(08-21-2013 11:46 AM)theboro Wrote:  I'm curious which one of your schools will not move to C-USA if offered and why.

Hell, UL will go in a heartbeat, but it's only as a stepping stone to AAC...which of course is another stepping stone. We'll see y'all down the road

Z

(08-21-2013 01:04 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 11:46 AM)theboro Wrote:  I'm curious which one of your schools will not move to C-USA if offered and why.

Hell, UL will go in a heartbeat, but it's only as a stepping stone to AAC...which of course is another stepping stone. We'll see y'all down the road

Z

(08-21-2013 12:45 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 12:36 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 12:04 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  I'm proud of my WKU brethren for avoiding this kind of crap. Don't get me wrong, we're happy to have been invited to C-USA but primarily for basketball. I think most of us know that the difference in football between the two leagues will most likely be minimal except we'll be less likely to be left out of a Bowl should we be Bowl eligible. Honestly, there's a part of me that is impressed with the potential football prowess that the SBC is gonna have in a few years once AppSt and GaSo fully transition. A core of stAte, UL, AppSt, GaSo, and Troy makes for a fine football conference.

I don't think I would leave out USA...and especially TXST.

I'm more concerned about what we are going to do rather than what CUSA is doing. We kept our bowl lineup and improved our position a little. That ought to be good enough for now.

Oh believe me, I've been saying for awhile that I think USA and TxSt will be very solid programs and potential SBC leaders in football. It's yet to be seen though whereas AppSt and GaSo were powerhouses at the FCS level and I'm confident they'll transition well. I worry about ULM though. Not because they haven't had some very good teams but because their budget is so low, I believe it'll be hard for them to maintain consistency. GaSt is a big what if. They're in the right market and could be something special but time will tell. The downside to having all these good programs is that half the league will finish .500 or below each year. Some folks may need to get used to being there. Of course that's the case in all leagues. I laugh when I read posts on the AAC or C-USA boards about all these teams who think their league is gonna be great because of all the great teams they have. They fail to realize that half the teams are mostly likely gonna be .500 or below year in and year out. The great question is who will rise to the top. WKU of course.

Thanks for the kind words but we have already been put in our place and could not possibly expect to have any success until 2020. With all the mighty FBS players we are about to face how could we ever expect to win a D1 game. I know we will have 85 schollies but that will just be on paper. What ever will we do, lol.

3....2...1

(08-21-2013 01:12 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:04 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 11:46 AM)theboro Wrote:  I'm curious which one of your schools will not move to C-USA if offered and why.

Hell, UL will go in a heartbeat, but it's only as a stepping stone to AAC...which of course is another stepping stone. We'll see y'all down the road

Z

Don't you have some some super secret ignore button? Find it and ******* put me on it.

Thanks,

Z

(08-21-2013 01:15 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:12 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:04 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 11:46 AM)theboro Wrote:  I'm curious which one of your schools will not move to C-USA if offered and why.

Hell, UL will go in a heartbeat, but it's only as a stepping stone to AAC...which of course is another stepping stone. We'll see y'all down the road

Z

Don't you have some some super secret ignore button? Find it and ******* put me on it.

Thanks,

Z

Its your my school is too good for this conference thing you always put out there.

We get it.. UL will be in the SEC in the next few years.

(08-21-2013 01:04 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 11:46 AM)theboro Wrote:  I'm curious which one of your schools will not move to C-USA if offered and why.

Hell, UL will go in a heartbeat, but it's only as a stepping stone to AAC...which of course is another stepping stone. We'll see y'all down the road

Z

Why stop...I keep waiting for the SEC invite personally.

(08-21-2013 12:02 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 11:46 AM)theboro Wrote:  I'm curious which one of your schools will not move to C-USA if offered and why.

Remember when Memphis fans got their weird jollies doing this at you?

You are now them. Congrats to you.

+1. At least Memphis scored in Jonesboro.

If we had to move on the terms MTSU did, ASU would be a hard sell.

MTSU won't recover the moving costs until the final year of the current TV deal if the basketball units hold up. For a school invited now that is a rather significant investment for a move where you don't know the value of the next TV deal and won't ever profit under the current deal.

