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(07-02-2013 05:54 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 05:39 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Of which you were never able to dominate in ... really ... anything.

I didn't even know you guys were still up there. Welcome to the SunBolt or Southland 2.0!

I remember a cpl. of fun trips to usl for games back when we had a football team..I hope you guys dont bail like the others..
07-02-2013 06:02 PM
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(07-02-2013 06:02 PM)runamuck Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 05:54 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 05:39 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Of which you were never able to dominate in ... really ... anything.

I didn't even know you guys were still up there. Welcome to the SunBolt or Southland 2.0!

I remember a cpl. of fun trips to usl for games back when we had a football team..I hope you guys dont bail like the others..
Any of us will bail at the first chance. Some of us are more honest than others. You guys should start planning your exit now.
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RE: Welcome Texas Arlington!
(07-02-2013 05:54 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 05:39 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Of which you were never able to dominate in ... really ... anything.

I didn't even know you guys were still up there. Welcome to the SunBolt or Southland 2.0!

If we are comparing this to the SLC, UTA finished ahead of USL 5 times, behind 4 times and tied once in FB. In Basketball, UTA was ahead 5 times and behind 6 times. In baseball ULL was ahead of UTA 7 times and behind 3. And in the only women's sport where they were conference mates, UTA finished ahead of the Cajuns once, behind twice and tied twice in softball.

A couple of qualifiers. In basketball, USL was issued penalty in men's basketball in the '70's. UTA didn't come into prominence in baseball until the '80's. And the Cajuns were an affiliate member in softball from its admittance into the NCAA in 1983 until the American South was formed in 1988.

Let's not act like ya'll are the be all end all and were just so awesome at sports that you had outgrown the SLC and all of its competitors. Ya'll left because the SLC was reclassified as a 1-AA league and the SLC kicked out the rest of your sports.
07-02-2013 06:19 PM
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(07-02-2013 06:19 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 05:54 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 05:39 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Of which you were never able to dominate in ... really ... anything.

I didn't even know you guys were still up there. Welcome to the SunBolt or Southland 2.0!

If we are comparing this to the SLC, UTA finished ahead of USL 5 times, behind 4 times and tied once in FB. In Basketball, UTA was ahead 5 times and behind 6 times. In baseball ULL was ahead of UTA 7 times and behind 3. And in the only women's sport where they were conference mates, UTA finished ahead of the Cajuns once, behind twice and tied twice in softball.

A couple of qualifiers. In basketball, USL was issued penalty in men's basketball in the '70's. UTA didn't come into prominence in baseball until the '80's. And the Cajuns were an affiliate member in softball from its admittance into the NCAA in 1983 until the American South was formed in 1988.

Let's not act like ya'll are the be all end all and were just so awesome at sports that you had outgrown the SLC and all of its competitors. Ya'll left because the SLC was reclassified as a 1-AA league and the SLC kicked out the rest of your sports.

You are talking ancient history here. You didn't mention why we received the death penalty. We were playing with African American players. Never said we dominated the SLC. We left because we weren't going 1-AA just like you said. The SLC kicked out the rest of our sports? I don't remember that but I was still in high school and interested in other things besides college sports. Has UTA ever gone to the CWS in baseball? You speak of prominence in baseball. What is that based on?
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A lot of good teams have never made the CWS. To get your team to recognizable, beyond your conference, is a first step. TXST and UTA have done that just this past decade.

TXST is relatively young in college baseball terms and we had to wait for Ty Harrington to take control. Prominence and excellence are 2 different animals; in the context here. The 2 teams have garnered national recognition; something that wasn't there before. (Hunter Pence and Paul Goldschmidt have also helped get the names out there.)
We had narry a scout at games just a few years ago. Now we have 4-5 every game and many times more. The word has gotten out about these programs. That's the point.

I just get the feeling you are just pissed we are in the SBC and everything we say will be put under fine tooth comb scrutiny.
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(07-02-2013 08:24 PM)CatMom Wrote:  I just get the feeling you are just pissed we are in the SBC and everything we say will be put under fine tooth comb scrutiny.

