(10-02-2013 03:55 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  People would have to consider being gay a sickness if they are wanting to treat it.
Hate to say it, but it seems to make them happy, so guess it would be the only
happy sickness in the world. Cannot think of another.

If it makes them happy, why are they taking medicine and committing suicide at such a high rate?

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(10-02-2013 05:38 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 03:55 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  People would have to consider being gay a sickness if they are wanting to treat it.
Hate to say it, but it seems to make them happy, so guess it would be the only
happy sickness in the world. Cannot think of another.

If it makes them happy, why are they taking medicine and committing suicide at such a high rate?

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There is a higher incidence of suicide amongst Gay persons, primarily among Gay teens. Much of it involves bullying. BUT, some of it is related to non-support of their sexual orientation.

Perhaps others in here can research the first Ex-Gay patient, discovered by the founder of the ex-Gay movement, George Rekers (subsequently found in the company of a rentboy) who based the first studies on the subject on his star test case, a child he named Kraig. Kraig committed suicide.

Which really is the bigger problem with the ex-Gay therapy movement. What it advocates is dangerous. Highly dangerous. That's why reparative therapy is condemned by every reputable Psychological Organization on planet Earth. Even in Russia and China!

Reparative Therapy is not science, its dangerous and, when used on someone unable to consent (e.g., the child of non-Gay supportive parents) bordering upon torture. It will be banned nationwide soon.

The issue of substance abuse is a trickier one. It has its genesis in several areas, the primary ones being the fact that Gay community centers are primarily bars and nightclubs and a total lack of prosecution and enforcement for those dealing drugs in our community. I find that lack of enforcement and prosecution a form of discrimination against our community and wish they'd start throwing those that deal poison in my community in prison.

If reparative therapy is dangerous and not science, why does the psychological community not come up with an approved therapy for those who want to change?

(10-02-2013 06:52 AM)Paul M Wrote:  If reparative therapy is dangerous and not science, why does the psychological community not come up with an approved therapy for those who want to change?

Because people aren't supposed to change their sexuality. It largely doesn't work and creates more problems with self esteem.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Have to admit that gays have taken that to heart.
Personally I find it disgusting, but I probably have
some habits they might think disgusting.
For instance, I smoke.

(10-02-2013 08:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 06:52 AM)Paul M Wrote:  If reparative therapy is dangerous and not science, why does the psychological community not come up with an approved therapy for those who want to change?

Because people aren't supposed to change their sexuality. It largely doesn't work and creates more problems with self esteem.

Yeah, it's a circular statement from the anti-gay marriage population. Is there an "approved therapy" for the inverse, where a heterosexual *wants* to change into a homosexual? I'm not talking about liberal establishment media/education bogeyman supposedly trying to convince kids to be homosexual. I'm talking about heading into a psychiatrist's office and saying, "I'm a male that's only attracted to women and I want to change that." Maybe it's just me, but that seems ludicrous on its face. That's essentially what some people here are trying to say to homosexuals. There is no such therapy because your sexual orientation (whether it's gay or straight) isn't a mental illness no matter how much some people want to characterize it as such.

(10-02-2013 10:23 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 08:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 06:52 AM)Paul M Wrote:  If reparative therapy is dangerous and not science, why does the psychological community not come up with an approved therapy for those who want to change?

Because people aren't supposed to change their sexuality. It largely doesn't work and creates more problems with self esteem.

Yeah, it's a circular statement from the anti-gay marriage population. Is there an "approved therapy" for the inverse, where a heterosexual *wants* to change into a homosexual? I'm not talking about liberal establishment media/education bogeyman supposedly trying to convince kids to be homosexual. I'm talking about heading into a psychiatrist's office and saying, "I'm a male that's only attracted to women and I want to change that." Maybe it's just me, but that seems ludicrous on its face. That's essentially what some people here are trying to say to homosexuals. There is no such therapy because your sexual orientation (whether it's gay or straight) isn't a mental illness no matter how much some people want to characterize it as such.