(08-21-2013 01:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If we had to move on the terms MTSU did, ASU would be a hard sell.

MTSU won't recover the moving costs until the final year of the current TV deal if the basketball units hold up. For a school invited now that is a rather significant investment for a move where you don't know the value of the next TV deal and won't ever profit under the current deal.

I hate to weigh in because I don't approve of the thread in general but you know this isn't true. Yes, if you look at TV money alone it will take that long to recoup the buyout but the real gains come, and you have said this yourself more than once, from the fan perception. Our season tix revenue are at an all time high. I was just at a donors dinner a couple of weeks ago and donations are at an all time high. I have a friend that works in marketing for the program and sponsorships are growing exponentially and at a higher price per. We just got our games picked up by 102.5 ESPN/The Game in Nashville which is huge for growing the base and I don't believe would have happened without the move. All of this and we make the buyout back from the TV contract so it was basically completely without risk for us. It is silly to pretend that this was in any way a bad move financially and any school passing on the opportunity is commiting malpractice. It would never happen, which is why this thread is stupid. I apologize for it being here.

(08-21-2013 02:16 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If we had to move on the terms MTSU did, ASU would be a hard sell.

MTSU won't recover the moving costs until the final year of the current TV deal if the basketball units hold up. For a school invited now that is a rather significant investment for a move where you don't know the value of the next TV deal and won't ever profit under the current deal.

I hate to weigh in because I don't approve of the thread in general but you know this isn't true. Yes, if you look at TV money alone it will take that long to recoup the buyout but the real gains come, and you have said this yourself more than once, from the fan perception. Our season tix revenue are at an all time high. I was just at a donors dinner a couple of weeks ago and donations are at an all time high. I have a friend that works in marketing for the program and sponsorships are growing exponentially and at a higher price per. We just got our games picked up by 102.5 ESPN/The Game in Nashville which is huge for growing the base and I don't believe would have happened without the move. All of this and we make the buyout back from the TV contract so it was basically completely without risk for us. It is silly to pretend that this was in any way a bad move financially and any school passing on the opportunity is commiting malpractice. It would never happen, which is why this thread is stupid. I apologize for it being here.

Yes, but you are comparing this for MTSU...not for ASU. We've already grown our fan base significantly. CUSA has no base in Arkansas, and is really not seen as any different than any other non AQ league here. Donor money is already pretty high right now, and wouldn't likely go crazy with a move.

For MTSU, where CUSA has a large presence in TN, and where the goal is to not be an afterthought in a state with 2 SEC programs, moving to CUSA is a much bigger deal.

(08-21-2013 01:21 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:15 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:12 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:04 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 11:46 AM)theboro Wrote:  I'm curious which one of your schools will not move to C-USA if offered and why.

Hell, UL will go in a heartbeat, but it's only as a stepping stone to AAC...which of course is another stepping stone. We'll see y'all down the road

Z

Don't you have some some super secret ignore button? Find it and ******* put me on it.

Thanks,

Z

Its your my school is too good for this conference thing you always put out there.

We get it.. UL will be in the SEC in the next few years.

So, find that ignore button.

Z

(08-21-2013 02:24 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:21 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:15 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:12 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:04 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  Hell, UL will go in a heartbeat, but it's only as a stepping stone to AAC...which of course is another stepping stone. We'll see y'all down the road

Z

Don't you have some some super secret ignore button? Find it and ******* put me on it.

Thanks,

Z

Its your my school is too good for this conference thing you always put out there.

We get it.. UL will be in the SEC in the next few years.

So, find that ignore button.

Z

You seem to be more annoyed with me... I'm fine bud. Thanks.

(08-21-2013 02:24 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:21 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:15 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:12 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:04 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  Hell, UL will go in a heartbeat, but it's only as a stepping stone to AAC...which of course is another stepping stone. We'll see y'all down the road

Z

Don't you have some some super secret ignore button? Find it and ******* put me on it.

Thanks,

Z

Its your my school is too good for this conference thing you always put out there.

We get it.. UL will be in the SEC in the next few years.

So, find that ignore button.

