(09-30-2013 01:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:13 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:08 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so am i the only one who thinks ECU has one of the worst mascots/logos in the ncaa????

Stanford is one of the most prestigous schools in the country and they have a big stupid ugly tree walking around. Hard to beat that as the dumbest.

stanford: its dumb, its ugly, but its unique and their signature.

the problem with pirate is that its dumb & ugly, but more importantly that its a very common mascot associated mostly with high schools

it demotes ECU and looks cheesy imo.

I like the pirate. It's history... Just ask Capt Jack Sparrow.... we all need to stop being so damned politically correct.

(09-30-2013 01:08 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so am i the only one who thinks ECU has one of the worst mascots/logos in the ncaa????

How could someone not like this logo?


https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+...B600%3B449


That logo was recently voted 2nd best in the Nation, behind LSU's. That Pirate skull painted inside of the State of North Carolina is liked so much that other schools (ODU, JMU and a coupe of others) have just ripped it off as their own. Television commentators are always mentioning how nice the logo is.

You need to get a job; move out of your mom's basement; actually talk to a real life woman (other than your mom) and then get laid by a real woman. If you can't do any of those things, then at least stop creating stupid threads.

(09-30-2013 01:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:13 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:08 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so am i the only one who thinks ECU has one of the worst mascots/logos in the ncaa????

Stanford is one of the most prestigous schools in the country and they have a big stupid ugly tree walking around. Hard to beat that as the dumbest.

stanford: its dumb, its ugly, but its unique and their signature.

the problem with pirate is that its dumb & ugly, but more importantly that its a very common mascot associated mostly with high schools

it demotes ECU and looks cheesy imo.

Unlike most schools who claim the moniker, East Carolina (the region) has great historical reason to claim "Pirates" as mascots. I don't think their mascot is an issue. And as far as all black uniforms they have become cliche at too many schools. I personally find nothing wrong with the mascot they selected or its depictions. I do think everyone's uniform variations are distracting, lead to unclear identity when just passing by the tube and glancing at the screen for a score, and detracts from the schools utilizing them having a clear, recognizable, and distinct image. It's just a cheap merchandising gimmick. But hey, I'm an old guy, and the young folks seem to like it so take it for what it's worth.

pirate is simply not a college sports term. i think raiders or buc's would be a much better choice if they do indeed have a history with pirates.

as for the logo. i think it looks like a cartoon character and putting the skull & bones on a helmet is too childish for a FBS team.

(09-30-2013 01:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:13 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:08 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so am i the only one who thinks ECU has one of the worst mascots/logos in the ncaa????

Stanford is one of the most prestigous schools in the country and they have a big stupid ugly tree walking around. Hard to beat that as the dumbest.

stanford: its dumb, its ugly, but its unique and their signature.

the problem with pirate is that its dumb & ugly, but more importantly that its a very common mascot associated mostly with high schools

it demotes ECU and looks cheesy imo.

Unlike most schools who claim the moniker, East Carolina (the region) has great historical reason to claim "Pirates" as mascots. I don't think their mascot is an issue. And as far as all black uniforms they have become cliche at too many schools. I personally find nothing wrong with the mascot they selected or its depictions. I do think everyone's uniform variations are distracting, lead to unclear identity when just passing by the tube and glancing at the screen for a score, and detracts from the schools utilizing them having a clear, recognizable, and distinct image. It's just a cheap merchandising gimmick. But hey, I'm an old guy, and the young folks seem to like it so take it for what it's worth.

The college unis have gotten totally out of hand. I hope it is just a trend, just like long hair covering the name and number of the jerseys. Looks completely stupid.

(09-30-2013 01:32 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:08 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so am i the only one who thinks ECU has one of the worst mascots/logos in the ncaa????

How could someone not like this logo?


https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+...B600%3B449


That logo was recently voted 2nd best in the Nation, behind LSU's. That Pirate skull painted inside of the State of North Carolina is liked so much that other schools (ODU, JMU and a coupe of others) have just ripped it off as their own. Television commentators are always mentioning how nice the logo is.

You need to get a job; move out of your mom's basement; actually talk to a real life woman (other than your mom) and then get laid by a real woman. If you can't do any of those things, then at least stop creating stupid threads.

John's posts are getting worse and worse. He probably knows nothing of North Carolina history relative to Pirates, The Outer Banks.

The Pirate Mascot is about perfect for ECU, and historically interesting.

(09-30-2013 01:39 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:32 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:08 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so am i the only one who thinks ECU has one of the worst mascots/logos in the ncaa????

