In the event of a 3 way divisional tie what happens? Best record vs. opponents in other division?

In 2011 Toledo tied with NIU (7-1) but lost head to head so obviously NIU went to the ship.

If Toledo, BSU, and NIU all go 7-1 (doubtful) what happens?

Toledo plays BG, Akron, Buffalo
BSU plays Kent, Akron, Miami
NIU plays Umass, Akron, Kent

NIU also plays BSU at home before coming into the glass bowl week 12. Could the MAC go through Toledo at home???? It only seems logical that Toledo's (pre-conceived win) vs. BG would be the best win cross division.

(10-01-2013 09:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  In the event of a 3 way divisional tie what happens? Best record vs. opponents in other division?

In 2011 Toledo tied with NIU (7-1) but lost head to head so obviously NIU went to the ship.

If Toledo, BSU, and NIU all go 7-1 (doubtful) what happens?

Toledo plays BG, Akron, Buffalo
BSU plays Kent, Akron, Miami
NIU plays Umass, Akron, Kent

NIU also plays BSU at home before coming into the glass bowl week 12. Could the MAC go through Toledo at home???? It only seems logical that Toledo's (pre-conceived win) vs. BG would be the best win cross division.

After the Rockets being 2-3 and losing to Ball State again, I feel like Jim Mora should be responding to this thread saying "Divisional tie?...."

Oh stop. We had 10 penalties, and two trips to the three yard line resulting in 3 points, with the over all result a 7 point road loss. Toledo is still a good football team.

We have and will compete with everyone on the schedule. The last real blowout we suffered was probably in 2010 vs. NIU. I will think championship if I want.

Plus the fact our only losses have been to BSU and NIU is recent history with a probable three weeks to get ready for BG. I think the odds have us at < 3 conference losses.

But from what I can tell, the tie breakers are head to head, divisional record, average conference winning percentage of cross division opponents, then (if some but not all eliminated yet) head to head again. With NIU playing UMass, Akron and Kent, I reckon they'll elect to just win all of their division games and avoid the risk of the third tie-breaker altogether.

(10-02-2013 12:09 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  But from what I can tell, the tie breakers are head to head, divisional record, average conference winning percentage of cross division opponents, then (if some but not all eliminated yet) head to head again. With NIU playing UMass, Akron and Kent, I reckon they'll elect to just win all of their division games and avoid the risk of the third tie-breaker altogether.

+1

Average cross division winning percentage is what I was wondering. Thanks.

This almost happened in 2008 when CMU beat WMU, BSU beat CMU, and if WMU beat BSU it would've been a 3 way tie at 7-1. However, CMU lost to EMU and WMU lost to BSU in the last week of the season.

I remember some obscure tiebreaker would've given CMU the MAC West. I think it was SOS in the MAC or something. So essentially, MAC east opponents record or something stupid.

(10-02-2013 02:20 PM)george14 Wrote:  This almost happened in 2008 when CMU beat WMU, BSU beat CMU, and if WMU beat BSU it would've been a 3 way tie at 7-1. However, CMU lost to EMU and WMU lost to BSU in the last week of the season.

I remember some obscure tiebreaker would've given CMU the MAC West. I think it was SOS in the MAC or something. So essentially, MAC east opponents record or something stupid.

This is exactly how Akron won the East in 2005. Conference record of the 3 West Division opponents played.

(10-02-2013 09:06 AM)NIUHuskie Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 12:09 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  But from what I can tell, the tie breakers are head to head, divisional record, average conference winning percentage of cross division opponents, then (if some but not all eliminated yet) head to head again. With NIU playing UMass, Akron and Kent, I reckon they'll elect to just win all of their division games and avoid the risk of the third tie-breaker altogether.

+1

Not to be a Debbie Downer on the NIU side, but I know they are not escaping the Glass Bowl this year.

(10-02-2013 02:20 PM)george14 Wrote:  I remember some obscure tiebreaker would've given CMU the MAC West. I think it was SOS in the MAC or something. So essentially, MAC east opponents record or something stupid.

It would really only come up in a three way or on particular type of four way tie, where head to head logjams. So, yeah, it comes down to, "sure, we all were undefeated cross-division, but we beat strong teams and you beat cellar dwellers."

Note that there is no difference between doing it on all other conference opponents performance and cross-division performance, since if they are tied in the division and logjammed on head to head, their in-division "other opponents performance" is automatically identical.

I'm very disappointed the answer to this question isn't Thunderdome.

(10-02-2013 04:23 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I'm very disappointed the answer to this question isn't Thunderdome.

(10-02-2013 04:23 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I'm very disappointed the answer to this question isn't Thunderdome.

As I understand it, that was ruled out by some NCAA playing time rule.

Meddlers.

(10-01-2013 11:26 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Oh stop. We had 10 penalties, and two trips to the three yard line resulting in 3 points, with the over all result a 7 point road loss. Toledo is still a good football team.

We have and will compete with everyone on the schedule. The last real blowout we suffered was probably in 2010 vs. NIU. I will think championship if I want.

"Good" teams don't normally have 10 penalties and always get more than 3 points from two trips to the three yard line. Not to nit-pick or put words in your mouth but what I think you really meant to say is "that if UT can eliminate mistakes and improve on their play calling and execution, they have the potential to be a very good football team.

