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Federated sports governance.
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Quote:"Federated" governance may be considered: One concept floating around the meetings would be to reform the NCAA into an organization akin to the U.S. Olympic Committee, where each sport has some autonomy to deal with its unique issues. Though it's unclear exactly how that would work, especially because television deals are filtered through conferences, not the NCAA, there's some consensus that governing football and men's basketball by the same set of rules as, say, tennis no longer makes much sense.

Breaking this into its own thread because I think it's an interesting idea--curious what the consequences would be for the semi-lucrative sports like baseball, lax and hockey. Also wanted a bit of a corrective to the idea that "D4" is going to necessarily involve much more than football.
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RE: Federated sports governance.
Would be a nightmare when it comes to title XI...

And make no mistake the desires for things like full cost of attendance are *not* going to be restricted to football.
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RE: Federated sports governance.
Definitely a contrast to the principles of that white paper. That is anything but simple.

Would you have to have one compliance officer for each sport?
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RE: Federated sports governance.
(09-25-2013 12:49 PM)justinslot Wrote:  Wolken:

Quote:"Federated" governance may be considered: One concept floating around the meetings would be to reform the NCAA into an organization akin to the U.S. Olympic Committee, where each sport has some autonomy to deal with its unique issues. Though it's unclear exactly how that would work, especially because television deals are filtered through conferences, not the NCAA, there's some consensus that governing football and men's basketball by the same set of rules as, say, tennis no longer makes much sense.

Breaking this into its own thread because I think it's an interesting idea--curious what the consequences would be for the semi-lucrative sports like baseball, lax and hockey. Also wanted a bit of a corrective to the idea that "D4" is going to necessarily involve much more than football.

D4 is going to involve more than football for the simple reason of stipends. You can't just give stipends in football and be in compliance with Title-9. At a minimum, you would have to give the same number of womens athletes receive the stipend. More likely, stipends in football would mean stipends in all D-4 sports.
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RE: Federated sports governance.
(09-25-2013 01:26 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Would be a nightmare when it comes to title XI...

And make no mistake the desires for things like full cost of attendance are *not* going to be restricted to football.

I'm not sure Title IX poses any distinct problem for a USOC-style reorganization by sport. Or cost of attendance, which could be decided on a sport by sport basis.
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RE: Federated sports governance.
(09-25-2013 02:27 PM)justinslot Wrote:  
(09-25-2013 01:26 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Would be a nightmare when it comes to title XI...

And make no mistake the desires for things like full cost of attendance are *not* going to be restricted to football.

I'm not sure Title IX poses any distinct problem for a USOC-style reorganization by sport. Or cost of attendance, which could be decided on a sport by sport basis.

It does for D-4 playing football schools. The large number of male scholarships featuring stipends will virtually require that all its sports be played at the D-4 level. For small schools that play non-stpend football or don't have football teams at all, I suppose it would be possible to just play mens and womens basketball at the D-4 level, and leave all other sports in D-1.
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RE: Federated sports governance.
(09-25-2013 02:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-25-2013 02:27 PM)justinslot Wrote:  
(09-25-2013 01:26 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Would be a nightmare when it comes to title XI...

And make no mistake the desires for things like full cost of attendance are *not* going to be restricted to football.

I'm not sure Title IX poses any distinct problem for a USOC-style reorganization by sport. Or cost of attendance, which could be decided on a sport by sport basis.

It does for D-4 playing football schools. The large number of male scholarships featuring stipends will virtually require that all its sports be played at the D-4 level. For small schools that play non-stpend football or don't have football teams at all, I suppose it would be possible to just play mens and womens basketball at the D-4 level, and leave all other sports in D-1.

Stipends don't pose any particular problem for a federated by sport NCAA, though, is my point. Scholarship football schools are going to have a Title IX imbalance they have to work out no matter how the NCAA is organized.
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RE: Federated sports governance.
(09-25-2013 03:09 PM)justinslot Wrote:  
(09-25-2013 02:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-25-2013 02:27 PM)justinslot Wrote:  
(09-25-2013 01:26 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Would be a nightmare when it comes to title XI...

And make no mistake the desires for things like full cost of attendance are *not* going to be restricted to football.

