Does anyone know how bowl revenue is split in the Sun Belt Conference? UL will easily turn a large profit again this year (three years runninig) and will have to split it with the conference. UL sold over 23,000 tickets through the university and another 20,000+ through ticketmaster last year. Is the profit split between all schools or just those who attended bowl games? If stAte is the only other conference team that attends a bowl, I don't see them losing money in Mobile.

Keep in mind that money spent through ticketmaster does not go to ULL. That goes to the bowl game.

Tickets bought through the school go to the school. Any profit after tickets are sold is split amongst other SBC teams, and is used primarily to subsidize longer trips for other league members to save them from losing a ton of money. Its split amongst every league team not named WKU.

(11-29-2013 01:06 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Keep in mind that money spent through ticketmaster does not go to ULL. That goes to the bowl game.

Tickets bought through the school go to the school. Any profit after tickets are sold is split amongst other SBC teams, and is used primarily to subsidize longer trips for other league members to save them from losing a ton of money. Its split amongst every league team not named WKU.

Actually, the university only gets all the money from their orginal allotment of tickets from the bowl. After that, additional revenue from tickets sold thru the university is split between the university and the bowl. At least that's what I heard last year. As you stated, the school gets nothing from ticketmaster sales. Unfortunately, many people buy their tickets from ticketmaster to get the seats that they want.

As Chiefsfan correctly notes, the schools aren't credited with tickets sold any place other than the school's ticket office.

Works like this though.
Whatever the school sells, the school keeps 1/2 and sends the other half to the league. The money sent to the league does not go into general league revenue but a special bowl pool. That pool is used to cover the expenses of the bowl teams. Let's say we get two in UL and WKU.
UL sells $800,000 in tickets and WKU sells $200,000. UL sends $400,000 to the league and WKU sends $100,000 creating a pool of $500,000.
Each school has bowl expenses of $500,000.
WKU is $400,000 short and UL is $100,000 short. WKU would receive $400,000 from the pool, UL $100,000.

Second scenario.
UL again in New Orleans with same sales, AState in Mobile with $350,000 in sales.
UL sends $400,000, AState sends the league $175,000 for a total bowl pool of $575,000.
Again expenses are $500,000 each.
UL receives $100,000 from the pool. AState receives $325,000.
There is now $150,000 left in the pool. UL and AState each receive $75,000.

(11-29-2013 01:13 PM)WErLOUISIANA Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 01:06 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Keep in mind that money spent through ticketmaster does not go to ULL. That goes to the bowl game.

Tickets bought through the school go to the school. Any profit after tickets are sold is split amongst other SBC teams, and is used primarily to subsidize longer trips for other league members to save them from losing a ton of money. Its split amongst every league team not named WKU.

Actually, the university only gets all the money from their orginal allotment of tickets from the bowl. After that, additional revenue from tickets sold thru the university is split between the university and the bowl. At least that's what I heard last year. As you stated, the school gets nothing from ticketmaster sales. Unfortunately, many people buy their tickets from ticketmaster to get the seats that they want.

Yeah, ASU sends out a million announcements each bowl year reminding fans that they are to not purchase tickets through ticket master because we don't make money off ticket master. Thankfully, most listen.

Otherwise, no one turns a profit from bowl games. That goes for the SEC and the SBC. By the time ULL's money is split amongst UALR, UTA, ASU, ULM, Troy, Georgia State, and USA, it comes back in a much smaller amount.

If you turn a small profit on a bowl, you've done a major thing. Connecticut lost two million dollars playing in the Fiesta Bowl a few years ago.

It's not completely true that the school gets nothing from Ticketmaster. If the bowl makes a profit, most will take part of the profit and split between the two teams equally.

(11-29-2013 01:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  As Chiefsfan correctly notes, the schools aren't credited with tickets sold any place other than the school's ticket office.

Works like this though.
Whatever the school sells, the school keeps 1/2 and sends the other half to the league. The money sent to the league does not go into general league revenue but a special bowl pool. That pool is used to cover the expenses of the bowl teams. Let's say we get two in UL and WKU.
UL sells $800,000 in tickets and WKU sells $200,000. UL sends $400,000 to the league and WKU sends $100,000 creating a pool of $500,000.
Each school has bowl expenses of $500,000.
WKU is $400,000 short and UL is $100,000 short. WKU would receive $400,000 from the pool, UL $100,000.

