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(09-23-2013 10:23 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Alabama did it for 1 week. They've already beaten a decent VT team and a very good Texas A&M team.

Who exactly has Michigan beaten? A ND team that is average at best? Then 3 cupcakes. I don't know a single team ranked ahead of Michigan right now that they could beat.
OU

a poor showing against a terrible WVU team?
tulsa who kept the score close for the 1st half
their best showing was la-monroe

oh and guess who they play next
Another winning post, dude... 03-banghead

The Belldozer didn't start against WVU, and it was only after their freshman proved ineffective WVU that Bell was given the starting job. The Oklahoma team that faced WVU isn't the same Sooner team playing today...

I wish it were otherwise. But it isn't. Now you have 2 feet in your mouth...

How does that toe jam taste?
so by that logic then syracuse is undefeated cuz they switched QBs........
Lame, dude. Very lame. Syracuse would have won their last 2 games no matter who was QB. I could have led them to victory, and I can barely run or throw these days...

Syracuse's last 2 games were against Wagner and Tulane. Let's see the new guy play someone with a pulse first...

The other QB did play someone decent, unlike the new guy, and he failed against Penn State and Northwestern, 2 pretty good programs. The new guy most likely have the same fate when the Orange play Clemson on Saturday, and Clemson is far better than anyone Syracuse has played to date...

the new guy had a very good showing against northwestern. we put him in in the 2nd half and he racked up most of our pt totals
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(09-23-2013 12:47 PM)sundodger Wrote:  This thread is one of the many reasons that pre-season polls should not exist, and why media/coaches polling should not begin until October...

Let teams get games under their belts before you try ranking them...

The thing is, the OPS point contradicts that 100%. He's saying it's wrong that Michigan has dropped despite winning.
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(09-23-2013 12:48 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(09-23-2013 12:09 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
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(09-23-2013 09:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Nope, that has never been the standard. Pollsters have always looked at how impressive a team is. Heck, Alabama won by 25 points and yet 4 voters switched and made Oregon their #1 this week.

And Louisville won their game by *70* points, and yet dropped from 6 to 7 behind LSU because LSU beat a much stronger opponent.

What is happening with Michigan is nothing new.

FWIW, despite the close calls, and the very generous home officiating versus Notre Dame, I think you guys are pretty good. I would rank you at about #12 right now.

are you kidding me?

so asu didnt jump into the rankings after the most controversial win of the year? or bama didnt lose their #1 rankings despite two sub par showings this year?

Alabama also has a road win over the #6 team, and yet still has lost votes to Oregon.

If the refs don't give Michigan a gift PI call vs Notre Dame and if they throw a flag for PI against Michigan on the last play vs Akron, they probably lose both games. And Notre Dame was very lucky to beat Purdue and MSU. They are not any good.

Bottom line: Michigan has won 3/4 games by the skin of their teeth against a soft schedule. That impresses nobody. #18 is where you deserve to be, even though I think you are better than that.

I agree that ND is average or slightly above average so far this season, certainly not as good as last year's team. But "not any good"? I disagree with that.

ND is 3-1 this year, was 12-1 last year and has won 22 of its last 26 games going back to this point in time two years ago.

The four losses? Stanford and Florida State in 2011, Alabama in 2012 and Michigan in 2013. Nothing to be ashamed about there.

22-4 is not a bad record the past two years for a team that gets little respect and is "not any good". Lots of teams would like to be this "not good".

P.S. I agree that Michigan should not be ranked any higher than they currently are ranked.

Come on man... You're really still using the last 26 games? What about the other 3 losses in 2011? Anyways...

Purdue, 1-3, lost to ND by a TD.
Mich St, 3-1, lost to ND by 4 points. 3-1 is a good record, but the wins were against Youngstown, W. Mich, and USF. Ygstwn don't really count, and the combined record of the other two Mich St opponents is 0-7.


You are right. Lets just use 2012 and 2013, to date.

ND is 15-2 during that time period. Better?

If you want to use the entire Brian Kelly era, ND is 31-12. Is that ok?
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It sure beats the Charlie Weis era, Terry. His teams went steadily downhill, and Kelly's moving the Irish in the opposite direction...
(09-23-2013 01:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
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(09-23-2013 10:31 AM)john01992 Wrote:  OU

a poor showing against a terrible WVU team?
tulsa who kept the score close for the 1st half
their best showing was la-monroe

oh and guess who they play next
Another winning post, dude... 03-banghead

The Belldozer didn't start against WVU, and it was only after their freshman proved ineffective WVU that Bell was given the starting job. The Oklahoma team that faced WVU isn't the same Sooner team playing today...

I wish it were otherwise. But it isn't. Now you have 2 feet in your mouth...

