money...
anyone remember that (chiefsfan, Arkstfan)?
I do and it went something like this....
WKUYG: Well I hope the rest of the SBC conference enjoys sitting at home without a bowl game even if they deserve it more because a 6-6 ULL team will get the NO Bowl, a 6-6 ASU team will get the Little Rock bowl and a 6-6 Troy/USA will get the Godaddy bowl over more deserving SBC schools.
I seem to recall something like the following....
Well bowls aren't there for the conference they are there to make money and if ASU can make them more money then a 6-6 ASU should get the invite. It's not about where you finish (other than the champ) it's about the money these bowls can make.
It's funny how a short few weeks and walking in the shoes of "the other" team can change opinions.
The bylaw is not enforceable because of the possibility 3 schools (not this year) could end the season with the same conference record and one would still be left without a bowl game...
it's flawed in it's own words
My primary complaint has been the idea of a defector school jumping rankings to take a conference affiliated bowl slot of a non-temp member.
If Troy jumps us, that will be a geography/money issue for the bowl but it will be within our own conference.
I don't fully buy into the "if someone has to take a bullet, let it be a defector" mindset.
Personally if I'm in Benson's shoes though I'm trying to get AState someplace else and pimping Texas State hard to Mobile.
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RE: SBC Bowls Bylaw
(12-01-2013 03:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote: I don't fully buy into the "if someone has to take a bullet, let it be a defector" mindset.
If WKU was #2 and ASU was #4 in our conference standings then the argument about defector status becomes less of an issue. But that is not the case here. The question is, should a defector jump OVER next year's member in good standing? I don't see where it does this conference or any of its members any good whatsoever to have WKU jump over them in the standings.
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RE: SBC Bowls Bylaw
(12-01-2013 03:55 PM)ark30inf Wrote: (12-01-2013 03:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote: I don't fully buy into the "if someone has to take a bullet, let it be a defector" mindset.
If WKU was #2 and ASU was #4 in our conference standings then the argument about defector status becomes less of an issue. But that is not the case here. The question is, should a defector jump OVER next year's member in good standing? I don't see where it does this conference or any of its members any good whatsoever to have WKU jump over them in the standings.
WKU may be a defector but WKU has honored all the Sun Belts wishes throughout this process and have been a long time member that has always been a cash cow for the Sun Belt. I do not see the Sun Belt standing in the way of a bowl choosing WKU if that bowl wanted WKU out of respect for WKU what has done for this conference.
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RE: SBC Bowls Bylaw
(12-01-2013 04:03 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote: (12-01-2013 03:55 PM)ark30inf Wrote: (12-01-2013 03:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote: I don't fully buy into the "if someone has to take a bullet, let it be a defector" mindset.
If WKU was #2 and ASU was #4 in our conference standings then the argument about defector status becomes less of an issue. But that is not the case here. The question is, should a defector jump OVER next year's member in good standing? I don't see where it does this conference or any of its members any good whatsoever to have WKU jump over them in the standings.
WKU may be a defector but WKU has honored all the Sun Belts wishes throughout this process and have been a long time member that has always been a cash cow for the Sun Belt. I do not see the Sun Belt standing in the way of a bowl choosing WKU if that bowl wanted WKU out of respect for WKU has done for this conference.
My ex-wife did some nice stuff for me in the past. That didn't mean I was going to encourage her to use my house for parties just because the divorce wasn't final.
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RE: SBC Bowls Bylaw
(12-01-2013 03:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote: (12-01-2013 03:25 PM)ark30inf Wrote: (12-01-2013 02:47 PM)WKUYG Wrote: I see ASU fans LOVE bylaws when they think it's to their advantage...I would also. But not too many months age, maybe 6 to 8 weeks we had a topic on this forum about bowls taking the team that will make them the most money...
anyone remember that (chiefsfan, Arkstfan)?
I do and it went something like this....
WKUYG: Well I hope the rest of the SBC conference enjoys sitting at home without a bowl game even if they deserve it more because a 6-6 ULL team will get the NO Bowl, a 6-6 ASU team will get the Little Rock bowl and a 6-6 Troy/USA will get the Godaddy bowl over more deserving SBC schools.
I seem to recall something like the following....
Well bowls aren't there for the conference they are there to make money and if ASU can make them more money then a 6-6 ASU should get the invite. It's not about where you finish (other than the champ) it's about the money these bowls can make.
It's funny how a short few weeks and walking in the shoes of "the other" team can change opinions.
The bylaw is not enforceable because of the possibility 3 schools (not this year) could end the season with the same conference record and one would still be left without a bowl game...
it's flawed in it's own words
My primary complaint has been the idea of a defector school jumping rankings to take a conference affiliated bowl slot of a non-temp member.
If Troy jumps us, that will be a geography/money issue for the bowl but it will be within our own conference.
I don't fully buy into the "if someone has to take a bullet, let it be a defector" mindset.
Personally if I'm in Benson's shoes though I'm trying to get AState someplace else and pimping Texas State hard to Mobile.
And that is the major question, is Benson working the phones? I would think AState would be attractive to the Go Daddy and Indy Bowls considering the number of bowl tickets sold the past two years. I don't see ULM would be considered over AState for the Indy Bowl based upon tickets sold for a bowl game 8 hours away from Jonesboro.