How could someone not like this logo?


https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+...B600%3B449


That logo was recently voted 2nd best in the Nation, behind LSU's. That Pirate skull painted inside of the State of North Carolina is liked so much that other schools (ODU, JMU and a coupe of others) have just ripped it off as their own. Television commentators are always mentioning how nice the logo is.

You need to get a job; move out of your mom's basement; actually talk to a real life woman (other than your mom) and then get laid by a real woman. If you can't do any of those things, then at least stop creating stupid threads.

John's posts are getting worse and worse. He probably knows nothing of North Carolina history relative to Pirates, The Outer Banks.

The Pirate Mascot is about perfect for ECU, and historically interesting.

im entitled to my opinion. i dont dislike the mascot. just its name. i think raiders or buc's would be much better

(09-30-2013 01:40 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:39 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:32 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:08 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so am i the only one who thinks ECU has one of the worst mascots/logos in the ncaa????

How could someone not like this logo?


https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+...B600%3B449


That logo was recently voted 2nd best in the Nation, behind LSU's. That Pirate skull painted inside of the State of North Carolina is liked so much that other schools (ODU, JMU and a coupe of others) have just ripped it off as their own. Television commentators are always mentioning how nice the logo is.

You need to get a job; move out of your mom's basement; actually talk to a real life woman (other than your mom) and then get laid by a real woman. If you can't do any of those things, then at least stop creating stupid threads.

John's posts are getting worse and worse. He probably knows nothing of North Carolina history relative to Pirates, The Outer Banks.

The Pirate Mascot is about perfect for ECU, and historically interesting.

im entitled to my opinion. i dont dislike the mascot. just its name. i think raiders or buc's would be much better

Why do you dislike the name? A Buccaneer is a Pirate. A Raider does not have to be a Pirate. You are making no sense.

(09-30-2013 12:22 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 12:17 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  How about Carolina University? That sounds more legitimate than NC Tech...

That does sound better....

(09-30-2013 01:08 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so am i the only one who thinks ECU has one of the worst mascots/logos in the ncaa????

Dude… don’t try and twist what bitcruncher and I posted.... It had nothing to do with the ECU mascot and logo. The above post pertained to ECU changing its name. However, I have no problem with the name, and it has a unique nickname and mascot when it comes to FBS. It seems you’re determined to get this thread closed like others that you’ve hijacked. Please stop this tired act….

Btw... Will a Mod please pm him to stop hijacking threads.... Thank you!!!

(09-30-2013 01:48 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:40 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:39 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:32 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:08 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so am i the only one who thinks ECU has one of the worst mascots/logos in the ncaa????

How could someone not like this logo?


https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+...B600%3B449


That logo was recently voted 2nd best in the Nation, behind LSU's. That Pirate skull painted inside of the State of North Carolina is liked so much that other schools (ODU, JMU and a coupe of others) have just ripped it off as their own. Television commentators are always mentioning how nice the logo is.

You need to get a job; move out of your mom's basement; actually talk to a real life woman (other than your mom) and then get laid by a real woman. If you can't do any of those things, then at least stop creating stupid threads.

John's posts are getting worse and worse. He probably knows nothing of North Carolina history relative to Pirates, The Outer Banks.

The Pirate Mascot is about perfect for ECU, and historically interesting.

im entitled to my opinion. i dont dislike the mascot. just its name. i think raiders or buc's would be much better

Why do you dislike the name? A Buccaneer is a Pirate. A Raider does not have to be a Pirate. You are making no sense.

raider is actually a pirate. and i dislike the name because only high schools, minor league teams, & the worst big league franchise use's it.

its a weak name that degrades ECU IMO

(09-30-2013 01:40 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:39 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:32 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:08 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so am i the only one who thinks ECU has one of the worst mascots/logos in the ncaa????

How could someone not like this logo?


https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+...B600%3B449


That logo was recently voted 2nd best in the Nation, behind LSU's. That Pirate skull painted inside of the State of North Carolina is liked so much that other schools (ODU, JMU and a coupe of others) have just ripped it off as their own. Television commentators are always mentioning how nice the logo is.

You need to get a job; move out of your mom's basement; actually talk to a real life woman (other than your mom) and then get laid by a real woman. If you can't do any of those things, then at least stop creating stupid threads.

John's posts are getting worse and worse. He probably knows nothing of North Carolina history relative to Pirates, The Outer Banks.