How does that toe jam taste?
so by that logic then syracuse is undefeated cuz they switched QBs........
Lame, dude. Very lame. Syracuse would have won their last 2 games no matter who was QB. I could have led them to victory, and I can barely run or throw these days...

Syracuse's last 2 games were against Wagner and Tulane. Let's see the new guy play someone with a pulse first...

The other QB did play someone decent, unlike the new guy, and he failed against Penn State and Northwestern, 2 pretty good programs. The new guy most likely have the same fate when the Orange play Clemson on Saturday, and Clemson is far better than anyone Syracuse has played to date...
the new guy had a very good showing against northwestern. we put him in in the 2nd half and he racked up most of our pt totals
And he had a whopping 220 yards passing against mighty Tulane... 07-coffee3
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(09-23-2013 01:26 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(09-23-2013 12:48 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(09-23-2013 12:09 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(09-23-2013 11:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-23-2013 09:29 AM)john01992 Wrote:  are you kidding me?

so asu didnt jump into the rankings after the most controversial win of the year? or bama didnt lose their #1 rankings despite two sub par showings this year?

Alabama also has a road win over the #6 team, and yet still has lost votes to Oregon.

If the refs don't give Michigan a gift PI call vs Notre Dame and if they throw a flag for PI against Michigan on the last play vs Akron, they probably lose both games. And Notre Dame was very lucky to beat Purdue and MSU. They are not any good.

Bottom line: Michigan has won 3/4 games by the skin of their teeth against a soft schedule. That impresses nobody. #18 is where you deserve to be, even though I think you are better than that.

I agree that ND is average or slightly above average so far this season, certainly not as good as last year's team. But "not any good"? I disagree with that.

ND is 3-1 this year, was 12-1 last year and has won 22 of its last 26 games going back to this point in time two years ago.

The four losses? Stanford and Florida State in 2011, Alabama in 2012 and Michigan in 2013. Nothing to be ashamed about there.

22-4 is not a bad record the past two years for a team that gets little respect and is "not any good". Lots of teams would like to be this "not good".

P.S. I agree that Michigan should not be ranked any higher than they currently are ranked.

Come on man... You're really still using the last 26 games? What about the other 3 losses in 2011? Anyways...

Purdue, 1-3, lost to ND by a TD.
Mich St, 3-1, lost to ND by 4 points. 3-1 is a good record, but the wins were against Youngstown, W. Mich, and USF. Ygstwn don't really count, and the combined record of the other two Mich St opponents is 0-7.


You are right. Lets just use 2012 and 2013, to date.

ND is 15-2 during that time period. Better?

If you want to use the entire Brian Kelly era, ND is 31-12. Is that ok?

Yes, much better than half a season. I don't see them as average, but I'm not trying to get into an all day argument with you again about it either, we'll find out as the season progresses... Purdue blows, but Mich St may be better than I think. It's just that their opponents are either FCS or winless.
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(09-23-2013 01:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It sure beats the Charlie Weis era, Terry. His teams went steadily downhill, and Kelly's moving the Irish in the opposite direction...
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(09-23-2013 11:47 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Another winning post, dude... 03-banghead

The Belldozer didn't start against WVU, and it was only after their freshman proved ineffective WVU that Bell was given the starting job. The Oklahoma team that faced WVU isn't the same Sooner team playing today...

I wish it were otherwise. But it isn't. Now you have 2 feet in your mouth...

How does that toe jam taste?
so by that logic then syracuse is undefeated cuz they switched QBs........
Lame, dude. Very lame. Syracuse would have won their last 2 games no matter who was QB. I could have led them to victory, and I can barely run or throw these days...

Syracuse's last 2 games were against Wagner and Tulane. Let's see the new guy play someone with a pulse first...

The other QB did play someone decent, unlike the new guy, and he failed against Penn State and Northwestern, 2 pretty good programs. The new guy most likely have the same fate when the Orange play Clemson on Saturday, and Clemson is far better than anyone Syracuse has played to date...
the new guy had a very good showing against northwestern. we put him in in the 2nd half and he racked up most of our pt totals
And he had a whopping 220 yards passing against mighty Tulane... 07-coffee3

im sorry but this isnt freaking baylor or wvu where a qb must pass for 700 yards or be considered bad. get a clue....

he had a 98.6 QBR rating and our ground game gained more yards than the passing game
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As far as I am concerned, UM doesn't deserve to be ranked at this point. They have a lot of issues that need to be addressed or this team could go 6-6, 7-5.
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(09-23-2013 01:49 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(09-23-2013 01:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It sure beats the Charlie Weis era, Terry. His teams went steadily downhill, and Kelly's moving the Irish in the opposite direction...
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(09-23-2013 12:09 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(09-23-2013 11:52 AM)john01992 Wrote:  so by that logic then syracuse is undefeated cuz they switched QBs........
Lame, dude. Very lame. Syracuse would have won their last 2 games no matter who was QB. I could have led them to victory, and I can barely run or throw these days...

