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RE: Worst coach in college football
(07-12-2013 11:54 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
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(07-12-2013 11:18 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(07-12-2013 03:18 AM)goofus Wrote:  
(07-11-2013 11:59 AM)nuftw Wrote:  What's Ferentz's buyout again? 03-nutkick

Ferentz is obviously not one of the five worst coaches. A more interesting question would be "Who is the worst coach among those who been at their school a long time?"

Here are all coaches who have been at their school since at least 2006 (which I chose as a somewhat arbitrary cutoff).

Frank Beamer
Mack Brown
Bob Stoops
Kirk Ferentz
Jim Grobe
Gary Pinkel
Mark Richt
Mike Riley
Kyle Whittingham
Mike Gundy
Steve Spurrier
Pat Fitzgerald

I would definitely put Ferentz towards the bottom end of this list, maybe at the bottom (either him or Gary Pinkel).

Yes, I am so glad you got my point. Bad coaches dont last. THEY GET FIRED. I look at your list of long term coaches, not a single one is a bad coach. They have earned the benefit of the doubt because of past success. But if you had to rank long term coaches, I would agree Ferentz and Pinkel are most in trouble right now. Although Jim grobe and kyle Whittingham have not done much lately either. Great analysis. Good job!

I'll ask again. Why the hell in Bob Stoops on that list? Shall we pull up his overall record at Oklahoma?

I think he was just listing all coaches who remain at their schools since 2006, not actually bad coaches.

Ah IC

Yeah those are just the coaches still around from at least 2006. Stoops would be near the top in my list (they're currently in order of first year coaching). He's lost a couple big games, but 8 conference titles in 14 years is amazing. If I were to rank them, I might give an edge to guys who have won at non-traditional places (i.e. not Oklahoma). Grobe had a bad year, but his longterm success at Wake Forest is amazing. Oregon State was the worst program in college football when Riley took over. Fitzgerald has been a player or coach for 7 of Northwestern's 9 bowl games. Stoops has been good, but I can't say he's substantially exceeded Oklahoma's past success.
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RE: Worst coach in college football
(07-13-2013 12:59 AM)nuftw Wrote:  Oregon State was the worst program in college football when Riley took over.

Oregon State was terrible before the first time Riley was the head coach there. He took the job in 1997, after the Beavs had been 10-62-1 the previous 7 seasons. Riley's team was 5-6 in his second season (and that was their first 5-win season since 1971), and was then hired as the Chargers head coach.

Dennis Erickson did a good job with the team Riley left behind for four years (31-17 in four years), and Riley went back to Oregon State in 2003 after Erickson was hired as the 49ers' head coach.
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RE: Worst coach in college football
(07-11-2013 10:05 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Weis stumbled after a decent start at ND, and he needs to start showing improvement at KU, but I think that there's a bit of the reporter resentment of a prickly coach at play as well. Hell hath no fury like a reporter scorned.

I agree. Weiss actually is pretty decent as a coach IMO. He went to two BCS bowls (and yes, they deserved them both). I thought his problem at ND was with recruiting, not with coaching. We'll see how he does at KU though, because their cupboard was bare to start with.
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Kirk Ferentz absolutely belongs on the list. He is being shown to be a decent leader who is handicapped by his need for strong Coordinators. He has made a fortune off of having some amazing Coordinators.

That being said though, what Kiffin has failed to do at USC with those amazing recruits is just ridiculous.
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RE: Worst coach in college football
(07-13-2013 12:59 AM)nuftw Wrote:  
(07-12-2013 11:54 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(07-12-2013 11:31 PM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  
(07-12-2013 11:18 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(07-12-2013 03:18 AM)goofus Wrote:  Yes, I am so glad you got my point. Bad coaches dont last. THEY GET FIRED. I look at your list of long term coaches, not a single one is a bad coach. They have earned the benefit of the doubt because of past success. But if you had to rank long term coaches, I would agree Ferentz and Pinkel are most in trouble right now. Although Jim grobe and kyle Whittingham have not done much lately either. Great analysis. Good job!

I'll ask again. Why the hell in Bob Stoops on that list? Shall we pull up his overall record at Oklahoma?

I think he was just listing all coaches who remain at their schools since 2006, not actually bad coaches.