I'm not upset that you guys are in the Belt. I'm just upset we are still in it. You guys just upgraded. I'm ready for an upgrade.03-hissyfit03-banghead

I'm off of work for a while and these are the dog days of summer. I'm bored! I need to get over it and look forward to another great season of football. The Saints will be back and the Cajuns will be good again! Ten years ago that didn't seem possible.
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(07-02-2013 07:10 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 06:19 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 05:54 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 05:39 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Of which you were never able to dominate in ... really ... anything.

I didn't even know you guys were still up there. Welcome to the SunBolt or Southland 2.0!

If we are comparing this to the SLC, UTA finished ahead of USL 5 times, behind 4 times and tied once in FB. In Basketball, UTA was ahead 5 times and behind 6 times. In baseball ULL was ahead of UTA 7 times and behind 3. And in the only women's sport where they were conference mates, UTA finished ahead of the Cajuns once, behind twice and tied twice in softball.

A couple of qualifiers. In basketball, USL was issued penalty in men's basketball in the '70's. UTA didn't come into prominence in baseball until the '80's. And the Cajuns were an affiliate member in softball from its admittance into the NCAA in 1983 until the American South was formed in 1988.

Let's not act like ya'll are the be all end all and were just so awesome at sports that you had outgrown the SLC and all of its competitors. Ya'll left because the SLC was reclassified as a 1-AA league and the SLC kicked out the rest of your sports.

You are talking ancient history here. You didn't mention why we received the death penalty. We were playing with African American players. Never said we dominated the SLC. We left because we weren't going 1-AA just like you said. The SLC kicked out the rest of our sports? I don't remember that but I was still in high school and interested in other things besides college sports. Has UTA ever gone to the CWS in baseball? You speak of prominence in baseball. What is that based on?

Didn't know an NCAA penalty was different based on the cause. We finished ahead of you because of penalties and sanctions. Does it make a difference that we finished aheas of you because of that?

The NCAA bylaws at that time required all members of the conference to field a football and basketball team. From what I understand, ya'll either asked for a waiver or for the by-laws to change and were denied.

As for baseball, you have barely ever had to get past a team like Texas (55 NCAA's, 34 CWS's, 6 Nat Champs, only four losing seasons since 1896). All but two of our NCAA's had us losing to them at some point. Same thing for Lamar, both as a Sun Belter and twice SLCer, and the Cardinals are one of the more dominant Texas baseball teams. Before the turn of the century, all Texas teams would be in the same regional. LSU didn't come into prominence until the '90's. Texas was a perennial CWS team from the '50's until just a couple years ago. The only Texas team I can remember to get past UT-Austin was UTPA once. It just is what it is.
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RE: Welcome Texas Arlington!
(07-03-2013 07:57 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 07:10 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 06:19 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 05:54 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 05:39 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Of which you were never able to dominate in ... really ... anything.

I didn't even know you guys were still up there. Welcome to the SunBolt or Southland 2.0!

If we are comparing this to the SLC, UTA finished ahead of USL 5 times, behind 4 times and tied once in FB. In Basketball, UTA was ahead 5 times and behind 6 times. In baseball ULL was ahead of UTA 7 times and behind 3. And in the only women's sport where they were conference mates, UTA finished ahead of the Cajuns once, behind twice and tied twice in softball.

A couple of qualifiers. In basketball, USL was issued penalty in men's basketball in the '70's. UTA didn't come into prominence in baseball until the '80's. And the Cajuns were an affiliate member in softball from its admittance into the NCAA in 1983 until the American South was formed in 1988.

Let's not act like ya'll are the be all end all and were just so awesome at sports that you had outgrown the SLC and all of its competitors. Ya'll left because the SLC was reclassified as a 1-AA league and the SLC kicked out the rest of your sports.

You are talking ancient history here. You didn't mention why we received the death penalty. We were playing with African American players. Never said we dominated the SLC. We left because we weren't going 1-AA just like you said. The SLC kicked out the rest of our sports? I don't remember that but I was still in high school and interested in other things besides college sports. Has UTA ever gone to the CWS in baseball? You speak of prominence in baseball. What is that based on?

