TerryD
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RE: NCAA to restore PSU Scholarships
(09-25-2013 03:00 PM)bullet Wrote: (09-25-2013 10:01 AM)TerryD Wrote: (09-25-2013 07:59 AM)bullet Wrote: (09-25-2013 07:10 AM)TerryD Wrote: (09-25-2013 03:32 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote: You don't understand the quote.
OSU--free tattoos and benefits
USC--free money and agents running amuck
UNC--fake classes for dumb athletes
NCAA jurisdiction...NCAA penalties
PSU--administrative failure to protect children
USA laws...USA legal penalties (jail, etc.)
Baylor didn't get sanctioned for a murdered player...ND didn't get sanctioned for poor judgment on a windy day...
The NCAA should have never been involved. Legal experts said this 14 months ago...brave journalists wrote this 14 months ago...
You act like this "administrative failure" (i.e. cover up) was a single, isolated act of negligence, sort of an accident, like a rear end collision (sorry, no pun was really intended).
You seem to imply that this was a single, isolated, unintentional, accidental thing at Penn State. A one time thing. Something that began and ended in a single day.
Nothing from 1998 to 2011 was calculated, thought out, considered, mulled over, talked about or intentionally hidden/suppressed/swept under the rug. There was no prior knowledge or suspicion that Jerry Sandusky liked to rape small boys.
This was a one time surprise that caught everyone unaware and shocked them so much, it shocked them into....doing nothing.
You seem to think that this would have been handled the same way at Penn State if it were a janitor or a non-football employee caught in the act of anal rape of a small child in a shower.
The fact that Sandusky was a former DC of the football team, with continued special access to football facilities, was caught raping a boy by an assistant coach, who did nothing to stop the young kid from getting raped and waited a day to report it to the head coach.......that has nothing to do with anything, that none of this had its basis in covering up these child sexual abuse activities to protect Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program from damage/harm?
Do you really believe that? If so, it appears to me that many people in America do not share your view.
That being said, the reduction of sanctions by the NCAA does not surprise me.
Where was your outrage about Notre Dame putting football ahead of the safety of the student in the lift (and there is no dispute about the priorities there)?
Where was your outrage over the callous disregard of sexual assault charges by the police of Notre Dame University (University police, not city/county police) that contributed to a young lady committing suicide?
Where was your concern about repeated disregard of rapes by football players as alleged by two women at the time of the previous incident?
Sorry, but if you are a Notre Dame fan you look really hypocritical complaining about Penn St. unless you first criticize your own school.
I have no "outrage" about Penn State. I never did. So, your thesis is totally wrong from the start.
Second, that ND university police response regarding Lizzy Seeberg was within two weeks, not 13 years. I am not certain there was any "callous disregard" there.
She alleged that a player touched her breast. She made some other allegations that her own phone records and the statements of others disputed/cast doubt upon.
Certainly, she was not seen being raped by an assistant coach who reported it to Brian Kelly who....
Certainly, not the level of Penn State's cover up. Oranges (ND) and rotten apples (PSU).
Lizzy tried to commit suicide at the University of Dayton the year before.
Why did she attempt suicide at Dayton?
That is why her family had her transfer to St. Mary's College in the first place.
So, I am not certain that the university police at ND "contributed" to the poor girl's suicide. Does anyone?
Any board psychiatrists ever interview her?
Third, what "repeated disregard of rapes"?
Google Cooper Rego and Abe Elam. Try Lorenzo Crawford, too.
There is a fairly long list of ND players who were administratively expelled by ND and barred from campus after allegations of sexual misconduct.
ND has a history of little tolerance for that back to Ross Browner and Luther Bradley in 1974. They suspended their two best defensive players for those (never proven) allegations back then.
Those guys were expelled prior to criminal charges (they were all found not guilty but one (Elam) who pled guilty). None of this "wait until the criminal process is concluded" BS.
In fact, I can recall criticism by non-ND fans that ND was too hasty in its administrative hearing process and expulsion of those players. There were claims at the time that ND was too "old fashioned" in its Code of Conduct as set forth in du Lac.
WVU fans were outraged that ND would not let Cooper Rego back on its campus when WVU last visited ND.
The Declan Sullivan incident was a true, one time, negligence thing. I wrote my post because the Penn State fan was trying to compare the two situations as a negligent, one time event.
ND has taken steps (a statue) to honor the memory of Declan and has funded a scholarship in his name.
They have the approval of the Sullivan family for all that they have done in response to this accident.
I have no "outrage" about anything that happens in college football, or sports at all, for that matter. In fact, I don't recall having any "outrage" about anything in my life, for that matter.
I just responded to what appeared to be an attempt to make the Penn State matter a one time, "accidental negligence" type of thing.
Just to be clear about poster requirements, we have to be fans of a program who has never done one thing wrong to comment on the actions of other programs, correct?
The allegations made specifically by 2 women was that they themselves and other women were raped by Notre Dame players in the 2000s and that the university police refused to investigate. What happened to Ms. Seeberg with the intimidation (and the misinformation on her) are what's disturbing, as noted in this article from a Notre Dame grad:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-...otre-dame/
So right, the alleged assault, the threatening texts, the delay of the police in investigating, none of that had any impact on her. I said it contributed to her suicide. Anybody with common sense and not in denial can see that. How much, who knows.
This article from the National Catholic reporter actually shows some of the threatening texts and talks of intimidation of the reporter:
http://ncronline.org/news/accountability...ns-answers
Here's one paragraph which is very disturbing with a quote (ND in the paragraph denies it):
Not even Notre Dame argues that her death spurred the pace of the investigation; on the contrary, officials put her death on the list of the factors they say prevented police from interviewing the player sooner. But a former Notre Dame Security Police officer who specialized in sexual assault cases said such delays are not quite as inexplicable as they might seem, since the university effectively makes it more difficult to investigate student athletes by barring police from going through the athletic department. "That's an order," said Pat Cottrell, who before he retired in 2009 was with Notre Dame Security Police for 19 years, and with the South Bend Police Department for 20 years before that. "Just a regular Joe, if they were working a job on campus, I could go there and say, 'Hey, I need to talk to you.' " But when an athlete is involved, he said, "if they don't respond, they don't respond, and that makes it harder to do your job." Notre Dame's statement said athletes get no special treatment, and police shouldn't in any case have to go through the Athletic Department.
If you read less sympathetic reports like the Huffington Post, the comments are a lot more negative and less balanced than these two which are not flattering to Notre Dame's culture.
Its all pretty disturbing. Its not all substantiated like Penn St. or Montana, but there are a lot of different allegations by different people.
So, how do you explain the suspensions and expulsions of ND athletes going back to the Seventies?
You seem to skip over all of that. A large number of these guys were never convicted of any crimes but kicked out by ND nonetheless.
(This post was last modified: 09-25-2013 03:37 PM by TerryD.)
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