(12-01-2013 08:28 PM)bp10 Wrote:  The best replay of the catch on 4th down was in the stadium. It looked like he may have been out of bounds and I was convinced of it from that angle. However, the officials may not have had that angle and the espn shots definitely didn't have enough to overturn the call. They did announce the call stands, not it was confirmed.

I would like to see the replay of the late hit from the espn camera in the end zone. They were about to show the replay and then cut away because WKU was running another play.

First congratulations to UL (sorry to hear your QB got hurt) and WKU for doing what I said no SBC team would do this year....beat ASU.

I watched the very end of the game on ESPN3 and simply could not see what happened. ASU players were celebrating the win, as the announcer was saying something about another mental error or something. Then I hear the penalty being announced. Wish there were better angles, or something so we could all see.

Went to the ASU site but they have gone off the deep end.

Bottom line bad luck for ASU, good luck for WKU.

That game and the Alabama/Auburn game were great games to watch.

(12-01-2013 08:16 PM)TXSTRiverBobcat Wrote:  What I noticed was that the first 4th down conversion on the sideline was probably the right call. It was close but the official had the best angle, even better than any of the cameras. The block below the waste penalty was also the correct call. So was the pass interference penalty in the end zone. The only thing I saw was the hit out of bounds personal foul. That was definitely not a penalty and should not have been called. The defender was already hitting him while he was still in bounds and didn't follow through with the hit. That call was the only one that ASU has a right to be mad at in that final drive.

Now with that said, that one call ends the game if it is called correctly. So that's a big reason the be pissed if you're ASU.

The block below the waist was wrong... he made contact with the defenders arm first, which is not below the waist. The majority of the hit was to the midsection.

There is no way you can say the defender was already hitting the QB in bounds. You can clearly see on the play that the QB had stepped out of bounds before the defender extended his arms. The replay shuts off before the hit, so only the live play shows it.

(12-01-2013 09:03 PM)Hilltop1215 Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 08:16 PM)TXSTRiverBobcat Wrote:  What I noticed was that the first 4th down conversion on the sideline was probably the right call. It was close but the official had the best angle, even better than any of the cameras. The block below the waste penalty was also the correct call. So was the pass interference penalty in the end zone. The only thing I saw was the hit out of bounds personal foul. That was definitely not a penalty and should not have been called. The defender was already hitting him while he was still in bounds and didn't follow through with the hit. That call was the only one that ASU has a right to be mad at in that final drive.

Now with that said, that one call ends the game if it is called correctly. So that's a big reason the be pissed if you're ASU.

The block below the waist was wrong... he made contact with the defenders arm first, which is not below the waist. The majority of the hit was to the midsection.

There is no way you can say the defender was already hitting the QB in bounds. You can clearly see on the play that the QB had stepped out of bounds before the defender extended his arms. The replay shuts off before the hit, so only the live play shows it.

Was the block below the waist ENOUGH for officials to intervene and jack with the outcome of the game? I don't think so.

It's not the call that is the problem. It is the fact that Sun Belt officials sometimes seem determined to be "the show". They also don't always make the call in a way that will let replay help them get it right with the least impact.

No one mentions when we were driving in first half getting ready to put up 28 points and no whistle was blown and ruling it a fumble by our player...Our guy McNeal makes the catch and is stopped clearly and than about 6 seconds later Ark. St. rips the ball away, any other time the whistle would have been blown 3 seconds earlier...It was clear as day on replay.....

I will say the SB has come along way in officiating from a couple of years ago but we have all been screwed by SB refs before at one time or another...

I am still not over the game last season at ULL when Dowling had one foot in bounds for game winning catch and was ruled out and the refs instead of reviewing the last play of the game runs as fast as they can to the locker room...

(12-01-2013 08:32 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 08:16 PM)TXSTRiverBobcat Wrote:  What I noticed was that the first 4th down conversion on the sideline was probably the right call. It was close but the official had the best angle, even better than any of the cameras. The block below the waste penalty was also the correct call. So was the pass interference penalty in the end zone. The only thing I saw was the hit out of bounds personal foul. That was definitely not a penalty and should not have been called. The defender was already hitting him while he was still in bounds and didn't follow through with the hit. That call was the only one that ASU has a right to be mad at in that final drive.