Z

You guys need to chill.

(08-21-2013 02:16 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If we had to move on the terms MTSU did, ASU would be a hard sell.

MTSU won't recover the moving costs until the final year of the current TV deal if the basketball units hold up. For a school invited now that is a rather significant investment for a move where you don't know the value of the next TV deal and won't ever profit under the current deal.

I hate to weigh in because I don't approve of the thread in general but you know this isn't true. Yes, if you look at TV money alone it will take that long to recoup the buyout but the real gains come, and you have said this yourself more than once, from the fan perception. Our season tix revenue are at an all time high. I was just at a donors dinner a couple of weeks ago and donations are at an all time high. I have a friend that works in marketing for the program and sponsorships are growing exponentially and at a higher price per. We just got our games picked up by 102.5 ESPN/The Game in Nashville which is huge for growing the base and I don't believe would have happened without the move. All of this and we make the buyout back from the TV contract so it was basically completely without risk for us. It is silly to pretend that this was in any way a bad move financially and any school passing on the opportunity is commiting malpractice. It would never happen, which is why this thread is stupid. I apologize for it being here.

Do the math.

Cost MTSU roughly $800,000 to leave (foregone revenue plus buyout). Paying $2 million to get in. CUSA hoop units are a declining balance unless some goes Memphis. Get $143,000 less in CFP base money in 2014 and thereafter. CFP performance bonus money is a crap shoot and one can speculate however much they like how that will shake out but everyone is guessing because we don't have any reliable data on a number of CUSA and Sun Belt members.

MTSU doesn't recoup the cost until 2015. TV deal expires in 2016.

Read what I wrote.

I said if ASU had to do it on the terms MTSU did, we wouldn't take a full share until the current TV deal is over and that makes any revenue thereafter speculative. It's not a slam dunk decision to spend that sort of money to be able to play North Texas and UTSA without knowing what CUSA TV will look like after 2016, what the NCAA unit trend is looking like and the CFP revenue trends. MTSU gets a year of assured better revenue and comes out no worse thereafter. Someone entering later doesn't have that assurance until CUSA has a new TV deal. With CFP coming up a team leaving foregos a million in league revenue that didn't exist when MTSU left. That makes the entrance cost in excess of $3 million.

(08-21-2013 02:19 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 02:16 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If we had to move on the terms MTSU did, ASU would be a hard sell.

MTSU won't recover the moving costs until the final year of the current TV deal if the basketball units hold up. For a school invited now that is a rather significant investment for a move where you don't know the value of the next TV deal and won't ever profit under the current deal.

I hate to weigh in because I don't approve of the thread in general but you know this isn't true. Yes, if you look at TV money alone it will take that long to recoup the buyout but the real gains come, and you have said this yourself more than once, from the fan perception. Our season tix revenue are at an all time high. I was just at a donors dinner a couple of weeks ago and donations are at an all time high. I have a friend that works in marketing for the program and sponsorships are growing exponentially and at a higher price per. We just got our games picked up by 102.5 ESPN/The Game in Nashville which is huge for growing the base and I don't believe would have happened without the move. All of this and we make the buyout back from the TV contract so it was basically completely without risk for us. It is silly to pretend that this was in any way a bad move financially and any school passing on the opportunity is commiting malpractice. It would never happen, which is why this thread is stupid. I apologize for it being here.

Yes, but you are comparing this for MTSU...not for ASU. We've already grown our fan base significantly. CUSA has no base in Arkansas, and is really not seen as any different than any other non AQ league here. Donor money is already pretty high right now, and wouldn't likely go crazy with a move.

For MTSU, where CUSA has a large presence in TN, and where the goal is to not be an afterthought in a state with 2 SEC programs, moving to CUSA is a much bigger deal.

And an AAC program in Tennessee as well as NFL and NHL in town and NBA in-state.

MTSU has two league members closer than any CUSA school is to Jonesboro.

Arkansas State is the #2 sports story in the state no matter our league.