The Pirate Mascot is about perfect for ECU, and historically interesting.

im entitled to my opinion. i dont dislike the mascot. just its name. i think raiders or buc's would be much better

John you started this thread by mocking a beloved institution of many posters on this board. That goes beyond merely conveying an opinion. In real society, as opposed to cyber society, that would be called inciting a riot and if your intent to start such a response was discernible you could be arrested for it. While such actions on a talk board are not quite as significant (only because cyber mobs assaulting you will not actually cause bodily harm) it is still a trend to your threads that is establishing the discernible intent that you have less than genuine motives for discussion behind those threads.

If we had emoticons for pitchforks and torches complete with tar and feathers and ECU posters cyber lynched you I would acquit them.

I'll monitor this thread just a while longer. If it doesn't improve in quality of discussion, and in due consideration of others and what they cherish, and treat the feigned subject matter with more respect I'll be forced to close it.

The top rule in conference realignment: think like a university president instead of a sports fan.

ECU is pretty good (or at least consistent) in the metrics that fans care about, namely performance on-the-field and attendance.

Unfortunately for ECU, those metrics aren't the most important ones for university presidents... and those are the people that make the decisions. For the conferences that have true poaching ability like the Big Ten and SEC, they want academic prestige, TV markets and/or national brand names off-the-field. That's why ECU got constantly passed over by the old Big East/current AAC until the league basically had few other options and why they're an unrealistic candidate for the SEC. It also hurts that ECU is located in North Carolina, which is arguably the most competitive college sports market in the country. The SEC doesn't want to add any random in North Carolina for the sake of being in North Carolina - it really wants UNC, Duke and/or NC State. (They'd probably pass on Wake Forest, although they are a strong academic school for undergrad.) Likewise, the SEC never wanted any random school in the state of Texas - they were only going to move for either UT or Texas A&M. They had no desire to add Texas Tech (who is a very good comparison to ECU regarding accomplishments on-the-field, academics rankings, and location), TCU, Baylor or anyone else. The SEC may not seem as snobbish as the Big Ten, but they are every bit as elitist when it comes to their expansion decisions and branding. The fact that a school like Mississippi State got lucky by joining the SEC many years ago is irrelevant to expansion decisions today, where you need to bring in Texas A&M or Missouri-type TV market, academic prestige and brand value to be a viable candidate.

(09-30-2013 01:29 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  You missed the argument... it was said that "what would a student at UVA or Duke have in common with that crowd at Alabama, LSU, Mississippi, Arkansas, etc? certainly not SAT grades." All of the SEC schools listed are better academic schools than Louisville. So, it cannot be argued that UVA or Duke would not move to the SEC because they do not have academics in common with the bottom schools if the ACC is voluntarily adding a program that is weaker than any SEC school (Alabama is a top 80 school, by the way, which is higher than several ACC schools, but I digress...). I'm not arguing for or against Louisville; I'm just pointing out that the ACC can no longer use the academic standard argument like they used to. Again, Louisville is lower ranked academically than any SEC school in history other than Sewanee. They haven't been in the conference for a few years, though.

Your point is a good one, although I'm sure some of the crowd at Dook and company is undoubtedly holding its nose and praying that UL really follows through on raising its academic profile.

My prior response really goes more to the original question regarding whether ECU should be invited to the SEC. ECU is not a bad school academically, but the profile of the SEC members is state flagships and land grants. There is a reason for this. Part of it is academic, but part of it is that state flagships and land grants have large statewide followings and tend to produce a disproportionate percentage of business leaders in a given state - both of which feed the cash necessary to compete at the P5 level. ECU, despite its great attendance, generates only $12 million per year in football revenue, as compared to Syracuse, for instance, which has worse attendance but generates $29 million. This difference is not driven by TV or bowl money, it's ticket revenue and contributions. A school within a state is always going to be at a disadvantage as compared to one that fits one of the P5 profiles that I list above.

(09-30-2013 01:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:13 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:08 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so am i the only one who thinks ECU has one of the worst mascots/logos in the ncaa????

Stanford is one of the most prestigous schools in the country and they have a big stupid ugly tree walking around. Hard to beat that as the dumbest.

stanford: its dumb, its ugly, but its unique and their signature.

the problem with pirate is that its dumb & ugly, but more importantly that its a very common mascot associated mostly with high schools

it demotes ECU and looks cheesy imo.

In case you were unaware, artistic evaluation is strictly subjective. So your opinion on the matter isn't really relevant...

For all we know, your artistic judgement could suck. There's no way to tell without knowing more about your artistic tastes...

And with that, we close this thread. I've had enough of this crap...