Now with that said, that one call ends the game if it is called correctly. So that's a big reason the be pissed if you're ASU.

Logic and common sense! Agreed. On the last drive it was the one bad call but it was enough.

Everyone looks at the last score but bad calls happened on other scoring drives that was in ASU's favor. ASU's 2nd scoring drive was helped by a bad targeting call that extened the drive and on the play where your other QB got hurt 3 missed easy calls of blocking in the back that let him get out of the pocket....

ASU doesn't score on that drive the game could be over. Who knows but it was just as important as any other score and yes even the last one by Western.

(12-01-2013 09:13 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 09:03 PM)Hilltop1215 Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 08:16 PM)TXSTRiverBobcat Wrote:  What I noticed was that the first 4th down conversion on the sideline was probably the right call. It was close but the official had the best angle, even better than any of the cameras. The block below the waste penalty was also the correct call. So was the pass interference penalty in the end zone. The only thing I saw was the hit out of bounds personal foul. That was definitely not a penalty and should not have been called. The defender was already hitting him while he was still in bounds and didn't follow through with the hit. That call was the only one that ASU has a right to be mad at in that final drive.

Now with that said, that one call ends the game if it is called correctly. So that's a big reason the be pissed if you're ASU.

The block below the waist was wrong... he made contact with the defenders arm first, which is not below the waist. The majority of the hit was to the midsection.

There is no way you can say the defender was already hitting the QB in bounds. You can clearly see on the play that the QB had stepped out of bounds before the defender extended his arms. The replay shuts off before the hit, so only the live play shows it.

Was the block below the waist ENOUGH for officials to intervene and jack with the outcome of the game? I don't think so.

It's not the call that is the problem. It is the fact that Sun Belt officials sometimes seem determined to be "the show". They also don't always make the call in a way that will let replay help them get it right with the least impact.

That call DID jack with the outcome of the game. WKU scored a TD on that play on an amazing catch by the Wide Receiver. If that penalty is correctly not called then all of the whining and moaning by ASU fans wouldn't be happening. WKU scored on the original 4th down play fairly to win the game. The officials made a poor call to possibly change the outcome if the game. You can argue whatever you want after that play, but the fact is WKU won the game fairly on a clean play that was taken away by the officials.

(12-01-2013 09:44 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  No one mentions when we were driving in first half getting ready to put up 28 points and no whistle was blown and ruling it a fumble by our player...Our guy McNeal makes the catch and is stopped clearly and than about 6 seconds later Ark. St. rips the ball away, any other time the whistle would have been blown 3 seconds earlier...It was clear as day on replay.....

I will say the SB has come along way in officiating from a couple of years ago but we have all been screwed by SB refs before at one time or another...

I am still not over the game last season at ULL when Dowling had one foot in bounds for game winning catch and was ruled out and the refs instead of reviewing the last play of the game runs as fast as they can to the locker room...

It is what it is and its over. They always are. But we're really proud of our guys for how they performed after their leader was knocked out and that hasn't been spoiled by the loss.

(12-01-2013 09:49 PM)Hilltopper413 Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 09:13 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 09:03 PM)Hilltop1215 Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 08:16 PM)TXSTRiverBobcat Wrote:  What I noticed was that the first 4th down conversion on the sideline was probably the right call. It was close but the official had the best angle, even better than any of the cameras. The block below the waste penalty was also the correct call. So was the pass interference penalty in the end zone. The only thing I saw was the hit out of bounds personal foul. That was definitely not a penalty and should not have been called. The defender was already hitting him while he was still in bounds and didn't follow through with the hit. That call was the only one that ASU has a right to be mad at in that final drive.

Now with that said, that one call ends the game if it is called correctly. So that's a big reason the be pissed if you're ASU.

The block below the waist was wrong... he made contact with the defenders arm first, which is not below the waist. The majority of the hit was to the midsection.

There is no way you can say the defender was already hitting the QB in bounds. You can clearly see on the play that the QB had stepped out of bounds before the defender extended his arms. The replay shuts off before the hit, so only the live play shows it.

