Andrews and Jackson have picked up more AA preseason honors. Andrews might get enough to be considered Consensus.

Look like they are pretty jaded to me. Only 2 SBC players mentioned are Andrews and Jackson but that is 3rd & 4th team. He is saying that there are 8 running backs better than Antonio, has him as third team AP? I must be looking at different info than you are.

I didn't say that they were high on him, but they are listed as AA...

(07-03-2013 05:16 PM)Franko Wrote:  Look like they are pretty jaded to me. Only 2 SBC players mentioned are Andrews and Jackson but that is 3rd & 4th team. He is saying that there are 8 running backs better than Antonio, has him as third team AP? I must be looking at different info than you are.

How many FBS running backs are there? Even if you just figure 2(that will get real touches, catches, KR/PR) that's like 250. You think he's been slighted?

(07-03-2013 08:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 05:16 PM)Franko Wrote:  Look like they are pretty jaded to me. Only 2 SBC players mentioned are Andrews and Jackson but that is 3rd & 4th team. He is saying that there are 8 running backs better than Antonio, has him as third team AP? I must be looking at different info than you are.

How many FBS running backs are there? Even if you just figure 2(that will get real touches, catches, KR/PR) that's like 250. You think he's been slighted?

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You have to admit if he played for a power conference team and put up the second most all purpose yards in NCAA history I say odds are he would make the top 8. Example Silas Redd @ USC who Steele had on his 4th team rushed for 905 yds & averaged 5.42 while Antonio rushed for 1,728 yds & averaged 5.68. is Redd more deserving? I mean you could dissect this further but bottom line is the edge will go to the player who played for what is perceived as the more notable program.

(07-03-2013 09:00 PM)Franko Wrote:  Example Silas Redd @ USC who Steele had on his 4th team rushed for 905 yds & averaged 5.42 while Antonio rushed for 1,728 yds & averaged 5.68. is Redd more deserving?

If Anotonio played for a Power Conference, he probably wouldn't have 5.42 per carry and again wouldn't be in the top. The fact that the two yards per carry are so close only means Antonio got more carries. You could argue more carries means a stronger more durable back, but I still think he'd come short against defenses that aren't Austin Peay, SBC, Southern Miss, Kentucky or Central Michigan. Playing in AQ conferences week in week out is much tougher than what he had to deal with last season. You played one good team, Alabama. You can't be considered a Top 8 running back when your schedules one of the easiest in the country.

(07-03-2013 09:00 PM)Franko Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 08:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 05:16 PM)Franko Wrote:  Look like they are pretty jaded to me. Only 2 SBC players mentioned are Andrews and Jackson but that is 3rd & 4th team. He is saying that there are 8 running backs better than Antonio, has him as third team AP? I must be looking at different info than you are.

How many FBS running backs are there? Even if you just figure 2(that will get real touches, catches, KR/PR) that's like 250. You think he's been slighted?

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You have to admit if he played for a power conference team and put up the second most all purpose yards in NCAA history I say odds are he would make the top 8. Example Silas Redd @ USC who Steele had on his 4th team rushed for 905 yds & averaged 5.42 while Antonio rushed for 1,728 yds & averaged 5.68. is Redd more deserving? I mean you could dissect this further but bottom line is the edge will go to the player who played for what is perceived as the more notable program.

Yeah and if I had wheels I'd be a wagon. Andrews doesnt play for a power conference team and if he did he'd have more competition for touches and be playing tougher competition week in and week out. I'm not saying the guy's not talented, I'm not saying he couldn't play for a power conference team, but there's a reason he ended up at Western and there's a reason he'll be lucky to be drafted and be lucky to spend five years in the league. Just ask Patrick Cobb, Jamario Thomas, Reggie Arnold, Dwone Hicks, Tyrell Fenroy, Bobby Rainey, Lance Dunbar or any other prolific back to play in the Sun Belt. I'm not saying Andrews couldn't be the next Alfred Morris, but the lack of next level success by Sun Belt running backs does support the notion that their stats are inflated from a weaker competition.

(07-03-2013 09:20 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 09:00 PM)Franko Wrote:  Example Silas Redd @ USC who Steele had on his 4th team rushed for 905 yds & averaged 5.42 while Antonio rushed for 1,728 yds & averaged 5.68. is Redd more deserving?

If Anotonio played for a Power Conference, he probably wouldn't have 5.42 per carry and again wouldn't be in the top. The fact that the two yards per carry are so close only means Antonio got more carries. You could argue more carries means a stronger more durable back, but I still think he'd come short against defenses that aren't Austin Peay, SBC, Southern Miss, Kentucky or Central Michigan. Playing in AQ conferences week in week out is much tougher than what he had to deal with last season. You played one good team, Alabama. You can't be considered a Top 8 running back when your schedules one of the easiest in the country.

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So a guy who plays for what is considered a lower level FBS program never deserves AA honors because their schedule is always going to be weaker. Apparently most sports writers feel the same way. I see your point but it does have it's fallacies. Let me throw one more stat out there. USC's Redd rushed for 17 yds on 13 carries against Standford (no. 5 in rushing defense) and 57 yds on 13 carries against Arizona (no. 105 in rushing defense). while Andrews rushed for 27 yds on 7 carries against Alabama (no. 1 in rushing defense) and 136 yds on 15 carries against Southern Miss (no 108 in rushing defense).

(07-03-2013 09:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 09:00 PM)Franko Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 08:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-03-2013 05:16 PM)Franko Wrote:  Look like they are pretty jaded to me. Only 2 SBC players mentioned are Andrews and Jackson but that is 3rd & 4th team. He is saying that there are 8 running backs better than Antonio, has him as third team AP? I must be looking at different info than you are.

How many FBS running backs are there? Even if you just figure 2(that will get real touches, catches, KR/PR) that's like 250. You think he's been slighted?

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You have to admit if he played for a power conference team and put up the second most all purpose yards in NCAA history I say odds are he would make the top 8. Example Silas Redd @ USC who Steele had on his 4th team rushed for 905 yds & averaged 5.42 while Antonio rushed for 1,728 yds & averaged 5.68. is Redd more deserving? I mean you could dissect this further but bottom line is the edge will go to the player who played for what is perceived as the more notable program.

Yeah and if I had wheels I'd be a wagon. Andrews doesnt play for a power conference team and if he did he'd have more competition for touches and be playing tougher competition week in and week out. I'm not saying the guy's not talented, I'm not saying he couldn't play for a power conference team, but there's a reason he ended up at Western and there's a reason he'll be lucky to be drafted and be lucky to spend five years in the league. Just ask Patrick Cobb, Jamario Thomas, Reggie Arnold, Dwone Hicks, Tyrell Fenroy, Bobby Rainey, Lance Dunbar or any other prolific back to play in the Sun Belt. I'm not saying Andrews couldn't be the next Alfred Morris, but the lack of next level success by Sun Belt running backs does support the notion that their stats are inflated from a weaker competition.

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I understand where you are coming from but I guess it depends on what criteria Phil Steele uses to determine who to include. What you are expected to do at the next level should have no bearing on what honors you earn while playing at a collegiate level.

Antonio andrews is great. I think it would be tough to say he wouldn't be as productive in a BCS conference bc this dude is a beast! I'm sure 115/125 schools would send him a scholarship tomorrow if they knew his potential( what he is doing now )..