(11-21-2013 07:35 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  CUSA's commissioner Brankowski has publicly stated that CUSA's strategy in the coming years will be to moderate OOC scheduling in order to play more "winnable" OOC games, thus becoming a larger player in the national picture. In other words, OOC wins over schools like Kentucky and Indiana do more for your conference than blow-out losses to Alabama and Florida State ever will. This is where the Sun Belt has missed the boat for many years. Your best teams get blown out early in the season by a powerhouse P5 program and that ends any chance of that team breaking into the Top 25 that year. I understand that some programs desperately need the payday, so they really have no choice but to do this, but substituting an Miss St for an LSU when you can makes sense for all G5 conferences. That being said, USM just announced that they play at Alabama in Sept 2014. Chances are that USM will be totally humiliated by Alabama. I guess USM needs the money.

USM has a history with Alabama.

Also, that is one strategy that has been used. The other is to play anybody, anytime, anywhere.

It isn't exactly possible to say which one, based on any real evidence, will pay off more. That's because CUSA is last year's SunBelt.

(11-21-2013 01:05 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 10:32 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 10:22 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 09:34 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 09:06 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  +1

The effect can be and is positive when the FCS teams have a HISTORY of fielding competitive programs. Competitive being relative and a complete understatement. Your assumption that being FBS alone gives you prestige is misguided. Neglecting to talk about current members would be remiss and is just another opportunity for you to show your discontent with your own university. Leave us out of it.

One would think so, but that has not been the history in the conference with the exception of Troy. WKU had won at the FCS level, but the SBC wasn't kind to their winning ways once play began. I make no assumption other then your record this season against FCS schedules for the most part suggest you are not going to be any better then GSU today, next season. I have not problem discussing current members as long as its in context, just like discussing your resume in the FCS.

The WKU argument is just dumb. They had great success a few years before moving FBS, but they were an average FCS team when they moved up.

Yes, we are having a down year for many reasons, but we had been to three consecutive semi finals and would have likely won two national championships if the great NDSU team were not in the picture. And you saw what NDSU did to K state.

So your are a 6-4 team in the FCS, stepping up in competition next season against a better schedule and I'm suppose to consider your prior seasons? Now what sounds dumb? You are obviously not the team your were the year before and there will be no ELON pillow fight on your schedule next season, and your suppose to be something better then 6-4? This is where fantasy and reality meet the street, sorry let's just end it now.

I think the point they were trying to make is that this year is an outlier and not representative of an overall trend or level of play. Maybe this is the beginning a rebiulding period for GSU or maybe it is just a fluke and we are back to form next year. We just won't know for another year.
So it is very possible that the team next year isn't the same team you see this year and we do go better than 6-4 (the schedule is setup for us to do that).

I don't know how the online portion works, but I believe the Sun Belt may have been left out because of limited printed space, usually defined by the number of ads they sell. USA Today is a big time paper so then again they probably have a set number of ads every time.

(11-20-2013 10:22 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  One would think so, but that has not been the history in the conference with the exception of Troy. WKU had won at the FCS level, but the SBC wasn't kind to their winning ways once play began.

I make no assumption other then your record this season against FCS schedules for the most part suggest you are not going to be any better then GSU today, next season. I have not problem discussing current members as long as its in context, just like discussing your resume in the FCS.

WKU didn't win that much at the FCS level. Not compared to us. When they began SBC play, they were starting over with a new coach and a new system. Totally different situation that will probably have a totally different result.