Speaking of ASU being 2nd in Arkansas

I have a hard time with the market thing and ASUs market being the whole state of Arkansas

Yes there's only 2.8 million people in Arkansas and atleast 70% of that's hog fans (probably more) some on here claim their market is more than Jonesboro but is the state.
But if this is true then Georgia Southerns market is Huge as well... There's 10million people in the state of Georgia with only 4 FBS schools (hardly 4) split that into 4 parts and that's still 2.5 million (almost the population of Arkansas alone)

(08-21-2013 03:41 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Speaking of ASU being 2nd in Arkansas

I have a hard time with the market thing and ASUs market being the whole state of Arkansas

Yes there's only 2.8 million people in Arkansas and atleast 70% of that's hog fans (probably more) some on here claim their market is more than Jonesboro but is the state.
But if this is true then Georgia Southerns market is Huge as well... There's 10million people in the state of Georgia with only 4 FBS schools (hardly 4) split that into 4 parts and that's still 2.5 million (almost the population of Arkansas alone)

That was if Georgia was split into four equal parts. The difference here is that if our games are available on television, usually it is automatically picked up state wide. Meaning the potential audience is higher. Does such a similar guarantee exist at Georgia Southern. If they were on regional TV, would Atlanta TV stations pick them up?

Now your playing semantics again. You tried taking a shot at MT as if MT took a bad deal stating that ASU wouldn't take the deal MTSU took. Now you are trying to change the perimeters. Saying your terms now would not be as good as our terms were than is not the same thing as saying you wouldn't do it if you had our terms which is what you said. It's cool. I get what your doing but you and I both know you would jump if given the opportunity regardless of terms. We also both know you are most likely no higher than 4th in the pecking order so it's moot. Again sorry for the thread. It was bush but attack the OP for it. No need to attack MT.

(08-21-2013 03:41 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Speaking of ASU being 2nd in Arkansas

I have a hard time with the market thing and ASUs market being the whole state of Arkansas

Yes there's only 2.8 million people in Arkansas and atleast 70% of that's hog fans (probably more) some on here claim their market is more than Jonesboro but is the state.
But if this is true then Georgia Southerns market is Huge as well... There's 10million people in the state of Georgia with only 4 FBS schools (hardly 4) split that into 4 parts and that's still 2.5 million (almost the population of Arkansas alone)

TV says our market is a couple counties in north Arkansas not including counties that can't get the signal of the stations of the markets they are in but can get Jonesboro.

But I don't think anyone would contend Georgia is divided equally four ways.

Nationally most people aren't serious college football fans. You only have to look at the TV ratings for college football to see that no where near the majority of people are college football fans.

Merely looking at population is inherently flawed logic. New York City metro is about double Georgia but Georgia and NYC metro are nearly equal in college football viewers.

Little Rock is a smaller market but initially three Little Rock TV stations attempted to get the rights to the Bryan Harsin Show and it ended up coming down to a 2 station bidding battle because it is strong product that can be sold. The last telecast of ASU football on LR TV the ad inventory sold out in less than a week.

The people out there crunching numbers calculating markets using state population or Nielsen TV market numbers are working on flawed assumptions. Colorado has a larger population than Alabama. Who really believes Colorado and Colorado State deliver greater viewership within Colorado than Alabama and Auburn deliver in Alabama?

(08-21-2013 04:04 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Now your playing semantics again. You tried taking a shot at MT as if MT took a bad deal stating that ASU wouldn't take the deal MTSU took. Now you are trying to change the perimeters. Saying your terms now would not be as good as our terms were than is not the same thing as saying you wouldn't do it if you had our terms which is what you said. It's cool. I get what your doing but you and I both know you would jump if given the opportunity regardless of terms. We also both know you are most likely no higher than 4th in the pecking order so it's moot. Again sorry for the thread. It was bush but attack the OP for it. No need to attack MT.

You want to be offended so go be offended and ignore what I wrote. I didn't attack MTSU and quit being a weenie.

I said NOTHING negative about MTSU but if you are hell bent to twist it into that more power to you. If you cannot understand that the circumstances on 8/21/13 are different than the circumstances on 11/29/12 that's your difficulty.

I suppose the only way to end this is for me to just ignore those changes and say we would cry beg plead to get in. Do you feel better about yourself now?