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RE: Let's add D4 discussions to the mix on an old subject.
(10-21-2013 07:24 PM)XLance Wrote: (10-21-2013 03:44 PM)JRsec Wrote: (10-19-2013 04:06 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote: I totally agree, JR. Trying to squeeze 72 teams into the existing P4 is impossible unless the ACC were to be split up instead of/along with the Big 12. The latter just does not have enough quality pieces to make it work. As I wrote a few months ago, though, new markets and quality institutions are readily available if the PAC and B1G are willing to cross the border to Vancouver and Toronto. Both cities are extraordinarily close in proximity to existing states (Vancouver to Washingtion and Toronto to Michigan, not to mention New York if Buffalo were to be added).
Having said that, 72 would be possible if there was further movement within the P4. Culturally, 18 in the SEC is only possible with the addition of North Carolina and Virginia unless we agree to double down in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, or Texas. Additionally, 18 is only possible for the PAC with the addition of Texas or at least Oklahoma and Kansas. The ACC would need to agree to scoop up at least 2 programs from Texas, but, in turn, the B1G would need to steal from the ACC since Kansas is really the only Big 12 school that would makes sense for them on all levels.
BBB, it can be done but there are some stringent caveats for it to be able to happen. And it is easier at 64 than at 72.
1. Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas must all wind up in different conferences.
2. As we move to a P4 set up all conferences must play 9 conference games, and must play 1 school from each of the three remaining P4 conferences to round out their 12 game schedule. There will be no FCS or lower division FBS games.
3. All Spring games are moved to mid August and become a true preseason game and more importantly the 7th home game for each P4 school. These games may be scheduled against FCS or lower division FBS schools.
4. This is a model but gives you an indication of how it might be done:
SEC 16:
East: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina
North: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
South: L.S.U., Ole Miss, Miss State, Texas A&M
West: Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
At 18 we add Kansas State and Baylor/U.C.F./E.C.U.?
ACC 16:
North: Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
East: Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest
West: Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
South: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami
At 18 the ACC adds Cincinnati and Tulane
Big 1G:
East: Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers
North: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
South: Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
West: Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Nebraska
At 18 the B1G adds Buffalo and Connecticut
PAC 16:
East: Colorado, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech
South: Arizona, Arizona State, California Los Angeles, Southern California
West: California, Nevada/U.N.L.V., Stanford, Utah
North: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
At 18 the PAC adds New Mexico and B.Y.U.
It's not perfect by any means but it gives each conference a regional or national brand, and either a top earner (Oklahoma State) or a new market.
At 18 it's just new markets and nothing to write home about except if the upper tier is set at 72 it gets us there.
Looks good JR.
Regardless of what Bit has to say, West Virginia will end up in the ACC.
The Nevada/UNLV selection is interesting.....not bad, just interesting.
Good work, I don't know if it can be improved. The 18 per conference is not so good. It's just that 72 is too many.
I would shift the ACC divisions just a little:
Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Louisville, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, NC State
Carolina, UVa, Duke, Georgia Tech
Clemson, Florida State, Wake Forest, Miami
Like Bit, I am hoping for them as an SEC member. The SEC just took two teams from the west side. As much as I was happy we were picked, I hated that it was probably at WVU's expense. Let's fix that...
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