Well.... if you want to assume that GSU will be dressing 20 Freshman per game due to losing 15 starters and 25 or so Scholarship players each year in the SBC (and doing so out of roughly 20 less scholarship players) and that the Eagles will not gain recruiting power with it's new FBS title..... and that Sun Belt defenses (while obviously better) are going to be as prepared each week to face an offense that they are going to see once a year or once every two years as opposed to defenses that see that basically same offense at least 3 times EVERY YEAR... Well then.. you go ahead and assume

This season is a fluke - I've never seen any team this injury laden. And I don't expect to again. So, do you think our resume of 3 consecutive semi-final appearances and the most FCS National titles over all is a better gage on how good this program is? Or a season of unparalleled injury? The later is like staring at a plane crash and saying.. "Hum, I assume those things just cant fly". EAGLES CAN FLY

(11-20-2013 11:04 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I need to revisit this post here in 5 years for a good laugh........So your reasoning is WKU got lucky over 10 years ago to win vs. your guys, so therefore GSU will be a better FBS team in the long run...Gotcha, what sense does that make, haha? I know all GSU knows is football, but their is a round ball too that brings notoriety to your school as well as other sports for your conference....I don't care what anyone says, losing your top overall program for years is not good.......And GSU fans, when you become dominate and playing in the Orange Bowl in a few seasons, please take our beat writer for our local paper and your Proud Graduate Chad BIshop with you....

No, that isn't the reasoning at all. First, they didn't just "get lucky" that day. They were dang good. Those teams were pretty well matched, each in it's own style was on top of its game. It was the real National Championship. Could have went either way, and the winner was going to crush McNeese (I believe). Sort of like UGA/Bama - either one was going to crush ND. It was a lucky hail marry, but you guys were in position to win.

The point was that you never sustained a dynasty at that level over a long period of time, and your success at that level cant really be compared to our success at that level. It just simply makes very little sense to display WKU's transition woes and claim that WKU was a dominant program in the FCS the same as GSU and from that derive that we will have the same level of struggle. WKU FCS < GSU FCS. Sure you won that day and deserved the NC title, but overall WKU was no GSU.

Makes no sense!

Actually what makes us a better program is what gave us advantages over WKU when you were FCS. Location for one! Let's see how that pans out on the recruiting trail. You have 7 players from GA and 30 from FL on your roster right now. We are going to start to win the battle for a lot of those guys very soon, just like we did when you were FCS.

Sure when I'm saying "program".. I'm talking about the football program.

I don't care about "round ball". I know it is important overall and all that. Sure I'd like for us to get to the sweet 16. I probably still wouldn't watch it - well, maybe then. You are from Kentucky so that is probably the biggest sport in your state, but I didn't grow up with anybody who cared about "round ball" AT ALL. Football is King. Anybody know how Boise St's "round ball" team is doing? Do they even have a basketball team?

And I have no idea what you meant by "....I don't care what anyone says, losing your top overall program for years is not good......." ???????????? You talking about you or us? Our top program is Football. I don't think basketball is even second, I'd guess Baseball would be second for us, I know it is for me. And who lost a program? Are you talking about our football program between WW1/WW2 and ERK? You cant be talking about that.

(11-22-2013 03:56 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 11:04 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I need to revisit this post here in 5 years for a good laugh........So your reasoning is WKU got lucky over 10 years ago to win vs. your guys, so therefore GSU will be a better FBS team in the long run...Gotcha, what sense does that make, haha? I know all GSU knows is football, but their is a round ball too that brings notoriety to your school as well as other sports for your conference....I don't care what anyone says, losing your top overall program for years is not good.......And GSU fans, when you become dominate and playing in the Orange Bowl in a few seasons, please take our beat writer for our local paper and your Proud Graduate Chad BIshop with you....

No, that isn't the reasoning at all. First, they didn't just "get lucky" that day. They were dang good. Those teams were pretty well matched, each in it's own style was on top of its game. It was the real National Championship. Could have went either way, and the winner was going to crush McNeese (I believe). Sort of like UGA/Bama - either one was going to crush ND. It was a lucky hail marry, but you guys were in position to win.

The point was that you never sustained a dynasty at that level over a long period of time, and your success at that level cant really be compared to our success at that level. It just simply makes very little sense to display WKU's transition woes and claim that WKU was a dominant program in the FCS the same as GSU and from that derive that we will have the same level of struggle. WKU FCS < GSU FCS. Sure you won that day and deserved the NC title, but overall WKU was no GSU.