+1

(10-02-2013 08:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 06:52 AM)Paul M Wrote:  If reparative therapy is dangerous and not science, why does the psychological community not come up with an approved therapy for those who want to change?

Because people aren't supposed to change their sexuality. It largely doesn't work and creates more problems with self esteem.

Hmm, but your just peachy if someone wants to change their actual sex.

(10-02-2013 06:27 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 10:23 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 08:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 06:52 AM)Paul M Wrote:  If reparative therapy is dangerous and not science, why does the psychological community not come up with an approved therapy for those who want to change?

Because people aren't supposed to change their sexuality. It largely doesn't work and creates more problems with self esteem.

Yeah, it's a circular statement from the anti-gay marriage population. Is there an "approved therapy" for the inverse, where a heterosexual *wants* to change into a homosexual? I'm not talking about liberal establishment media/education bogeyman supposedly trying to convince kids to be homosexual. I'm talking about heading into a psychiatrist's office and saying, "I'm a male that's only attracted to women and I want to change that." Maybe it's just me, but that seems ludicrous on its face. That's essentially what some people here are trying to say to homosexuals. There is no such therapy because your sexual orientation (whether it's gay or straight) isn't a mental illness no matter how much some people want to characterize it as such.

+1

Their are gays who want to change. Why so much hostility towards them?

(10-02-2013 09:07 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 06:27 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 10:23 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 08:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 06:52 AM)Paul M Wrote:  If reparative therapy is dangerous and not science, why does the psychological community not come up with an approved therapy for those who want to change?

Because people aren't supposed to change their sexuality. It largely doesn't work and creates more problems with self esteem.

Yeah, it's a circular statement from the anti-gay marriage population. Is there an "approved therapy" for the inverse, where a heterosexual *wants* to change into a homosexual? I'm not talking about liberal establishment media/education bogeyman supposedly trying to convince kids to be homosexual. I'm talking about heading into a psychiatrist's office and saying, "I'm a male that's only attracted to women and I want to change that." Maybe it's just me, but that seems ludicrous on its face. That's essentially what some people here are trying to say to homosexuals. There is no such therapy because your sexual orientation (whether it's gay or straight) isn't a mental illness no matter how much some people want to characterize it as such.

+1

Their are gays who want to change. Why so much hostility towards them?

First, how many would try to change if they didn't face societal hostility for being Gay? Somewhere around zero (which is kind of the number now). Many attempt to change as a result of parental or religious pressure.

Secondly, most ex-Gays become ex-ex-Gays. Many appear to be very scarred by the therapy. I wonder if more commit suicide than actually become straight.

Thirdly, the ex-Gay movement might have some credibility if they didn't support almost 100% anti-Gay policies such as legal firing of persons because they are gay, denial of equal pay for LGBT persons, denial of marriage equality, etc. The entire point of the ex-Gay movement appears to be fight against Gay equality. And they're funded by the worst bigots imaginable.

Bump

(10-02-2013 10:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 09:07 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 06:27 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 10:23 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 08:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Because people aren't supposed to change their sexuality. It largely doesn't work and creates more problems with self esteem.

Yeah, it's a circular statement from the anti-gay marriage population. Is there an "approved therapy" for the inverse, where a heterosexual *wants* to change into a homosexual? I'm not talking about liberal establishment media/education bogeyman supposedly trying to convince kids to be homosexual. I'm talking about heading into a psychiatrist's office and saying, "I'm a male that's only attracted to women and I want to change that." Maybe it's just me, but that seems ludicrous on its face. That's essentially what some people here are trying to say to homosexuals. There is no such therapy because your sexual orientation (whether it's gay or straight) isn't a mental illness no matter how much some people want to characterize it as such.

+1

Their are gays who want to change. Why so much hostility towards them?

First, how many would try to change if they didn't face societal hostility for being Gay? Somewhere around zero (which is kind of the number now). Many attempt to change as a result of parental or religious pressure.