Second scenario.
UL again in New Orleans with same sales, AState in Mobile with $350,000 in sales.
UL sends $400,000, AState sends the league $175,000 for a total bowl pool of $575,000.
Again expenses are $500,000 each.
UL receives $100,000 from the pool. AState receives $325,000.
There is now $150,000 left in the pool. UL and AState each receive $75,000.

Actually, UL sold well over $1M thru the university last year and after splitting the profit with the SBC ended up with only $40,000 or so in profit. Is it a coinsidence that SBC schools were on their own until UL started going to the New Orleans Bowl. Now all the sudden revenue sharing is the thing to do. Year in and year out it's a long shot that any SBC team makes money on a bowl other than UL going to the New Orleans bowl.

(11-29-2013 01:34 PM)WErLOUISIANA Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 01:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  As Chiefsfan correctly notes, the schools aren't credited with tickets sold any place other than the school's ticket office.

Works like this though.
Whatever the school sells, the school keeps 1/2 and sends the other half to the league. The money sent to the league does not go into general league revenue but a special bowl pool. That pool is used to cover the expenses of the bowl teams. Let's say we get two in UL and WKU.
UL sells $800,000 in tickets and WKU sells $200,000. UL sends $400,000 to the league and WKU sends $100,000 creating a pool of $500,000.
Each school has bowl expenses of $500,000.
WKU is $400,000 short and UL is $100,000 short. WKU would receive $400,000 from the pool, UL $100,000.

Second scenario.
UL again in New Orleans with same sales, AState in Mobile with $350,000 in sales.
UL sends $400,000, AState sends the league $175,000 for a total bowl pool of $575,000.
Again expenses are $500,000 each.
UL receives $100,000 from the pool. AState receives $325,000.
There is now $150,000 left in the pool. UL and AState each receive $75,000.

Actually, UL sold well over $1M thru the university last year and after splitting the profit with the SBC ended up with only $40,000 or so in profit. Is it a coinsidence that SBC schools were on their own until UL started going to the New Orleans Bowl. Now all the sudden revenue sharing is the thing to do. Year in and year out it's a long shot that any SBC team makes money on a bowl other than UL going to the New Orleans bowl.

Keep in mind that we were financing 4 bowl teams last year, including a trip to Detroit.

At most, we're financing three this year with no long trips.

(11-29-2013 01:34 PM)WErLOUISIANA Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 01:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  As Chiefsfan correctly notes, the schools aren't credited with tickets sold any place other than the school's ticket office.

Works like this though.
Whatever the school sells, the school keeps 1/2 and sends the other half to the league. The money sent to the league does not go into general league revenue but a special bowl pool. That pool is used to cover the expenses of the bowl teams. Let's say we get two in UL and WKU.
UL sells $800,000 in tickets and WKU sells $200,000. UL sends $400,000 to the league and WKU sends $100,000 creating a pool of $500,000.
Each school has bowl expenses of $500,000.
WKU is $400,000 short and UL is $100,000 short. WKU would receive $400,000 from the pool, UL $100,000.

Second scenario.
UL again in New Orleans with same sales, AState in Mobile with $350,000 in sales.
UL sends $400,000, AState sends the league $175,000 for a total bowl pool of $575,000.
Again expenses are $500,000 each.
UL receives $100,000 from the pool. AState receives $325,000.
There is now $150,000 left in the pool. UL and AState each receive $75,000.

Actually, UL sold well over $1M thru the university last year and after splitting the profit with the SBC ended up with only $40,000 or so in profit. Is it a coinsidence that SBC schools were on their own until UL started going to the New Orleans Bowl. Now all the sudden revenue sharing is the thing to do. Year in and year out it's a long shot that any SBC team makes money on a bowl other than UL going to the New Orleans bowl.

Well it was all a hypothetical explain the process so clarifying the numbers isn't terribly relevant.

The change had ZERO to do with UL making bowls and selling tickets. It was the shift from the commissioner UL hated to the commissioner UL hates that created the change.

Prior leadership figured if you could make a fat profit then schools would worker harder to sell.

(11-29-2013 01:37 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 01:34 PM)WErLOUISIANA Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 01:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  As Chiefsfan correctly notes, the schools aren't credited with tickets sold any place other than the school's ticket office.

Works like this though.
Whatever the school sells, the school keeps 1/2 and sends the other half to the league. The money sent to the league does not go into general league revenue but a special bowl pool. That pool is used to cover the expenses of the bowl teams. Let's say we get two in UL and WKU.
UL sells $800,000 in tickets and WKU sells $200,000. UL sends $400,000 to the league and WKU sends $100,000 creating a pool of $500,000.
Each school has bowl expenses of $500,000.
WKU is $400,000 short and UL is $100,000 short. WKU would receive $400,000 from the pool, UL $100,000.