Makes no sense!

Actually what makes us a better program is what gave us advantages over WKU when you were FCS. Location for one! Let's see how that pans out on the recruiting trail. You have 7 players from GA and 30 from FL on your roster right now. We are going to start to win the battle for a lot of those guys very soon, just like we did when you were FCS.

Sure when I'm saying "program".. I'm talking about the football program.

I don't care about "round ball". I know it is important overall and all that. Sure I'd like for us to get to the sweet 16. I probably still wouldn't watch it - well, maybe then. You are from Kentucky so that is probably the biggest sport in your state, but I didn't grow up with anybody who cared about "round ball" AT ALL. Football is King. Anybody know how Boise St's "round ball" team is doing? Do they even have a basketball team?

And I have no idea what you meant by "....[b]I don't care what anyone says, losing your top overall program for years is not good......." ???????????? You talking about you or us?[/b] Our top program is Football. I don't think basketball is even second, I'd guess Baseball would be second for us, I know it is for me. And who lost a program? Are you talking about our football program between WW1/WW2 and ERK? You cant be talking about that.

I was responding to the 4th option who said the following:

"Well we beat the crap out of the last F?U that we played.
And the WKU game was won by them in Auburn over UGA type fashion with a hail marry on 4th and forever being caught at the GSU two. We will see who is more ignorant over time. GSU/ASU is an upgrade over WKU/F?U. U will see".


Your "overall program" maybe an upgrade over FIU but no way ASU and GSU will match what we did in basketball and volleyball in the SB not to mention the overall programs and sports we brought to the SB...If GSU fans think losing WKU is no big deal, you guys are even more clueless that I assumed..

As far as recruiting, who is going to want to go to GSU in an offense from 1970? WKU is not recruiting anyone for the option and you will soon find out the option is not goign to work in the SB and only remotley works at programs like GT, Navy and Army....So scratching my head over the "we will lose recruits to GSU'? We have had some studs in Georgia over the years like Rainey and Q. Smith but overall seems like we have shifted recruiting focus to Kentucky and Alabama...I know Kentucky is known only for bastball but high school players and the overall talent has improved a ton since even 5 years ago in this state....We have 10 or so already commits from next season from our own state...

Our offense is evolving as we have incorporated a shotgun spread option. We have struggled with it this year as we need a QB that can throw as well as run.

Even if we remain with the T/O the only recruiting difference will be the offensive line and QB. I for one hope we stay with it. Call it high school if you wish. Assuming it want work at the FBS level based on what? That other teams haven't had success with it? Maybe it has more to do with the level of talent running it, as it relates to the competition. The league below would disagree with your assumption. It is our history, old school or whatever. When it is successful it is a thing of beauty to watch, at least to most GS fans. The T/Os been very good to our university, so it is our identity.

(11-22-2013 11:48 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  Even if we remain with the T/O the only recruiting difference will be the offensive line and QB. I for one hope we stay with it. Call it high school if you wish. Assuming it want work at the FBS level based on what? That other teams haven't had success with it? Maybe it has more to do with the level of talent running it, as it relates to the competition. The league below would disagree with your assumption. It is our history, old school or whatever. When it is successful it is a thing of beauty to watch, at least to most GS fans. The T/Os been very good to our university, so it is our identity.

Yessir. Good post. No, great post. The T/0 is a thing of beauty and I believe it can be successful at any level if executed well. I'd wager PJ would already have many many more wins under his belt at Georgia Tech if he could find a defensive coordinator ...

The thing that worries me most is Monken will get rabbit ears and start trying to 'evolve' the offense into some hybrid bunch of BS, just because message board experts who think they know football start yammering it's too old fashioned and won't work at the big school level.

Hell, our AD and president already have rabbit ears -- don't need the coach to get the same thing.

(11-22-2013 10:45 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I was responding to the 4th option ...