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RE: SBC Bowls Bylaw
(12-01-2013 04:09 PM)ark30inf Wrote: (12-01-2013 04:03 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote: (12-01-2013 03:55 PM)ark30inf Wrote: (12-01-2013 03:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote: I don't fully buy into the "if someone has to take a bullet, let it be a defector" mindset.
If WKU was #2 and ASU was #4 in our conference standings then the argument about defector status becomes less of an issue. But that is not the case here. The question is, should a defector jump OVER next year's member in good standing? I don't see where it does this conference or any of its members any good whatsoever to have WKU jump over them in the standings.
WKU may be a defector but WKU has honored all the Sun Belts wishes throughout this process and have been a long time member that has always been a cash cow for the Sun Belt. I do not see the Sun Belt standing in the way of a bowl choosing WKU if that bowl wanted WKU out of respect for WKU has done for this conference.
My ex-wife did some nice stuff for me in the past. That didn't mean I was going to encourage her to use my house for parties just because the divorce wasn't final.
It sounds like you have some serious issues with your ex wife
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RE: SBC Bowls Bylaw
(12-01-2013 04:12 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote: And that is the major question, is Benson working the phones?
We'll see. But the fact that they password protected the conference bylaws doesn't give me a lot of confidence.
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12-01-2013 04:15 PM |
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RE: SBC Bowls Bylaw
(12-01-2013 04:14 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote: (12-01-2013 04:09 PM)ark30inf Wrote: (12-01-2013 04:03 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote: (12-01-2013 03:55 PM)ark30inf Wrote: (12-01-2013 03:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote: I don't fully buy into the "if someone has to take a bullet, let it be a defector" mindset.
If WKU was #2 and ASU was #4 in our conference standings then the argument about defector status becomes less of an issue. But that is not the case here. The question is, should a defector jump OVER next year's member in good standing? I don't see where it does this conference or any of its members any good whatsoever to have WKU jump over them in the standings.
WKU may be a defector but WKU has honored all the Sun Belts wishes throughout this process and have been a long time member that has always been a cash cow for the Sun Belt. I do not see the Sun Belt standing in the way of a bowl choosing WKU if that bowl wanted WKU out of respect for WKU has done for this conference.
My ex-wife did some nice stuff for me in the past. That didn't mean I was going to encourage her to use my house for parties just because the divorce wasn't final.
It sounds like you have some serious issues with your ex wife
She went to another conference with bigger bowl games.
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RE: SBC Bowls Bylaw
(12-01-2013 04:09 PM)ark30inf Wrote: (12-01-2013 04:03 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote: (12-01-2013 03:55 PM)ark30inf Wrote: (12-01-2013 03:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote: I don't fully buy into the "if someone has to take a bullet, let it be a defector" mindset.
If WKU was #2 and ASU was #4 in our conference standings then the argument about defector status becomes less of an issue. But that is not the case here. The question is, should a defector jump OVER next year's member in good standing? I don't see where it does this conference or any of its members any good whatsoever to have WKU jump over them in the standings.
WKU may be a defector but WKU has honored all the Sun Belts wishes throughout this process and have been a long time member that has always been a cash cow for the Sun Belt. I do not see the Sun Belt standing in the way of a bowl choosing WKU if that bowl wanted WKU out of respect for WKU has done for this conference.
My ex-wife did some nice stuff for me in the past. That didn't mean I was going to encourage her to use my house for parties just because the divorce wasn't final.
You see even your arguments are flawed....
you keep using the word "your" when in fact it should be "our house" and in most states there really isn't much you could do if she chose to throw the party. Just because she chose someone else to be a partner doesn't give you the right to take and keep something that she's entitled to just because your heart is broken.
So long story short....
it's not all about "you"
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RE: SBC Bowls Bylaw
(12-01-2013 04:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote: (12-01-2013 04:09 PM)ark30inf Wrote: (12-01-2013 04:03 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote: (12-01-2013 03:55 PM)ark30inf Wrote: (12-01-2013 03:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote: I don't fully buy into the "if someone has to take a bullet, let it be a defector" mindset.
If WKU was #2 and ASU was #4 in our conference standings then the argument about defector status becomes less of an issue. But that is not the case here. The question is, should a defector jump OVER next year's member in good standing? I don't see where it does this conference or any of its members any good whatsoever to have WKU jump over them in the standings.
WKU may be a defector but WKU has honored all the Sun Belts wishes throughout this process and have been a long time member that has always been a cash cow for the Sun Belt. I do not see the Sun Belt standing in the way of a bowl choosing WKU if that bowl wanted WKU out of respect for WKU has done for this conference.
My ex-wife did some nice stuff for me in the past. That didn't mean I was going to encourage her to use my house for parties just because the divorce wasn't final.
You see even your arguments are flawed....
you keep using the word "your" when in fact it should be "our house" and in most states there really isn't much you could do if she chose to throw the party. Just because she chose someone else to be a partner doesn't give you the right to take and keep something that she's entitled to just because your heart is broken.
So long story short....
it's not all about "you"
Sorry lady, as far as I'm concerned you get the minimum required by the conference rules. Nobody in the Belt should be giving you any parting gifts or working the phones to get you a date.
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RE: SBC Bowls Bylaw
(12-01-2013 04:15 PM)ark30inf Wrote: (12-01-2013 04:12 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote: And that is the major question, is Benson working the phones?
We'll see. But the fact that they password protected the conference bylaws doesn't give me a lot of confidence.
That is a shady move!!
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