Was the block below the waist ENOUGH for officials to intervene and jack with the outcome of the game? I don't think so.

It's not the call that is the problem. It is the fact that Sun Belt officials sometimes seem determined to be "the show". They also don't always make the call in a way that will let replay help them get it right with the least impact.

That call DID jack with the outcome of the game. WKU scored a TD on that play on an amazing catch by the Wide Receiver. If that penalty is correctly not called then all of the whining and moaning by ASU fans wouldn't be happening. WKU scored on the original 4th down play fairly to win the game. The officials made a poor call to possibly change the outcome if the game. You can argue whatever you want after that play, but the fact is WKU won the game fairly on a clean play that was taken away by the officials.

I think you missed my point.

(12-01-2013 09:50 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 09:44 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  No one mentions when we were driving in first half getting ready to put up 28 points and no whistle was blown and ruling it a fumble by our player...Our guy McNeal makes the catch and is stopped clearly and than about 6 seconds later Ark. St. rips the ball away, any other time the whistle would have been blown 3 seconds earlier...It was clear as day on replay.....

I will say the SB has come along way in officiating from a couple of years ago but we have all been screwed by SB refs before at one time or another...

I am still not over the game last season at ULL when Dowling had one foot in bounds for game winning catch and was ruled out and the refs instead of reviewing the last play of the game runs as fast as they can to the locker room...

It is what it is and its over. They always are. But we're really proud of our guys for how they performed after their leader was knocked out and that hasn't been spoiled by the loss.

The injury was the best thing that could have happen to ASU Saturday...for a chance at a win. Western has been torched 3 times by backup QB's this season when we set a game plan for a different type o0f QB.

I honestly think we win this game very easy if the injury doesn't happen. We were getting pressure and making him make mistakes. The legs of #9 made the difference.

What did Ark. St's coach have to say after the game about the last drive?

(12-01-2013 10:11 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  What did Ark. St's coach have to say after the game about the last drive?

Coach speak, just as he should have.

(12-01-2013 08:28 PM)bp10 Wrote:  The best replay of the catch on 4th down was in the stadium. It looked like he may have been out of bounds and I was convinced of it from that angle. However, the officials may not have had that angle and the espn shots definitely didn't have enough to overturn the call. They did announce the call stands, not it was confirmed.

I would like to see the replay of the late hit from the espn camera in the end zone. They were about to show the replay and then cut away because WKU was running another play.

I thought the replay was suggestive that his feet were out but absolutely was not conclusive.

(12-01-2013 08:28 PM)bp10 Wrote:  I would like to see the replay of the late hit from the espn camera in the end zone. They were about to show the replay and then cut away because WKU was running another play.

ESPN3... they don't have the replay since it got interrupted by the play... But you know need it. You can clearly see on the live play that he was out of bounds before the defender even extended his arms.

Wasn't even a bang bang play QB steps out and the ASU plays pushes him...clear as day and I will upload some video of the chop block, the late hit and the int in maybe an hour

here you go the chop block call the late hit and the interference call...see it better in full screen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buD5zR47n...e=youtu.be

video of the targeting call, the fumble at the end of the half, the face mask that gave us a 1st down, a missed horse collar call on 3rd down that should have gave us a first down and no need for the 4th down pass (in the video), AA's catch and run and his run to set us up with 1st and goal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R49_g5YWD...e=youtu.be

What s the problem all looks legit the only one is the catch but it wasn't clear enough to over turn wow glad we weren't on either side of any of those calls.

(11-30-2013 09:07 PM)HCJag Wrote:  Close call at 2:39 with that pass on the sideline, and another close call with the interference. I didn't see enough evidence to overturn the pass completion...not enough camera angles. I'd bet there was some part of his toe on the line though. On the interference, the defender had his left arm around the receiver. With a ref right there, I'm not surprised he called it.

There was also a costly roughing the passer call. They didn't show a replay on ESPN3.

Looked like a bad call on the chop block. Looked like he hit him in the waist and nowhere near the knees. Maybe he ended up there, but he initiated the contact well above the knees.

That's why Guns is the man.

Can't believe y'all are still picking this game apart.

"The officials sucked all around."

Can we leave it at that?