Secondly, most ex-Gays become ex-ex-Gays. Many appear to be very scarred by the therapy. I wonder if more commit suicide than actually become straight.

Thirdly, the ex-Gay movement might have some credibility if they didn't support almost 100% anti-Gay policies such as legal firing of persons because they are gay, denial of equal pay for LGBT persons, denial of marriage equality, etc. The entire point of the ex-Gay movement appears to be fight against Gay equality. And they're funded by the worst bigots imaginable.

Bump.

(11-19-2013 04:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Thirdly, the ex-Gay movement might have some credibility if they didn't support almost 100% anti-Gay policies such as legal firing of persons because they are gay, denial of equal pay for LGBT persons, denial of marriage equality, etc. The entire point of the ex-Gay movement appears to be fight against Gay equality. And they're funded by the worst bigots imaginable.

Tom, Tom, you've become a faulty GPS. Trying to guide people with misleading direction toward all of these ex gay movements you constantly bring up as if they're everywhere laying in wait to brainwash gays, but that in reality barely exist.

I don't know anyone personally wanting to pay gays less than other workers, because they're gay. And you probably don't either. But maybe you can point to some blog or post about it-- Right?

(11-19-2013 04:32 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 04:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Thirdly, the ex-Gay movement might have some credibility if they didn't support almost 100% anti-Gay policies such as legal firing of persons because they are gay, denial of equal pay for LGBT persons, denial of marriage equality, etc. The entire point of the ex-Gay movement appears to be fight against Gay equality. And they're funded by the worst bigots imaginable.

Tom, Tom, you've become a faulty GPS. Trying to guide people with misleading direction toward all of these ex gay movements you constantly bring up as if they're everywhere laying in wait to brainwash gays, but that in reality barely exist.

I don't know anyone personally wanting to pay gays less than other workers, because they're gay. And you probably don't either. But maybe you can point to some blog or post about it-- Right?

There are many companies that pay Gays less than straight persons for equal work. Chick-Fil-A is one. Benefits paid to straights but denied to Gays constitute less compensation. So do many taxpayer subsidized hospitals and Universities, who also engage in overt employment discrimination. Its widespread.

(10-01-2013 11:08 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(10-01-2013 11:00 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  "Don we now our gay apparel"

Looks like Mr. (or Ms.) Garrison.

(11-19-2013 04:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 04:32 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 04:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Thirdly, the ex-Gay movement might have some credibility if they didn't support almost 100% anti-Gay policies such as legal firing of persons because they are gay, denial of equal pay for LGBT persons, denial of marriage equality, etc. The entire point of the ex-Gay movement appears to be fight against Gay equality. And they're funded by the worst bigots imaginable.

Tom, Tom, you've become a faulty GPS. Trying to guide people with misleading direction toward all of these ex gay movements you constantly bring up as if they're everywhere laying in wait to brainwash gays, but that in reality barely exist.

I don't know anyone personally wanting to pay gays less than other workers, because they're gay. And you probably don't either. But maybe you can point to some blog or post about it-- Right?

There are many companies that pay Gays less than straight persons for equal work. Chick-Fil-A is one. Benefits paid to straights but denied to Gays constitute less compensation. So do many taxpayer subsidized hospitals and Universities, who also engage in overt employment discrimination. Its widespread.

You didn't answer my question. Then again, maybe you did (admitted that you can't prove what you claimed after all, by not giving any proof).

Let's ask this another way... Tell me how gays as a class of people, are discriminated against more than heterosexuals, when it comes to pay, after reading this: http://www.queerty.com/survey-gays-earn-...-20121207/

(10-01-2013 08:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-01-2013 10:56 AM)Smaug Wrote:  The sweeties are a real bee in your bonnet, aren't they?

Ever Respect is not obsessed with Sick men like I am. I speak about issues that affect me, a Sick man. Ever Respect cherrypicks in order to attempt to denigrate the rights of Sick men to live their lives free of discrimination. I really would love to suck him off one day.

F*cking racist.