Syracuse's last 2 games were against Wagner and Tulane. Let's see the new guy play someone with a pulse first...

The other QB did play someone decent, unlike the new guy, and he failed against Penn State and Northwestern, 2 pretty good programs. The new guy most likely have the same fate when the Orange play Clemson on Saturday, and Clemson is far better than anyone Syracuse has played to date...
the new guy had a very good showing against northwestern. we put him in in the 2nd half and he racked up most of our pt totals
And he had a whopping 220 yards passing against mighty Tulane... 07-coffee3
im sorry but this isnt freaking baylor or wvu where a qb must pass for 700 yards or be considered bad. get a clue....

he had a 98.6 QBR rating and our ground game gained more yards than the passing game
So trying to attribute that win to the QB was silly, and you knew it. That was my whole point, which you just proved for me...
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I'm sorry, but that QBR is something I am so sick of- more so than anything else ESPN has tried to shove down our throats.

I mean, right now the Payton Manning 7 td game earlier this year. ESPN says that's the 13th best QB game of the season. Said that the Geno Smith game yesterday was better than that. EPIC FAIL!!!!!
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Maybe so, stever. But Geno's performance at the end of their 2 wins has got to be encouraging for Jets fans...

They haven't seen heroics like that since the days of Joe Willie...
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(09-23-2013 02:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Maybe so, stever. But Geno's performance at the end of their 2 wins has got to be encouraging for Jets fans...

They haven't seen heroics like that since the days of Joe Willie...

no doubt. But to say it was better than 1 of the best games any of us have seen really is comical.
Smith 16-29 331 yds 2 td 2 int 89.9 reg rating, 85.8 QBR
Manning 27-42 462 yds 7 td 0 int 141.1 reg rating, 83.6 QBR

I mean, you tell me. And, I'm not slamming Smtih at all. He's done great 1st 3 games. But, to say that game was better than Manning's 7 td game? That's a joke.
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(09-22-2013 03:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  for the second time michigan has had the biggest drop in the polls despite winning their game that week.

i think the polls system sucks,

im sorry but is this for real?

You make no sense whatsoever. What you are complaining about, are the polls actually correcting themselves. You know, the very system you said "sucks?" 03-hissyfit
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(09-23-2013 02:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(09-23-2013 02:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Maybe so, stever. But Geno's performance at the end of their 2 wins has got to be encouraging for Jets fans...

They haven't seen heroics like that since the days of Joe Willie...
no doubt. But to say it was better than 1 of the best games any of us have seen really is comical.
Smith 16-29 331 yds 2 td 2 int 89.9 reg rating, 85.8 QBR
Manning 27-42 462 yds 7 td 0 int 141.1 reg rating, 83.6 QBR

I mean, you tell me. And, I'm not slamming Smtih at all. He's done great 1st 3 games. But, to say that game was better than Manning's 7 td game? That's a joke.
I tend to agree with you. But IMO the only stat that really matters is that both QBs got wins in their games. That's the ultimate statistic that tends to get overlooked at times...
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(09-23-2013 02:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(09-23-2013 02:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Maybe so, stever. But Geno's performance at the end of their 2 wins has got to be encouraging for Jets fans...

They haven't seen heroics like that since the days of Joe Willie...
no doubt. But to say it was better than 1 of the best games any of us have seen really is comical.
Smith 16-29 331 yds 2 td 2 int 89.9 reg rating, 85.8 QBR
Manning 27-42 462 yds 7 td 0 int 141.1 reg rating, 83.6 QBR

I mean, you tell me. And, I'm not slamming Smtih at all. He's done great 1st 3 games. But, to say that game was better than Manning's 7 td game? That's a joke.
I tend to agree with you. But IMO the only stat that really matters is that both QBs got wins in their games. That's the ultimate statistic that tends to get overlooked at times...

no doubt. I just saw someone trying to use QBR here and trying to prove that stat is pretty much useless.
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It is useless, like most of the things invented by ESPiN jerks trying to prove a point that's not worth proving...
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(09-23-2013 12:09 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(09-23-2013 11:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(09-23-2013 09:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-22-2013 03:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  for the second time michigan has had the biggest drop in the polls despite winning their game that week.

i think the polls system sucks, but the standard has always been if you win...you win. it doesnt matter how bad that win was.