Ah IC

Yeah those are just the coaches still around from at least 2006. Stoops would be near the top in my list (they're currently in order of first year coaching). He's lost a couple big games, but 8 conference titles in 14 years is amazing. If I were to rank them, I might give an edge to guys who have won at non-traditional places (i.e. not Oklahoma). Grobe had a bad year, but his longterm success at Wake Forest is amazing. Oregon State was the worst program in college football when Riley took over. Fitzgerald has been a player or coach for 7 of Northwestern's 9 bowl games. Stoops has been good, but I can't say he's substantially exceeded Oklahoma's past success.

also Frank Solich, at Ohio since 2005.
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RE: Worst coach in college football
(07-13-2013 01:23 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(07-11-2013 10:05 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Weis stumbled after a decent start at ND, and he needs to start showing improvement at KU, but I think that there's a bit of the reporter resentment of a prickly coach at play as well. Hell hath no fury like a reporter scorned.

I agree. Weiss actually is pretty decent as a coach IMO. He went to two BCS bowls (and yes, they deserved them both). I thought his problem at ND was with recruiting, not with coaching. We'll see how he does at KU though, because their cupboard was bare to start with.



Charlie Weis was an improvement, marginally, over Ty Willingham. That was because Willingham was a figurehead, a non-coach, a "stoic figure" on the sidelines who mainly flipped his microphone up and down and held his single digit up in the air after infrequent Notre Dame touchdowns. (That, and running to take a crap in the locker room during a game against Michigan State on national TV).

Willingham made few actual in game decisions and much, much preferred spending a great deal of his time playing golf at Warren Golf Course on the Notre Dame campus over going out and actually trying to recruit future college football players.

Weis never really concentrated on recruiting or coaching/developing defensive star players.

His focus was on offense, particularly offensive skill players. He coddled and spent the majority of his time and attention with/on offensive stars like Brady Quinn, Jimmy Clausen, Jeff Samardzija, Michael Floyd, Kyle Rudolph and Golden Tate, among others.

The defense and the non-high profile offensive guys didn't like that and cliques and factions developed.

He didn't know how to create team unity on a college football team.

Weis was able to prove that Notre Dame could still recruit blue chip star offensive players after the Willingham years' multiple recruiting fiascos. He does get credit for that.

However, Charlie Weis had never been a college football head coach. He made a lot of "rookie" mistakes based upon inexperience, arrogance and his misconception that the "New England Patriots Way" could be imported into the college game.

He put together his first coaching staff by telephone without meeting with or having a prior working relationship with them.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...over_x.htm

The defense languished from both recruiting and coaching deficiencies.

He mostly delegated defensive coaching and hired DC's like Rick Minter, Jon Tenuta and Corwin Brown, whom he cycled through often and subjected the defense to continual coaching and system changes.

Weis concentrated on his self appointed offensive coordinator duties. He concerned himself mainly with developing offensive schemes and calling plays, to the detriment of his duties as the head coach of the entire football team.

Finally, Weis was a pro coach, not a college one. He tried to use pro coaching styles/techniques on college players, to poor effect.

He lacked the charisma, inclination and experience with the college game to motivate his players. He thought they would/should just go do their jobs, like guys in pro football did.

He had no prior college head coaching experience. Notre Dame is not the best place for OJT. Ask Gerry Faust and Bob Davie.

Ara Parseghian and Lou Holtz often said that they needed to draw upon every minute of college head coaching experience they had to handle the multiple demands of the Notre Dame job.

Give me a head coach with lots of prior college experience like Brian Kelly over a non-college experienced "guru" like Charlie Weis.

I believe that Jack Swarbrick and the rest of the Notre Dame administration have finally learned that lesson. I doubt that you will see inexperienced guys like Weis, Davie or Faust roaming the ND sideline any time soon.
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RE: Worst coach in college football
(07-11-2013 08:16 AM)S11 Wrote:  First off I refuse to believe ANYONE will ever be worse than Kevin Steele was

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Remember when he tried to punch in a meaningless TD against UNLV and it backfired into a game losing 100 yard dash for the Rebels? Heck, how can you forget?


(07-11-2013 11:12 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Kiffin and Ferentz are mucking things up and are very overpaid. And we love to make fun of Lame Kitten, but he's nowhere near the worst.

S11 is on the right track with guys like Kevin Steele, the former Baylor head coach.

Tom Holmoe (current BYU AD) was awful when he was Cal's head coach. As a fan, you don't truly know what terrible is until you've watched your team coached by a Holmoe.

But the "winner" of this race to the bottom might be Dan Hawkins at Colorado. Steele took Baylor from bad to terrible, Holmoe took Cal from mediocre to terrible, Hawkins "wins" because he took CU from very good to terrible.

You mean like how we went from Kevin Sumlin to Tony Levine and went from a near-BCS buster to some of the most embarrassing losses in school history? Levine was a rookie so we'll see if he improves but if not we have a candidate here in the Bayou City.