Second scenario.
UL again in New Orleans with same sales, AState in Mobile with $350,000 in sales.
UL sends $400,000, AState sends the league $175,000 for a total bowl pool of $575,000.
Again expenses are $500,000 each.
UL receives $100,000 from the pool. AState receives $325,000.
There is now $150,000 left in the pool. UL and AState each receive $75,000.

Actually, UL sold well over $1M thru the university last year and after splitting the profit with the SBC ended up with only $40,000 or so in profit. Is it a coinsidence that SBC schools were on their own until UL started going to the New Orleans Bowl. Now all the sudden revenue sharing is the thing to do. Year in and year out it's a long shot that any SBC team makes money on a bowl other than UL going to the New Orleans bowl.

Keep in mind that we were financing 4 bowl teams last year, including a trip to Detroit.

At most, we're financing three this year with no long trips.

Very true.

If for example AState goes Shreveport, UL to New Orleans and Troy to Mobile the odds are that all three will sell enough tickets to be in the black even with 1/2 half going to the league office.

Could be a very profitable bowl year.

(11-29-2013 01:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Otherwise, no one turns a profit from bowl games. That goes for the SEC and the SBC. By the time ULL's money is split amongst UALR, UTA, ASU, ULM, Troy, Georgia State, and USA, it comes back in a much smaller amount.

Why don't we get no money, man????

You got something against Bobcats?

And I find it interesting that UALR and UTA get to split on bowl revenue, as they will NEVER compete for a bowl (I know never is a strong word, but until they decide to field a football team, I feel confident in saying that).

I wouldn't think that say... the Sun Belt would split basketball revenue with Idaho or NMSU (or baseball revenue historically with UNT), but maybe I am just missing something entirely.

(11-29-2013 01:50 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 01:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Otherwise, no one turns a profit from bowl games. That goes for the SEC and the SBC. By the time ULL's money is split amongst UALR, UTA, ASU, ULM, Troy, Georgia State, and USA, it comes back in a much smaller amount.

Why don't we get no money, man????

You got something against Bobcats?

And I find it interesting that UALR and UTA get to split on bowl revenue, as they will NEVER compete for a bowl (I know never is a strong word, but until they decide to field a football team, I feel confident in saying that).

I wouldn't think that say... the Sun Belt would split basketball revenue with Idaho or NMSU (or baseball revenue historically with UNT), but maybe I am just missing something entirely.

I think I goofed here and that Bowl revenue is only split amongst bowl teams.

Bowl revenue is split among bowl teams, unless we bust.

CFP revenue sharing last I knew was being debated as to whether UALR and UTA would get a piece of the action.

(11-29-2013 02:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Bowl revenue is split among bowl teams, unless we bust.

CFP revenue sharing last I knew was being debated as to whether UALR and UTA would get a piece of the action.

I really don't think they should. Not a knock on them, but they stand NO chance of ever contributing, so why should they get to suckle from the same teet?

(11-29-2013 02:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 02:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Bowl revenue is split among bowl teams, unless we bust.

CFP revenue sharing last I knew was being debated as to whether UALR and UTA would get a piece of the action.

I really don't think they should. Not a knock on them, but they stand NO chance of ever contributing, so why should they get to suckle from the same teet?

This whole revenue sharing thing reminds me of Obama's socialistic "share the wealth" wealth redistribution agenda. There's not enough wealth at this level to share. We could use that 400K or 500k that we send to the league to keep Coach Hud in town. SEC schools started this but the majority of their school's athletic programs will never operate in the red. Nearly all SBC school's athletic programs are struggling to operate in the black. When you work hard and succeed, you should benefit from your efforts. "For everything that one receives without working for, someone else must work for without receiving".

(11-29-2013 02:56 PM)WErLOUISIANA Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 02:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 02:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Bowl revenue is split among bowl teams, unless we bust.

CFP revenue sharing last I knew was being debated as to whether UALR and UTA would get a piece of the action.

I really don't think they should. Not a knock on them, but they stand NO chance of ever contributing, so why should they get to suckle from the same teet?

This whole revenue sharing thing reminds me of Obama's socialistic "share the wealth" wealth redistribution agenda. There's not enough wealth at this level to share. We could use that 400K or 500k that we send to the league to keep Coach Hud in town. SEC schools started this but the majority of their school's athletic programs will never operate in the red. Nearly all SBC school's athletic programs are struggling to operate in the black. When you work hard and succeed, you should benefit from your efforts. "For everything that one receives without working for, someone else must work for without receiving".

