(08-21-2013 04:04 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Now your playing semantics again. You tried taking a shot at MT as if MT took a bad deal stating that ASU wouldn't take the deal MTSU took. Now you are trying to change the perimeters. Saying your terms now would not be as good as our terms were than is not the same thing as saying you wouldn't do it if you had our terms which is what you said. It's cool. I get what your doing but you and I both know you would jump if given the opportunity regardless of terms. We also both know you are most likely no higher than 4th in the pecking order so it's moot. Again sorry for the thread. It was bush but attack the OP for it. No need to attack MT.

You've convinced yourself of something that is simply not true. Sure, we've bashed MTSU a little in this thread, which was very much started by an MTSU fan who was trolling to your own admission.

It would cost ASU at least 3 million dollars to move to CUSA at this moment. I don't know about you guys, but money doesn't grow on trees here in Arkansas. We could not physically make an investment that large without knowing for sure that we would get it all back plus interest in the end.

Our administrators have pretty much admitted we wouldn't make a conference move without seriously evaluating what the move does to us financially. They'd lose their jobs if they didn't.

Sure, we could move. But this is not the slam dunk it was for you guys. We don't have near the competition MTSU does in state to make a move a necessary evil.

Well like I said pointless conversation anyway. We both know it is not going to be a decision ASU will have to make.

(08-21-2013 04:32 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Well like I said pointless conversation anyway. We both know it is not going to be a decision ASU will have to make.

Ya cause y'all will go after GA State first.

There will come a time where SBC programs will turn down an offer to move to CUSA. And that time is coming sooner than later.

(08-21-2013 04:32 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Well like I said pointless conversation anyway. We both know it is not going to be a decision ASU will have to make.

I agree that we wont be having this conversation with CUSA most likely. we'd need a league that wasn't looking for a market to be able to expand, and CUSA doesn't fill that void.

Not that he is the end all be all but Adam Sparks, who has been in the loop pretty good, said on twitter yesterday the pecking order is 1. Texas St. 2. ULL 3. Georgia St and 4. ASU. Now when he has a vote I guess that means something but like I said he has been in tune with what was going on. He was the first one I remember telling us that ODU was ahead of us on the list back when they weren't on any of our radars.

(08-21-2013 04:51 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Not that he is the end all be all but Adam Sparks, who has been in the loop pretty good, said on twitter yesterday the pecking order is 1. Texas St. 2. ULL 3. Georgia St and 4. ASU. Now when he has a vote I guess that means something but like I said he has been in tune with what was going on. He was the first one I remember telling us that ODU was ahead of us on the list back when they weren't on any of our radars.

As I said, if ASU is going to move, it will need to be league not named CUSA. That's not out of the question, but it will take some continued strong play on our part. Hence why I was so happy with the adds of App State and Georgia Southern,

(08-21-2013 02:48 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 02:24 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:21 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:15 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:12 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

Don't you have some some super secret ignore button? Find it and ******* put me on it.

Thanks,

Z

Its your my school is too good for this conference thing you always put out there.

We get it.. UL will be in the SEC in the next few years.

So, find that ignore button.

Z

You guys need to chill.

you know that ignore button I was telling Trojan boy about?

Z

(08-21-2013 03:41 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Speaking of ASU being 2nd in Arkansas

I have a hard time with the market thing and ASUs market being the whole state of Arkansas

Yes there's only 2.8 million people in Arkansas and atleast 70% of that's hog fans (probably more) some on here claim their market is more than Jonesboro but is the state.
But if this is true then Georgia Southerns market is Huge as well... There's 10million people in the state of Georgia with only 4 FBS schools (hardly 4) split that into 4 parts and that's still 2.5 million (almost the population of Arkansas alone)

Arkansas is an unusual state. There are lots of psychological issues involved with the Razorback cult. More than one book could be written.

Bottom line is that the Razorbacks are not quite the unbeatable behemoth they insist they are. They haven't won their league in 20+ tries. There is a reason they do not play us.

(08-21-2013 04:33 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 04:32 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Well like I said pointless conversation anyway. We both know it is not going to be a decision ASU will have to make.

Ya cause y'all will go after GA State first.

There will come a time where SBC programs will turn down an offer to move to CUSA. And that time is coming sooner than later.

No. There won't.

(08-21-2013 06:17 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 04:33 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 04:32 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Well like I said pointless conversation anyway. We both know it is not going to be a decision ASU will have to make.