Didn't know an NCAA penalty was different based on the cause. We finished ahead of you because of penalties and sanctions. Does it make a difference that we finished aheas of you because of that?

The NCAA bylaws at that time required all members of the conference to field a football and basketball team. From what I understand, ya'll either asked for a waiver or for the by-laws to change and were denied.

As for baseball, you have barely ever had to get past a team like Texas (55 NCAA's, 34 CWS's, 6 Nat Champs, only four losing seasons since 1896). All but two of our NCAA's had us losing to them at some point. Same thing for Lamar, both as a Sun Belter and twice SLCer, and the Cardinals are one of the more dominant Texas baseball teams. Before the turn of the century, all Texas teams would be in the same regional. LSU didn't come into prominence until the '90's. Texas was a perennial CWS team from the '50's until just a couple years ago. The only Texas team I can remember to get past UT-Austin was UTPA once. It just is what it is.

It's never easy getting to a CWS regardless the region. The one we did make we were a #2 regional seed (host), beating ECU, then traveled to National #1 South Carolina to take 2 of 3. That was a gritty team!

As for being "kicked out" of the SLC, I thought it was conference members that denied allowing USL to remain with football playing D-1; not the NCAA.
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(07-03-2013 08:26 AM)Shof Wrote:  
(07-03-2013 07:57 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 07:10 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 06:19 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(07-02-2013 05:54 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  I didn't even know you guys were still up there. Welcome to the SunBolt or Southland 2.0!

If we are comparing this to the SLC, UTA finished ahead of USL 5 times, behind 4 times and tied once in FB. In Basketball, UTA was ahead 5 times and behind 6 times. In baseball ULL was ahead of UTA 7 times and behind 3. And in the only women's sport where they were conference mates, UTA finished ahead of the Cajuns once, behind twice and tied twice in softball.

A couple of qualifiers. In basketball, USL was issued penalty in men's basketball in the '70's. UTA didn't come into prominence in baseball until the '80's. And the Cajuns were an affiliate member in softball from its admittance into the NCAA in 1983 until the American South was formed in 1988.

Let's not act like ya'll are the be all end all and were just so awesome at sports that you had outgrown the SLC and all of its competitors. Ya'll left because the SLC was reclassified as a 1-AA league and the SLC kicked out the rest of your sports.

You are talking ancient history here. You didn't mention why we received the death penalty. We were playing with African American players. Never said we dominated the SLC. We left because we weren't going 1-AA just like you said. The SLC kicked out the rest of our sports? I don't remember that but I was still in high school and interested in other things besides college sports. Has UTA ever gone to the CWS in baseball? You speak of prominence in baseball. What is that based on?

Didn't know an NCAA penalty was different based on the cause. We finished ahead of you because of penalties and sanctions. Does it make a difference that we finished aheas of you because of that?

The NCAA bylaws at that time required all members of the conference to field a football and basketball team. From what I understand, ya'll either asked for a waiver or for the by-laws to change and were denied.

As for baseball, you have barely ever had to get past a team like Texas (55 NCAA's, 34 CWS's, 6 Nat Champs, only four losing seasons since 1896). All but two of our NCAA's had us losing to them at some point. Same thing for Lamar, both as a Sun Belter and twice SLCer, and the Cardinals are one of the more dominant Texas baseball teams. Before the turn of the century, all Texas teams would be in the same regional. LSU didn't come into prominence until the '90's. Texas was a perennial CWS team from the '50's until just a couple years ago. The only Texas team I can remember to get past UT-Austin was UTPA once. It just is what it is.

It's never easy getting to a CWS regardless the region. The one we did make we were a #2 regional seed (host), beating ECU, then traveled to National #1 South Carolina to take 2 of 3. That was a gritty team!

As for being "kicked out" of the SLC, I thought it was conference members that denied allowing USL to remain with football playing D-1; not the NCAA.

