(07-13-2013 01:04 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  JMU can angle for a CUSA invite all they want, that league doesn't seem interested in expanding, and if they did, I think they would go for an established FBS member first.

If CUSA lost two more, I bet they stay at 12. Under the new payout system, no school wants to lower their payout to give it to another school. Plus, the advantage of CUSA is you can say you are better than SBC or any FCS,school. So why promote more schools and allow them into you "exclusive" club. It just adds two more to your level that were once below you. (we know this is mostly false perception bs that offers very little of a true advantage which is why the SBC has done as good or better on the field)

And this is especially true if we are entering a period of stability and conferences do not have to hedge against losing more members.

JMU and anyone else's CUSA dreams are over for the foreseeable future.

I honestly still don't see why C-USA went to 14. If they got raided from 12, why not just do what you did before and restock to 12. Going to 14 is feeding too many mouths. It isn't just football, but 19 other sports that are effected by that move.

(07-13-2013 01:45 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  I honestly still don't see why C-USA went to 14. If they got raided from 12, why not just do what you did before and restock to 12. Going to 14 is feeding too many mouths. It isn't just football, but 19 other sports that are effected by that move.

CUSA wanted to kill off the Sun Belt. They thought that by expanding larger than 12, they could invite enough SBC teams to make the jump that the conference would become unstable and eventually die off. (The WAC Tried the same thing in 2004)

The ACC grant of rights, and the funding cap for Go5 Conferences has really slowed that idea down. That allowed the SBC enough time to go in and grab a few schools to make the league stable again.

I also think C-USA thought there were still moves to be made above them. They tried to jump the gun and get a lead and instead have fallen flat on their faces. I still believe that the SBC will come out ahead with the additions that have been made.

(07-13-2013 02:08 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I also think C-USA thought there were still moves to be made above them. They tried to jump the gun and get a lead and instead have fallen flat on their faces. I still believe that the SBC will come out ahead with the additions that have been made.

The initial choices of expansion by CUSA still make no sense to me. When they first raided the SBC they chose FIU and North Texas over FAU, MTSU, and WKU, all superior programs.

The only way that it makes any sense to grab off the bottom SBC teams first because of markets is the belief that they would be able to get more any time they wanted to. If they knew, or intended to shut down at 12, I think they would have grabbed MTSU in the first wave, and not the second.

They were in a market fight with the Big East. They both thought that by having the market teams, the big tv deal was right around the corner. That is the reason for UNCC going to CUSA also. The same reason we have Ga St. Fortunately that is the only team we added for market reasons. Then we added to very strong teams with very strong fan bases, for this level.

(07-13-2013 11:10 AM)Usajags Wrote:  Two years ago JMU would have jumped at CUSA, now, I'm not sure that is that appetizing. They would go for AAC for sure. Another year like last year and the SBC will look that much better to everyone.

As long as ODU, Charlotte and Marshall are there, yes JMU prefers CUSA.

I agree with an earlier post -- that conference movement is at a stop for at least the next 2-3 years. CUSA is not going to 16 so I don't see them expanding anytime soon. It is very possible that if they lose 2 to go to 12 they will stay at 12.

James Madison has 1 option to go to FBS football and that is the SBC.

As I see it there is 1 spot left at the FBS table and that spot is in the SBC. It remains to be seen if JMU is interested in that seat.

We are not their only option

(07-13-2013 02:08 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I also think C-USA thought there were still moves to be made above them. They tried to jump the gun and get a lead and instead have fallen flat on their faces. I still believe that the SBC will come out ahead with the additions that have been made.

No doubt in my mind that the Sun Belt will be ahead of C-USA in football for quite a while, but they may have our number in basketball. Football is the big revenue sport anyway and is the sport that is causing all these moves in the first place, so that's cool with me

(07-13-2013 04:11 PM)gostAte870 Wrote:  

(07-13-2013 02:08 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I also think C-USA thought there were still moves to be made above them. They tried to jump the gun and get a lead and instead have fallen flat on their faces. I still believe that the SBC will come out ahead with the additions that have been made.

No doubt in my mind that the Sun Belt will be ahead of C-USA in football for quite a while, but they may have our number in basketball. Football is the big revenue sport anyway and is the sport that is causing all these moves in the first place, so that's cool with me

Basketball is not a big deal because your 2nd NCAA bid is the most important, and we'll still get that bid if a team goes and has an MTSU like season.

I am not convinced that James Madison has other options at this point.

I was intrigued by the JMU possibility. Still would like them to join. But to be honest I'd rather see a Missouri State add.

(07-12-2013 06:10 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 06:08 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Think they may get serious about it at the end of their football season.
Imagine they now want to give the FCS playoffs another shot since they will have to
anyway without any distractions. They also have hopes that the NCAA will do as they
said and put more FCS teams on TV by their connections.

The NCAA doesn't own any of the TV outlets, so they can say all they want about that, it means nothing. It is just the NCAA trying to close the gap between FCS and Gof5 conferences. Just another step closer to another major reorganization.

It's the same thing that they said 30 years ago and have told the FCS again recently. Of course we all know they do not own any TV outlets, but the NCAA can try to manipulate FCS playoff dates and times to make their showing easier for television to be interested, and they do have some connections to media outlets. Just more crap they are laying on the FCS to try to pacify them again. Same reason they did a four year moratorium a few years ago in a way.

(07-13-2013 01:04 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  JMU can angle for a CUSA invite all they want, that league doesn't seem interested in expanding, and if they did, I think they would go for an established FBS member first.

That is exactly right, At the last CUSA meeting they not only voted to stay at 14. they also stated if they lost any teams they would replace with FBS teams not start ups from FCS.

So JMU , MSU and others the SBC you last train leaving the station.

Personally I see JMU in the SBC, unless if course UMASS goes all spirts MAC.

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(07-13-2013 03:53 PM)panama Wrote:  We are not their only option

What are their other options? The MAC? Why would they take them if UMass is not working out for them?

What other choices do they have.

1) That CUSA will take them over Ark State or ULL?
2) That the AAC will take them over every existing CUSA and SBC team (and NIU)

I'd be happy for someone else to take them. That would mean that they aren't raiding us.

(07-13-2013 06:50 PM)hburg Wrote:  Personally I see JMU in the SBC, unless if course UMASS goes all spirts MAC.

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That won't happen. UMass' FBS football dreams are not very popular with a lot of people up in Amherst. I think if the MAC tries to force UMass' hand, you'll see UMass park football in the Belt (which actually helps out both) and keep their basketball in the A-10. Or just drop back to FCS.

Why on earth would the SBC take UMass? Does Idaho need a rival or something?

(07-13-2013 08:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Why on earth would the SBC take UMass? Does Idaho need a rival or something?

A football only way to get to 12 that makes as much sense as Idaho. Actually not a bad option if JMU and Mo St won't accept. A conference championship game is needed and hanging in limbo at 11 is awkward for more than a year. If SBC is going to stay at 11, Benson should have stopped at 9. Benson knew WKU was leaving so why did he go to 11 without have a 12th lined up?