Ya cause y'all will go after GA State first.

There will come a time where SBC programs will turn down an offer to move to CUSA. And that time is coming sooner than later.

No. There won't.

Classless. Particularly coming from a WKU fan. If we're evaluating our position from a potential standpoint along with some consistent membership within the current footprint then yes. The "potential" for consistency could bring this about sooner rather than later if we take care of business on the field. I'd say the Sun Belt has a much better position going forward than CUSA. IMO

(08-21-2013 05:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 04:51 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Not that he is the end all be all but Adam Sparks, who has been in the loop pretty good, said on twitter yesterday the pecking order is 1. Texas St. 2. ULL 3. Georgia St and 4. ASU. Now when he has a vote I guess that means something but like I said he has been in tune with what was going on. He was the first one I remember telling us that ODU was ahead of us on the list back when they weren't on any of our radars.

As I said, if ASU is going to move, it will need to be league not named CUSA. That's not out of the question, but it will take some continued strong play on our part. Hence why I was so happy with the adds of App State and Georgia Southern,

Chiefsfan is probably the most anti-CUSA individual who ever lived. He hates the patch no matter who is wearing it. He'll say anything when it comes to CUSA.

If an invitation for CUSA came tomorrow ASU would take it. Why? Because there is a prisoner's dilemma and if ASU did not take it another conference member definitely would putting the SBC back into scramble mode. Why would you willingly choose a scramble for survival?

Does that mean ASU doesn't really like the SBC lineup right now? Nope. Does it mean that ASU thinks the SBC has less potential than CUSA? Nope. Does it mean CUSA is better than the SBC? Nope.

But the former leadership of the SBC put it on the bottom of the pecking order in this round of conference realignment through lack of aggressiveness, lack of ambition, and a total misreading of what was going on and every team in it would leave for CUSA because of that.

How are we going to correct that if we won't even admit that it is the current reality?

(08-21-2013 06:17 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 04:33 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 04:32 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Well like I said pointless conversation anyway. We both know it is not going to be a decision ASU will have to make.

Ya cause y'all will go after GA State first.

There will come a time where SBC programs will turn down an offer to move to CUSA. And that time is coming sooner than later.

No. There won't.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything has been so predictable in conference realignment.

(08-21-2013 06:53 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 05:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 04:51 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Not that he is the end all be all but Adam Sparks, who has been in the loop pretty good, said on twitter yesterday the pecking order is 1. Texas St. 2. ULL 3. Georgia St and 4. ASU. Now when he has a vote I guess that means something but like I said he has been in tune with what was going on. He was the first one I remember telling us that ODU was ahead of us on the list back when they weren't on any of our radars.

As I said, if ASU is going to move, it will need to be league not named CUSA. That's not out of the question, but it will take some continued strong play on our part. Hence why I was so happy with the adds of App State and Georgia Southern,

Chiefsfan is probably the most anti-CUSA individual who ever lived. He hates the patch no matter who is wearing it. He'll say anything when it comes to CUSA.

If an invitation for CUSA came tomorrow ASU would take it. Why? Because there is a prisoner's dilemma and if ASU did not take it another conference member definitely would putting the SBC back into scramble mode. Why would you willingly choose a scramble for survival?

Does that mean ASU doesn't really like the SBC lineup right now? Nope. Does it mean that ASU thinks the SBC has less potential than CUSA? Nope. Does it mean CUSA is better than the SBC? Nope.

But the former leadership of the SBC put it on the bottom of the pecking order in this round of conference realignment through lack of aggressiveness, lack of ambition, and a total misreading of what was going on and every team in it would leave for CUSA because of that.

How are we going to correct that if we won't even admit that it is the current reality?

I'm glad someone finally understands my irrational hate of that conference.

However, you know as well as I do that our administration wont commit to anything without really looking at the financials. Just as Arkstfan has said many times.

(08-21-2013 07:55 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 06:53 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 05:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 04:51 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Not that he is the end all be all but Adam Sparks, who has been in the loop pretty good, said on twitter yesterday the pecking order is 1. Texas St. 2. ULL 3. Georgia St and 4. ASU. Now when he has a vote I guess that means something but like I said he has been in tune with what was going on. He was the first one I remember telling us that ODU was ahead of us on the list back when they weren't on any of our radars.