And if we're going the historic route, Kim Helton should be on here. The Love Coach is the single biggest reason UH went from being nationally respected to a horrid mid-major in half a decade's time. His saving grace that earned him a few years was winning the original C-USA crown.
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(07-11-2013 10:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(07-11-2013 10:19 PM)LouPower Wrote:  John Blake is in the historically inept department. It's hard to not be really good at Oklahoma, isn't it?

Howard Schnellenberger is in that department as well.

You mean the same coach that saved Miami from dropping FBS football and led them to a national title as an undermanned team less than five years after the school almost dropped out of FBS? Or the coach that took Louisville to a major bowl less than a decade later, long before Louisville was considered a major program?

I can think of at least 100 coaches who accomplished a lot less.
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RE: Worst coach in college football
(07-12-2013 03:18 AM)goofus Wrote:  
(07-11-2013 11:59 AM)nuftw Wrote:  
(07-11-2013 11:31 AM)goofus Wrote:  
(07-11-2013 11:12 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Kiffin and Ferentz are mucking things up and are very overpaid. And we love to make fun of Lame Kitten, but he's nowhere near the worst.

S11 is on the right track with guys like Kevin Steele, the former Baylor head coach.

Tom Holmoe (current BYU AD) was awful when he was Cal's head coach. As a fan, you don't truly know what terrible is until you've watched your team coached by a Holmoe.

But the "winner" of this race to the bottom might be Dan Hawkins at Colorado. Steele took Baylor from bad to terrible, Holmoe took Cal from mediocre to terrible, Hawkins "wins" because he took CU from very good to terrible.

This is the hard part of making a worst coaches list. Bad coaches get fired so you cant put them on the list.

What's Ferentz's buyout again? 03-nutkick

Ferentz is obviously not one of the five worst coaches. A more interesting question would be "Who is the worst coach among those who been at their school a long time?"

Here are all coaches who have been at their school since at least 2006 (which I chose as a somewhat arbitrary cutoff).

Frank Beamer
Mack Brown
Bob Stoops
Kirk Ferentz
Jim Grobe
Gary Pinkel
Mark Richt
Mike Riley
Kyle Whittingham
Mike Gundy
Steve Spurrier
Pat Fitzgerald

I would definitely put Ferentz towards the bottom end of this list, maybe at the bottom (either him or Gary Pinkel).

Yes, I am so glad you got my point. Bad coaches dont last. THEY GET FIRED. I look at your list of long term coaches, not a single one is a bad coach. They have earned the benefit of the doubt because of past success. But if you had to rank long term coaches, I would agree Ferentz and Pinkel are most in trouble right now. Although Jim grobe and kyle Whittingham have not done much lately either. Great analysis. Good job!

there is an exception to every rule and that exception is the worst coach of all time. Watson Brown is 122-190-1 as a coach and still has a job. he has the most losses of any coach with an overall losing record and is 10 away for having the most losses of any coach in history. when he left UAB we had 44 players on scholarship and APR penalties. its been six years and we are still feeling the effects of Watson Brown.
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Larry Coker

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Ellis Johnson

John Thompson

Dave Wannstadt

John Shoop, but actually he was only an offensive coordinator
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I wasn't going to mention him since he was out of coaching. But seeing as how he was just hired by Texas yesterday...

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/i...h_gre.html

Greg Robinson...







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(07-19-2013 08:36 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Ellis Johnson

John Thompson

Dave Wannstadt

John Shoop, but actually he was only an offensive coordinator

He is now at Purdue.
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(07-19-2013 09:59 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  
(07-19-2013 08:36 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Ellis Johnson

John Thompson

Dave Wannstadt

John Shoop, but actually he was only an offensive coordinator

He is now at Purdue.

No excuse for Purdue to hire that guy. He stunk for the Bears and he stunk at UNC.
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(07-19-2013 08:48 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  I wasn't going to mention him since he was out of coaching. But seeing as how he was just hired by Texas yesterday...

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/i...h_gre.html

Greg Robinson...








You beat me to it. He may be the worst ever.
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(07-20-2013 08:26 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-19-2013 08:48 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  I wasn't going to mention him since he was out of coaching. But seeing as how he was just hired by Texas yesterday...

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/i...h_gre.html

Greg Robinson...







You beat me to it. He may be the worst ever.
Plenty of WVU fans noticed this move as well... 04-cheers
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(07-11-2013 06:14 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(07-10-2013 11:49 PM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  Beckman was essentially on the Penn State campus trying to steal Penn State players once sanctions were announced. Seeing him lose is great...

Yup. It was a shame O'Brien didn't hang another 3-4 scores on them last season. I'm sure the players would have under a more tactless coach.

My vote goes to the Lame. USC is going to walk right into more sanctions once he's left 'SC.

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Steve Kragthorpe?
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