Your "overall program" maybe an upgrade over FIU but no way ASU and GSU will match what we did in basketball and volleyball in the SB not to mention the overall programs and sports we brought to the SB...If GSU fans think losing WKU is no big deal, you guys are even more clueless that I assumed..

As far as recruiting, who is going to want to go to GSU in an offense from 1970? WKU is not recruiting anyone for the option and you will soon find out the option is not going to work in the SB and only remotley works at programs like GT, Navy and Army....So scratching my head over the "we will lose recruits to GSU'? We have had some studs in Georgia over the years like Rainey and Q. Smith but overall seems like we have shifted recruiting focus to Kentucky and Alabama...I know Kentucky is known only for bastball but high school players and the overall talent has improved a ton since even 5 years ago in this state....We have 10 or so already commits from next season from our own state...

Oh... no .. Please don't beat us in Volley Ball! For the love of PETE..What will I do if our Volley Ball team loses a game to WKU?

And as far as I'm concerned.. You can have the round ball to! On second thought, we'll make you earn it if you can, but I wont lose any sleep over it I guarantee!

Now, wait a Minute. I've said on several occasions that I wish we had kept WKU. We would be at 12 and we need the Kentucky footprint! And you have become a decent FBS program imop. But knowing your guys are a valuable asset to have in the conference and believing your Football program is on par with GSU and App State are two very different thing. I think you are ok, I think we are better.. its that simple. I just don't think you would be able to hang with us for long on the grid iron year in and year out that is. But you have your opposing opinion to, How bout we get a game scheduled?

1970? Hum, Didn't Nebraska beat the tar out of UF in the National Championship in the 90's running the option? And our version of this offense wasn't even conceived until the 80's. Sure there was the triple option, but the twist we put on it is sort of unique. There is a reason some people call us "Option U". And only remotely works at Navy? I know that you realize the recruiting restrictions they have right? I often actually DOES take an act of congress to get into those places. And PJ has carried GT to the ACC championship 40% of the time with this offense. Would you consider that "not working?".. Has WKU played for the SBC title 40% of the time? Oh, that's right.. we got to get to 12. If you turkeys had only stayed.

Oh, and here is a jewel if you want to pick one to "revist" in a few years... "find out the option is not going to work in the SB " You are going to find out what crow taste like soon.

"find out the option is not going to work in the SB "??
Ok, I'd expect you to be focused on Kentucky
But nearly half of your rooster hails from a combo of GA/FL. Southern is a much closer ride for Momma to come watch a recruit play!
Plus we are going to steal some of those Alabama recruits from you to.. (just saying ;( )We both recruit "Athletes".. In high school - many times the most talented player on the field is the QB. You might want him to pay Tailback, or DB or WR. We offer him a shorter drive, MORE PRESTIGE.. YES I SAID IT!, and a chance maybe to keep playing QB? Plus with the shift to more mobile QB's and zone read offenses, we could EASILY be competing for a QB to play QB at either program. Then what about Defensive players? All the same on that side of the ball. And really, who wants to live in Kentucky?

Oh, did you hear USA today left the Sun Belt out?

(11-22-2013 01:08 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(11-22-2013 10:45 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I was responding to the 4th option ...

Your "overall program" maybe an upgrade over FIU but no way ASU and GSU will match what we did in basketball and volleyball in the SB not to mention the overall programs and sports we brought to the SB...If GSU fans think losing WKU is no big deal, you guys are even more clueless that I assumed..

As far as recruiting, who is going to want to go to GSU in an offense from 1970? WKU is not recruiting anyone for the option and you will soon find out the option is not going to work in the SB and only remotley works at programs like GT, Navy and Army....So scratching my head over the "we will lose recruits to GSU'? We have had some studs in Georgia over the years like Rainey and Q. Smith but overall seems like we have shifted recruiting focus to Kentucky and Alabama...I know Kentucky is known only for bastball but high school players and the overall talent has improved a ton since even 5 years ago in this state....We have 10 or so already commits from next season from our own state...