As I said, if ASU is going to move, it will need to be league not named CUSA. That's not out of the question, but it will take some continued strong play on our part. Hence why I was so happy with the adds of App State and Georgia Southern,

Chiefsfan is probably the most anti-CUSA individual who ever lived. He hates the patch no matter who is wearing it. He'll say anything when it comes to CUSA.

If an invitation for CUSA came tomorrow ASU would take it. Why? Because there is a prisoner's dilemma and if ASU did not take it another conference member definitely would putting the SBC back into scramble mode. Why would you willingly choose a scramble for survival?

Does that mean ASU doesn't really like the SBC lineup right now? Nope. Does it mean that ASU thinks the SBC has less potential than CUSA? Nope. Does it mean CUSA is better than the SBC? Nope.

But the former leadership of the SBC put it on the bottom of the pecking order in this round of conference realignment through lack of aggressiveness, lack of ambition, and a total misreading of what was going on and every team in it would leave for CUSA because of that.

How are we going to correct that if we won't even admit that it is the current reality?

I'm glad someone finally understands my irrational hate of that conference.

However, you know as well as I do that our administration wont commit to anything without really looking at the financials. Just as Arkstfan has said many times.

They'll look at the financials. But they would have to be WAAAY out of whack not to accept an invitation due to the prisoner's dilemma.

(08-21-2013 11:46 AM)theboro Wrote:  I'm curious which one of your schools will not move to C-USA if offered and why.

He must have been really hurt over the December 1, 2012 game for the conference championship. I bet he was probably most hurt over the 45-0 score. It may have been building up over a period of time since we have thrashed them on ESPN at least 2 times in the last few years. Does anybody know how many years we've beaten them in a row in football? He may say that it's basketball that really counts. Wait....they haven't really just walked over us in the gym either. Yep.....he got his feelings hurt. This is revenge speaking.......maybe we should apologize. Think that would help ease his pain? I think we should do all we can to help him recover.

We just need to keep buying tickets. Keep going to games. Keep the support growing. Keep winning hopefully. If we do that everything else will fall into place.

(08-21-2013 06:17 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 04:33 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 04:32 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Well like I said pointless conversation anyway. We both know it is not going to be a decision ASU will have to make.

Ya cause y'all will go after GA State first.

There will come a time where SBC programs will turn down an offer to move to CUSA. And that time is coming sooner than later.

No. There won't.

Quickest way to be shown to be wrong is to assume future conference alignments. At one time it was gospel that no Sun Belt would turn down the WAC then it happened multiple times.

It is the height of foolishness to believe alignment is static because history has shown that over and over.

NMSU spent nearly half a century wanting to get in the WAC and when it happened virtually no one they wanted to join in the WAC was still there.

Funny how Benson lost 17 schools over 13 years and he is a toxic conference destroyer. Bankowsky lost 15 schools in 9 years.

(08-21-2013 06:48 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 06:17 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 04:33 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 04:32 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Well like I said pointless conversation anyway. We both know it is not going to be a decision ASU will have to make.

Ya cause y'all will go after GA State first.

There will come a time where SBC programs will turn down an offer to move to CUSA. And that time is coming sooner than later.

No. There won't.

Classless. Particularly coming from a WKU fan. If we're evaluating our position from a potential standpoint along with some consistent membership within the current footprint then yes. The "potential" for consistency could bring this about sooner rather than later if we take care of business on the field. I'd say the Sun Belt has a much better position going forward than CUSA. IMO

I'm not particularly sure where your "classless" argument is confirmed.

Regardless, I posted an opinion and you personally attacked me for it. Perhaps you are aiming your "classless" comment at the wrong person?

"Point your finger at someone else and you have three pointing back at you".

(08-21-2013 06:48 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 06:17 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 04:33 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 04:32 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Well like I said pointless conversation anyway. We both know it is not going to be a decision ASU will have to make.

Ya cause y'all will go after GA State first.

There will come a time where SBC programs will turn down an offer to move to CUSA. And that time is coming sooner than later.

No. There won't.

Classless. Particularly coming from a WKU fan. If we're evaluating our position from a potential standpoint along with some consistent membership within the current footprint then yes. The "potential" for consistency could bring this about sooner rather than later if we take care of business on the field. I'd say the Sun Belt has a much better position going forward than CUSA. IMO

On the field, what about basketball? Does Georgia SOuthern know that exists? Its not all about football my friend....

As far as classless, staying in a conf. since 1982 is fairly a long time you would say right? Will Geo Southern be in the Sun Belt for 32 years? Anxious to await your answer...