I'm not sure Title IX poses any distinct problem for a USOC-style reorganization by sport. Or cost of attendance, which could be decided on a sport by sport basis.

It does for D-4 playing football schools. The large number of male scholarships featuring stipends will virtually require that all its sports be played at the D-4 level. For small schools that play non-stpend football or don't have football teams at all, I suppose it would be possible to just play mens and womens basketball at the D-4 level, and leave all other sports in D-1.

Stipends don't pose any particular problem for a federated by sport NCAA, though, is my point. Scholarship football schools are going to have a Title IX imbalance they have to work out no matter how the NCAA is organized.

Im not sure it makes much difference. The NCAA problems seem to be less between sports and more of an unsolvable divide between how the rich and poor schools see things. That said, if federating the sports irons out some dumb rules--have at it.
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RE: Federated sports governance.
(09-25-2013 02:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  Definitely a contrast to the principles of that white paper. That is anything but simple.

Would you have to have one compliance officer for each sport?

That's an interesting question...I'm sure certain sports would get one and some would share, depending on their revenueness.
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RE: Federated sports governance.
(09-25-2013 02:27 PM)justinslot Wrote:  
(09-25-2013 01:26 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Would be a nightmare when it comes to title XI...

And make no mistake the desires for things like full cost of attendance are *not* going to be restricted to football.

I'm not sure Title IX poses any distinct problem for a USOC-style reorganization by sport. Or cost of attendance, which could be decided on a sport by sport basis.

There are lawsuits and the threat of lawsuits *both* will change potential behavior by any corporate body worth a salt..

Why will the P5 and G5 break away together? A brand spanking new contract between the 10 parties which will be the basis of a painful suit.

Why does full cost of attendance have to apply (at the very least) to a similar number of female athletes as it does the number of men on a football team? Because even if you win the cost of litigation would cost more than just giving the FCA to women as well.
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RE: Federated sports governance.
I vote no. The last thing we need is another layer of bureaucracy. Not only will you have to deal with the NCAA and its inertia but you will have to deal with the College Football Association, the College basketball Association, etc. Each of those associations will need funding. Unlike the Olympics, there won't be a rush of corporate sponsers...unless you are willing to replace jersey numbers with golden arches or a Visa logo. Every school will need an AD just to deal with that sports association. This is a big money pit with no viable ROI.
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RE: Federated sports governance.
(09-25-2013 03:09 PM)justinslot Wrote:  
(09-25-2013 02:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(09-25-2013 02:27 PM)justinslot Wrote:  
(09-25-2013 01:26 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Would be a nightmare when it comes to title XI...

And make no mistake the desires for things like full cost of attendance are *not* going to be restricted to football.

I'm not sure Title IX poses any distinct problem for a USOC-style reorganization by sport. Or cost of attendance, which could be decided on a sport by sport basis.

It does for D-4 playing football schools. The large number of male scholarships featuring stipends will virtually require that all its sports be played at the D-4 level. For small schools that play non-stpend football or don't have football teams at all, I suppose it would be possible to just play mens and womens basketball at the D-4 level, and leave all other sports in D-1.

Stipends don't pose any particular problem for a federated by sport NCAA, though, is my point. Scholarship football schools are going to have a Title IX imbalance they have to work out no matter how the NCAA is organized.

It's possible that there might not be a Title 9 problem if they're set up as seperate programs. Do you think that schools check Title 9 compliance for every type of academic scholarship? Of course not, because there are a decent number of scholarships that are female-only.

Title 9 says:
" No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance..."
Actually, looking at the law as it was written, I'm shocked that it's been carried to its current level of ridiculousness.
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RE: Federated sports governance.
(09-26-2013 06:21 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  It's possible that there might not be a Title 9 problem if they're set up as seperate programs. Do you think that schools check Title 9 compliance for every type of academic scholarship? Of course not, because there are a decent number of scholarships that are female-only.

You can be damn sure schools do make sure they check for every program...

Quote:Title 9 says:
" No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance..."
Actually, looking at the law as it was written, I'm shocked that it's been carried to its current level of ridiculousness.

What the law says and how it has been enforced are two different things. But its been done to appease people enough to not sue.
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