Oh... no .. Please don't beat us in Volley Ball! For the love of PETE..What will I do if our Volley Ball team loses a game to WKU?

And as far as I'm concerned.. You can have the round ball to! On second thought, we'll make you earn it if you can, but I wont lose any sleep over it I guarantee!

Now, wait a Minute. I've said on several occasions that I wish we had kept WKU. We would be at 12 and we need the Kentucky footprint! And you have become a decent FBS program imop. But knowing your guys are a valuable asset to have in the conference and believing your Football program is on par with GSU and App State are two very different thing. I think you are ok, I think we are better.. its that simple. I just don't think you would be able to hang with us for long on the grid iron year in and year out that is. But you have your opposing opinion to, How bout we get a game scheduled?

1970? Hum, Didn't Nebraska beat the tar out of UF in the National Championship in the 90's running the option? And our version of this offense wasn't even conceived until the 80's. Sure there was the triple option, but the twist we put on it is sort of unique. There is a reason some people call us "Option U". And only remotely works at Navy? I know that you realize the recruiting restrictions they have right? I often actually DOES take an act of congress to get into those places. And PJ has carried GT to the ACC championship 40% of the time with this offense. Would you consider that "not working?".. Has WKU played for the SBC title 40% of the time? Oh, that's right.. we got to get to 12. If you turkeys had only stayed.

Oh, and here is a jewel if you want to pick one to "revist" in a few years... "find out the option is not going to work in the SB " You are going to find out what crow taste like soon.

"find out the option is not going to work in the SB "??
Ok, I'd expect you to be focused on Kentucky
But nearly half of your rooster hails from a combo of GA/FL. Southern is a much closer ride for Momma to come watch a recruit play!
We both recruit "Athletes".. In high school - many times the most talented player on the field is the QB. You might want him to pay Tailback, or DB or WR. We offer him a shorter drive, MORE PRESTIGE.. YES I SAID IT!, and a chance maybe to keep playing QB? Plus with the shift to more mobile QB's and zone read offenses, we could EASILY be competing for a QB to play QB at either program. Then what about Defensive players? All the same on that side of the ball. And really, who wants to live in Kentucky?

WOw you are special, do not even know where to start? I doubt we are going to be recruiting the same type of players or battling it out for the same players....We are recruiting in 2 differnent areas and completely two different systems offensively and definsively, but I guess we will see...

As others have said countless number of times sucess in FCS does not translate equally to sucess in FBS...Will you be competative, I would say no doubt you will to start or in time, but you are not coming even in watered down SB and finishing top 3 or 4 the first few seasons, no way in hell.....

Obviously you guys only care about football but in overall grand scheme of thing conf. wise, I would argue basketball is just as important and beating Tocaa Falls is not going to get you in many NCAA tournaments, haha..

I am not the AD to schedule our games and our OOC schedule looks pretty full, contact your boy Chad Bishp and have him schedule a game between us and you guys, he has all the pull at WKU, haha....

(11-22-2013 01:19 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(11-22-2013 01:08 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(11-22-2013 10:45 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I was responding to the 4th option ...

Your "overall program" maybe an upgrade over FIU but no way ASU and GSU will match what we did in basketball and volleyball in the SB not to mention the overall programs and sports we brought to the SB...If GSU fans think losing WKU is no big deal, you guys are even more clueless that I assumed..

As far as recruiting, who is going to want to go to GSU in an offense from 1970? WKU is not recruiting anyone for the option and you will soon find out the option is not going to work in the SB and only remotley works at programs like GT, Navy and Army....So scratching my head over the "we will lose recruits to GSU'? We have had some studs in Georgia over the years like Rainey and Q. Smith but overall seems like we have shifted recruiting focus to Kentucky and Alabama...I know Kentucky is known only for bastball but high school players and the overall talent has improved a ton since even 5 years ago in this state....We have 10 or so already commits from next season from our own state...