Some have it easier than others. Texas is arguably the most successful team in the entire country. Getting there is never an easy task, but that is the nature of sports. Some are harder than others. UT-Austin has more 60 win seasons than losing seasons. It just is what it is. If you can't see the task UTA, TXST, Lamar or Sam Houston have in getting to the CWS, there is nothing I will say that will change your mind.

As for kicked out, if the SLC bylaws were that each member of the conference participate in football and basketball, then it would have to be an SLC matter, not NCAA. In 1986, after we dropped our program, our men's teams were independents for a year. Then the bylaws were changed and we were admitted back in. Before that, there never was a team that didn't play football. Shortly thereafter, UTSA went from the A-Sun (TAAC at the time) to the SLC, because the bylaws were changed.
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Since I haven't started up a blog about UTA as I have been considering, I am going to post some thoughts about UTA's move to the Sun Belt here.

While the Southland and Sun Belt are comparable in many regards, there are some teams that will benefit from being in the Sun Belt more. Here's a list of the major team sports. Listed in order of greatest impact.

Softball - UTA was a really good team in the SLC. They still rank number one in total SLC conference wins and fourth in winning percentage (behind two current SBCer's), have five regular season outright or shared titles and seven runner-up positions, but one NCAA tourney berth. The SLC has sent multiple teams to the NCAA tourney once, ever. UTA has struggled in the SLC tournament, making it to the championship game only four times, with only one win. All time they are barely over .400 in the SLC tourney (they went 1-2 this year in the WAC). Having an at-large chance, as the SBC proved this year, could be an advantage. In the one year UTA made the tourney, they went 2-2. TXST will also benefit, as they have seven wins in six NCAA appearances. All the other teams in the SLC have a combined win total of six (and Nichols St got two of those in one year).

Football - It doesn't make sense for UTA to join the WAC, with an increase in conference payout, but a large increase in travel costs compared to the SLC, unless football is in play somewhere. The WAC, as a FBS conference, would make the move a little more wise. Then when the WAC imploded. Where does UTA move? Another FBS conference in the Sun Belt. While the SBC makes a lot more sense geographically than the WAC did, with teams from Seattle, WA, San Jose, CA, Denver, CO and Logan UT, it still has far higher travel costs than the SLC does. While the case could be made that upgrading sports made a move necessary, adding football seems to make that equation balance out better, especially in the fast moving world of realignment.

Baseball - UTA's marquee sport was nationally competitive and had numerous SLC titles. In a league that has placed more than the auto -bid somewhat often, UTA could have more than one route into the NCAA's. With the SBC placing four this year, they have a higher caliber, meaning UTA could be playing for more than just a berth, but seeding and depending on how the chips fall, hosting a regional.

Men's basketball - UTA was going to improve in this sport, regardless of conferences. After decades playing in Texas Hall, coupled with terrible play from two of the other three DFW teams and a coach on the radar, the Mavericks were going to start winning more than their history indicates. With the loss of MTSU, UNT and eventually WKU, the SBC is what it once was in the sport. Like the SLC, the SBC is probably a one-bid league in the future. The past version of the WAC was a better conference than the SBC, and that was with castoffs like Seattle and San Jose occupying the 270 or worse RPI's. At least compared to the SLC, the SBC doesn't have very many 300 RPI teams.

Volleyball - Honestly, regardless of conference, there isn't much room for decline for UTA, especially compared to what it was. The SLC was a mid-level D1 conference, good enough for one bid, but the seeding wasn't terrible, but still enough to schedule a team that was supposed to romp. At UTA, the program just has to start winning, period. With a conference that doesn't look much different in the RPI than the WAC or SLC did, UTA shouldn't have as hard a time getting back to where they were, especially in a conference with a few Louisiana schools and WKU and MTSU leaving.

Women's basketball - The one real sport that might be an even trade, maybe a downgrade. The loss of MTSU and their 16 appearances is a big loss for the SBC, they had an at-large in 2012. The SLC consistently had their league rep as an 11-13 seed when UTA was winning the SLC a few years ago. The last non-MTSU team from the SBC was a 14.
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