There was once an article that talked about how American Sports practiced a Socialist type system of sharing wealth, while being scared to death of it in real life, and in Europe they ran a much more democratic sports model, while the governments follow a more Socialist model.

But I digress.

(11-29-2013 02:56 PM)WErLOUISIANA Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 02:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 02:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Bowl revenue is split among bowl teams, unless we bust.

CFP revenue sharing last I knew was being debated as to whether UALR and UTA would get a piece of the action.

I really don't think they should. Not a knock on them, but they stand NO chance of ever contributing, so why should they get to suckle from the same teet?

This whole revenue sharing thing reminds me of Obama's socialistic "share the wealth" wealth redistribution agenda. There's not enough wealth at this level to share. We could use that 400K or 500k that we send to the league to keep Coach Hud in town. SEC schools started this but the majority of their school's athletic programs will never operate in the red. Nearly all SBC school's athletic programs are struggling to operate in the black. When you work hard and succeed, you should benefit from your efforts. "For everything that one receives without working for, someone else must work for without receiving".

The idea is that it will help make the league as a whole more competitive and thus help indirectly with the bowling school. I understand the rationale, and I sort of agree with it. But with a team that has no shot of ever contributing, I don't see the point in it.

(11-29-2013 02:56 PM)WErLOUISIANA Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 02:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 02:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Bowl revenue is split among bowl teams, unless we bust.

CFP revenue sharing last I knew was being debated as to whether UALR and UTA would get a piece of the action.

I really don't think they should. Not a knock on them, but they stand NO chance of ever contributing, so why should they get to suckle from the same teet?

This whole revenue sharing thing reminds me of Obama's socialistic "share the wealth" wealth redistribution agenda. There's not enough wealth at this level to share. We could use that 400K or 500k that we send to the league to keep Coach Hud in town. SEC schools started this but the majority of their school's athletic programs will never operate in the red. Nearly all SBC school's athletic programs are struggling to operate in the black. When you work hard and succeed, you should benefit from your efforts. "For everything that one receives without working for, someone else must work for without receiving".

The American pro leagues and college conferences were sharing revenue before Obama was born. Dirty commies.

(11-29-2013 02:56 PM)WErLOUISIANA Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 02:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 02:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Bowl revenue is split among bowl teams, unless we bust.

CFP revenue sharing last I knew was being debated as to whether UALR and UTA would get a piece of the action.

I really don't think they should. Not a knock on them, but they stand NO chance of ever contributing, so why should they get to suckle from the same teet?

This whole revenue sharing thing reminds me of Obama's socialistic "share the wealth" wealth redistribution agenda. There's not enough wealth at this level to share. We could use that 400K or 500k that we send to the league to keep Coach Hud in town. SEC schools started this but the majority of their school's athletic programs will never operate in the red. Nearly all SBC school's athletic programs are struggling to operate in the black. When you work hard and succeed, you should benefit from your efforts. "For everything that one receives without working for, someone else must work for without receiving".

I don't see anyone complaining about the 7 million Western put in the pockets of other SBC schools ....

even ull's pocket so why shouldn't the pocket change ULL earned be split. Without the "conference" you don't go bowling...or have a FBS football program

(11-29-2013 03:01 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 02:56 PM)WErLOUISIANA Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 02:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(11-29-2013 02:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Bowl revenue is split among bowl teams, unless we bust.

CFP revenue sharing last I knew was being debated as to whether UALR and UTA would get a piece of the action.

I really don't think they should. Not a knock on them, but they stand NO chance of ever contributing, so why should they get to suckle from the same teet?

This whole revenue sharing thing reminds me of Obama's socialistic "share the wealth" wealth redistribution agenda. There's not enough wealth at this level to share. We could use that 400K or 500k that we send to the league to keep Coach Hud in town. SEC schools started this but the majority of their school's athletic programs will never operate in the red. Nearly all SBC school's athletic programs are struggling to operate in the black. When you work hard and succeed, you should benefit from your efforts. "For everything that one receives without working for, someone else must work for without receiving".

There was once an article that talked about how American Sports practiced a Socialist type system of sharing wealth, while being scared to death of it in real life, and in Europe they ran a much more democratic sports model, while the governments follow a more Socialist model.

But I digress.

European sports a low level team can improve and move to higher leagues or fall due to poor performance.

US sports operate under noble birth. Once you are in you are pretty much in forever. US leagues share so the bad teams don't drag them down so much.