(10-02-2013 10:19 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(10-01-2013 11:26 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Oh stop. We had 10 penalties, and two trips to the three yard line resulting in 3 points, with the over all result a 7 point road loss. Toledo is still a good football team.

We have and will compete with everyone on the schedule. The last real blowout we suffered was probably in 2010 vs. NIU. I will think championship if I want.

"Good" teams don't normally have 10 penalties and always get more than 3 points from two trips to the three yard line. Not to nit-pick or put words in your mouth but what I think you really meant to say is "that if UT can eliminate mistakes and improve on their play calling and execution, they have the potential to be a very good football team.

We played like boneheads in a game that was essential. I think the team is more talented than Muncies. Time will tell.

(10-01-2013 09:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  In the event of a 3 way divisional tie what happens? Best record vs. opponents in other division?

In 2011 Toledo tied with NIU (7-1) but lost head to head so obviously NIU went to the ship.

If Toledo, BSU, and NIU all go 7-1 (doubtful) what happens?

Toledo plays BG, Akron, Buffalo
BSU plays Kent, Akron, Miami
NIU plays Umass, Akron, Kent

NIU also plays BSU at home before coming into the glass bowl week 12. Could the MAC go through Toledo at home???? It only seems logical that Toledo's (pre-conceived win) vs. BG would be the best win cross division.

I think you guys will finish well ahead of CMU for 3rd place. Definitely no tie.

(10-02-2013 02:34 PM)Zippy989 Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 02:20 PM)george14 Wrote:  This almost happened in 2008 when CMU beat WMU, BSU beat CMU, and if WMU beat BSU it would've been a 3 way tie at 7-1. However, CMU lost to EMU and WMU lost to BSU in the last week of the season.

I remember some obscure tiebreaker would've given CMU the MAC West. I think it was SOS in the MAC or something. So essentially, MAC east opponents record or something stupid.

This is exactly how Akron won the East in 2005. Conference record of the 3 West Division opponents played.

Ok so now I am confused actually.

Tiebreaker 1: Akron, BG, Miami finish 5-3
Tiebreaker 2: All 1-1 against each other
Tiebreaker 3: Akron played CMU (5-3) NIU (6-2) BSU (4-4). BG played UT (6-2) WMU (5-3) BSU (4-4). Miami played NIU (6-2) CMU (5-3) EMU (3-5). Combined cross over opponents records: Akron 15-9 BG 15-9 and Miami 14-10. So Miami is now eliminated because their crossover opponents had the worst record.
Tiebreaker 4?: Akron and BG were both 1-2 against the MAC West and their crossover opponents record was 15-9, did Akron win because they beat the best crossover opponent, NIU (6-2), where as BG beat BSU (4-4)?


Sorry, bored in class and decided to research this instead of law.

(10-03-2013 09:30 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 02:34 PM)Zippy989 Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 02:20 PM)george14 Wrote:  This almost happened in 2008 when CMU beat WMU, BSU beat CMU, and if WMU beat BSU it would've been a 3 way tie at 7-1. However, CMU lost to EMU and WMU lost to BSU in the last week of the season.

I remember some obscure tiebreaker would've given CMU the MAC West. I think it was SOS in the MAC or something. So essentially, MAC east opponents record or something stupid.

This is exactly how Akron won the East in 2005. Conference record of the 3 West Division opponents played.

Ok so now I am confused actually.

Tiebreaker 1: Akron, BG, Miami finish 5-3
Tiebreaker 2: All 1-1 against each other
Tiebreaker 3: Akron played CMU (5-3) NIU (6-2) BSU (4-4). BG played UT (6-2) WMU (5-3) BSU (4-4). Miami played NIU (6-2) CMU (5-3) EMU (3-5). Combined cross over opponents records: Akron 15-9 BG 15-9 and Miami 14-10. So Miami is now eliminated because their crossover opponents had the worst record.
Tiebreaker 4?: Akron and BG were both 1-2 against the MAC West and their crossover opponents record was 15-9, did Akron win because they beat the best crossover opponent, NIU (6-2), where as BG beat BSU (4-4)?


Sorry, bored in class and decided to research this instead of law.

You go back to the beginning with the two remaining teams: head-to-head. The Akron-BG game winner is in the MACC.

(10-03-2013 09:34 AM)axeme Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 09:30 AM)george14 Wrote:  Ok so now I am confused actually.

Tiebreaker 1: Akron, BG, Miami finish 5-3
Tiebreaker 2: All 1-1 against each other
Tiebreaker 3: Akron played CMU (5-3) NIU (6-2) BSU (4-4). BG played UT (6-2) WMU (5-3) BSU (4-4). Miami played NIU (6-2) CMU (5-3) EMU (3-5). Combined cross over opponents records: Akron 15-9 BG 15-9 and Miami 14-10. So Miami is now eliminated because their crossover opponents had the worst record.
Tiebreaker 4?: Akron and BG were both 1-2 against the MAC West and their crossover opponents record was 15-9, did Akron win because they beat the best crossover opponent, NIU (6-2), where as BG beat BSU (4-4)?


Sorry, bored in class and decided to research this instead of law.

You go back to the beginning with the two remaining teams: head-to-head. The Akron-BG game winner is in the MACC.

Ahhh, thank you for the clarification. A lot of unnecessary analysis on my part haha.