Oh... no .. Please don't beat us in Volley Ball! For the love of PETE..What will I do if our Volley Ball team loses a game to WKU?

And as far as I'm concerned.. You can have the round ball to! On second thought, we'll make you earn it if you can, but I wont lose any sleep over it I guarantee!

Now, wait a Minute. I've said on several occasions that I wish we had kept WKU. We would be at 12 and we need the Kentucky footprint! And you have become a decent FBS program imop. But knowing your guys are a valuable asset to have in the conference and believing your Football program is on par with GSU and App State are two very different thing. I think you are ok, I think we are better.. its that simple. I just don't think you would be able to hang with us for long on the grid iron year in and year out that is. But you have your opposing opinion to, How bout we get a game scheduled?

1970? Hum, Didn't Nebraska beat the tar out of UF in the National Championship in the 90's running the option? And our version of this offense wasn't even conceived until the 80's. Sure there was the triple option, but the twist we put on it is sort of unique. There is a reason some people call us "Option U". And only remotely works at Navy? I know that you realize the recruiting restrictions they have right? I often actually DOES take an act of congress to get into those places. And PJ has carried GT to the ACC championship 40% of the time with this offense. Would you consider that "not working?".. Has WKU played for the SBC title 40% of the time? Oh, that's right.. we got to get to 12. If you turkeys had only stayed.

Oh, and here is a jewel if you want to pick one to "revist" in a few years... "find out the option is not going to work in the SB " You are going to find out what crow taste like soon.

"find out the option is not going to work in the SB "??
Ok, I'd expect you to be focused on Kentucky
But nearly half of your rooster hails from a combo of GA/FL. Southern is a much closer ride for Momma to come watch a recruit play!
We both recruit "Athletes".. In high school - many times the most talented player on the field is the QB. You might want him to pay Tailback, or DB or WR. We offer him a shorter drive, MORE PRESTIGE.. YES I SAID IT!, and a chance maybe to keep playing QB? Plus with the shift to more mobile QB's and zone read offenses, we could EASILY be competing for a QB to play QB at either program. Then what about Defensive players? All the same on that side of the ball. And really, who wants to live in Kentucky?

WOw you are special, do not even know where to start? I doubt we are going to be recruiting the same type of players or battling it out for the same players....We are recruiting in 2 differnent areas and completely two different systems offensively and definsively, but I guess we will see...

As others have said countless number of times sucess in FCS does not translate equally to sucess in FBS...Will you be competative, I would say no doubt you will to start or in time, but you are not coming even in watered down SB and finishing top 3 or 4 the first few seasons, no way in hell.....

Obviously you guys only care about football but in overall grand scheme of thing conf. wise, I would argue basketball is just as important and beating Tocaa Falls is not going to get you in many NCAA tournaments, haha..

I am not the AD to schedule our games and our OOC schedule looks pretty full, contact your boy Chad Bishp and have him schedule a game between us and you guys, he has all the pull at WKU, haha....

I think its an endless debate with some of these guys. Some of them want to talk about current SBC program's performance in OOC games and say we should own up to it, but some of them seem to be separated from reality when discussing the fact that their championships don't translate to FBS play because they have yet to defeat one single FBS program in their history, good or bad. Now that's not smack, its putting forth a foundation as to why I don't think they are going to cake walk the SBC next season.

Oh good Lord... Can we PLEASE not kill our 1,000th thread by derailing it into a triple option argument.

It's a shame USA Today forgot the Sun Belt, did anybody bother to email the writer and ask why?

OMG. If there was a way I could delete
This thread I started I
Would. I was pointing out how inept
USA Today wAs and how our conference
Office and us fans should call them on
It

Instead it turns into a pissing contest
To argue which teams basket weaving
Squad wAs better in 1970

And yes I did email the writer and commented
On the article.

Basket Weaving. I think we should have a best bass fishing team thread so UALR and ULM can go at it.