Nope, that has never been the standard. Pollsters have always looked at how impressive a team is. Heck, Alabama won by 25 points and yet 4 voters switched and made Oregon their #1 this week.

And Louisville won their game by *70* points, and yet dropped from 6 to 7 behind LSU because LSU beat a much stronger opponent.

What is happening with Michigan is nothing new.

FWIW, despite the close calls, and the very generous home officiating versus Notre Dame, I think you guys are pretty good. I would rank you at about #12 right now.

are you kidding me?

so asu didnt jump into the rankings after the most controversial win of the year? or bama didnt lose their #1 rankings despite two sub par showings this year?

Alabama also has a road win over the #6 team, and yet still has lost votes to Oregon.

If the refs don't give Michigan a gift PI call vs Notre Dame and if they throw a flag for PI against Michigan on the last play vs Akron, they probably lose both games. And Notre Dame was very lucky to beat Purdue and MSU. They are not any good.

Bottom line: Michigan has won 3/4 games by the skin of their teeth against a soft schedule. That impresses nobody. #18 is where you deserve to be, even though I think you are better than that.

I agree that ND is average or slightly above average so far this season, certainly not as good as last year's team. But "not any good"? I disagree with that.

Yes, that was putting it too harshly. Should have said "not very good". Right now, Notre Dame looks like a generic team of the kind they've had all too many of the last twenty years. Staring down the barrel of 8-4.

But, if ND can get by Oklahoma, the schedule opens up nicely until Stanford late in the season. All of the rest are very winnable games. Thank God for Lane Kiffin.
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(09-23-2013 02:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(09-23-2013 02:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Maybe so, stever. But Geno's performance at the end of their 2 wins has got to be encouraging for Jets fans...

They haven't seen heroics like that since the days of Joe Willie...

no doubt. But to say it was better than 1 of the best games any of us have seen really is comical.
Smith 16-29 331 yds 2 td 2 int 89.9 reg rating, 85.8 QBR
Manning 27-42 462 yds 7 td 0 int 141.1 reg rating, 83.6 QBR

I mean, you tell me. And, I'm not slamming Smtih at all. He's done great 1st 3 games. But, to say that game was better than Manning's 7 td game? That's a joke.

Yes, while the traditional passer rating has its issues, that QBR from ESPN is a sorry joke. Anyone with eyes knows Manning was far, far, better than Geno Smith.
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(09-23-2013 01:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It sure beats the Charlie Weis era, Terry. His teams went steadily downhill, and Kelly's moving the Irish in the opposite direction...
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(09-23-2013 12:09 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Lame, dude. Very lame. Syracuse would have won their last 2 games no matter who was QB. I could have led them to victory, and I can barely run or throw these days...

Syracuse's last 2 games were against Wagner and Tulane. Let's see the new guy play someone with a pulse first...

The other QB did play someone decent, unlike the new guy, and he failed against Penn State and Northwestern, 2 pretty good programs. The new guy most likely have the same fate when the Orange play Clemson on Saturday, and Clemson is far better than anyone Syracuse has played to date...
the new guy had a very good showing against northwestern. we put him in in the 2nd half and he racked up most of our pt totals
And he had a whopping 220 yards passing against mighty Tulane... 07-coffee3
im sorry but this isnt freaking baylor or wvu where a qb must pass for 700 yards or be considered bad. get a clue....

he had a 98.6 QBR rating and our ground game gained more yards than the passing game
So trying to attribute that win to the QB was silly, and you knew it. That was my whole point, which you just proved for me...

they were pretty even, and considering we are a run first type team, i think the fact that the passing is as good is very telling.

now it is a team sport, but im talking before we replaced him, we had zero tempo on offense. we were burning timeouts on a regular basis cuz the QB didnt know the play. the new QB elevated both the run & the passing game and got everyone in line. plus when you can back up the run game with an explosive passing offense, that elevates your run game because it takes the pressure off them. and hunt was so impressive to watch that he reminded me of geno smith & terry bridgewater and it just keeps blowing my mine how it was the BE teams who got those terrific dual threat QBs
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Before you start comparing him to Geno or Bridewater, let's see if he ever gets any Heisman consideration. He doesn't have to win it. But being in the conversation at any point in the season is fine...
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(09-23-2013 05:44 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Before you start comparing him to Geno or Bridewater, let's see if he ever gets any Heisman consideration. He doesn't have to win it. But being in the conversation at any point in the season is fine...

hes a very young QB, if you give him time to develop im sure he can be as good as them with the right coaching & surrounding talent.

it is far too early to put him in the same class as those two, but he is very impressive for only a sophomore and he really does remind me of when i saw geno & terry in their early years

i just make the comparison because all 3 were QBs who got recruited to big east schools. and i think thats pretty awesome
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