(10-01-2013 12:02 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Isn't the goal of the "gay rights movement" to establish equality with the other sexual orientations? If so, then the passage of DADT effectively concluded the fight - and I think we need to move on with life.

The only problem at this point is trying to deal with the anti-gay bullying taking place in schools. That's it - everything else is pretty much equal at this point.

Gay marriage? Marriage is a RELIGIOUS institution - and therefore the rules should be dictated by religious authorities and not civil authorities.

There is a reason civil unions exist in this country - and it's for things like this. If civil unions do not provide the protections that a marriage do, then the laws dictating what is civil union is/does should be reviewed.

As soon as states stop issuing marriage certificates, then marriage can actually be only a religious institution.

(11-19-2013 04:47 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 04:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 04:32 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 04:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Thirdly, the ex-Gay movement might have some credibility if they didn't support almost 100% anti-Gay policies such as legal firing of persons because they are gay, denial of equal pay for LGBT persons, denial of marriage equality, etc. The entire point of the ex-Gay movement appears to be fight against Gay equality. And they're funded by the worst bigots imaginable.

Tom, Tom, you've become a faulty GPS. Trying to guide people with misleading direction toward all of these ex gay movements you constantly bring up as if they're everywhere laying in wait to brainwash gays, but that in reality barely exist.

I don't know anyone personally wanting to pay gays less than other workers, because they're gay. And you probably don't either. But maybe you can point to some blog or post about it-- Right?

There are many companies that pay Gays less than straight persons for equal work. Chick-Fil-A is one. Benefits paid to straights but denied to Gays constitute less compensation. So do many taxpayer subsidized hospitals and Universities, who also engage in overt employment discrimination. Its widespread.

You didn't answer my question. Then again, maybe you did (admitted that you can't prove what you claimed after all, by not giving any proof).

Let's ask this another way... Tell me how gays as a class of people, are discriminated against more than heterosexuals, when it comes to pay, after reading this: http://www.queerty.com/survey-gays-earn-...-20121207/

There are poor Gays. And they tend to be less visible, so they're harder to reach or count in surveys. I'd love to know how they're going to find the LGBT community in Mississippi or Alabama for example. My guess is that they simply went to NYC and SF and polled people at Gay bars patronized largely by upper class white Gay men.

(11-19-2013 04:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 04:47 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 04:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 04:32 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 04:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Thirdly, the ex-Gay movement might have some credibility if they didn't support almost 100% anti-Gay policies such as legal firing of persons because they are gay, denial of equal pay for LGBT persons, denial of marriage equality, etc. The entire point of the ex-Gay movement appears to be fight against Gay equality. And they're funded by the worst bigots imaginable.

Tom, Tom, you've become a faulty GPS. Trying to guide people with misleading direction toward all of these ex gay movements you constantly bring up as if they're everywhere laying in wait to brainwash gays, but that in reality barely exist.

I don't know anyone personally wanting to pay gays less than other workers, because they're gay. And you probably don't either. But maybe you can point to some blog or post about it-- Right?

There are many companies that pay Gays less than straight persons for equal work. Chick-Fil-A is one. Benefits paid to straights but denied to Gays constitute less compensation. So do many taxpayer subsidized hospitals and Universities, who also engage in overt employment discrimination. Its widespread.

You didn't answer my question. Then again, maybe you did (admitted that you can't prove what you claimed after all, by not giving any proof).

Let's ask this another way... Tell me how gays as a class of people, are discriminated against more than heterosexuals, when it comes to pay, after reading this: http://www.queerty.com/survey-gays-earn-...-20121207/

There are poor Gays. And they tend to be less visible, so they're harder to reach or count in surveys. I'd love to know how they're going to find the LGBT community in Mississippi or Alabama for example. My guess is that they simply went to NYC and SF and polled people at Gay bars patronized largely by upper class white Gay men.

Can you give any hard evidence?

Uh, on second thought, let me ask this a different way. Can you give any proof do dispute what you're contending flies in the face of this CNN Money study, and not just your conjecture about it?