I talked to many students around the time of BVG & sadly the experiment away from the Spread Triple Option attack was wanted by many at the time who thought if we could win with the triple than we would really be hot as a passing team. I do not equate BVG with Hatcher, and they were two different types of personalities. I place the blame on the AD for screwing around with something that was proven to work, playing for 8 national championships in 15 years with the right coaching staff.

On a positive note I think the "Dark Ages" cemented in many minds the legend of Erk and the Paul Johnson era as a model for future coach hirings and a return to the simple blue collar traditions that distinguish GSU from other schools. While I never wanted a change from the Spread Option Attack I think many younger GSU fans now realize the uniqness of our offensive play. It was the rennisance or rebirth of traditions, prior history and COACH MONKEN, the new AD & president are a biproduct of the Dark Ages. I really like Head Coach Monken for taking on the challange of rebuilding GSU & in a fast mannrr. Now that we are FBS I hope we can pay him enough to stick around to see us through the first 5 transition years.

(06-05-2013 08:06 AM)cmaxwellgsu Wrote:  

(06-05-2013 07:09 AM)Yosef84 Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 03:04 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  The guy is a certified scumbag. But, even less of one than our former AD who hired this clown, and his successor, Chris Hatcher. Had either of those guys had another year or two, we would be looking at a Savannah State type situation.

I've seen a couple of really negative posts about Hatcher. I get the BVG hate, but don't understand the Hatcher hate. Seems to me that Hatcher started rebuilding the traditions at GaSo and had things moving in the right direction. I get that he didn't get you guys over the hump and dropped some games he shouldn't but he seemed to genuinely love the school and the fans. I've heard comments about his recruiting leading to academic issues and I do seem to recall that he was fond of signing 30 players a year and heavily using the gray shirt.

On a separate comments, Sewak wasn't a bad coach (other than the 4th quarter collapse against Tx State. Wasn't it academic and discipline issues that sealed his plate also?

The Hatcher hate is limited to about three or four people who post here, and two of them tend to post some pretty petty insults with it. I really wanted the guy to win with us, as you said you won't find a nicer guy. He also was a tremendous recruiter who left us a well stocked cupboard (Wilcox and Russell along with plenty of others), but he did have a pretty weak staff. If he had left Coach Melton in place it would have helped his cause tremendously.

Sewak's main problem is that he couldn't win come December. He also lost a few games due to terrible game management. His firing of Erk's son basically caused Erk to no longer be associated with the program. I don't really know about the academic stuff, but I have no memory of major disciplinary issues that were cause for concern.

Thanks for the comments. My recollection of the academic issues isn't of "major" issues, but I do think you guys lost 2 or 3 scholarships due to APR issues. I had forgotten about Erk's son. I can definitely see how that would alienate some folks from Sewak.

(06-05-2013 12:39 AM)T-Dog Wrote:  Hatcher's teams were soft in the end, especially in his last year. I remember watching as we demolished GaSo in Boone that year and outgained them 712-171 (15 of those GaSo yards on the ground) and cringed a bit for the state of the program. I know Hatcher also didn't have a full scholarship allotment and damn-near won the SoCon in 2007 as the Fighting Jayson Fosters, but it wasn't the same. The S&C aspects of the program were badly lacking.

Nothing like watching your Rivals QB (all 165 pounds of him) truck a linebacker. I saw that and knew hatch was done.

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(06-05-2013 02:49 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 10:30 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 03:04 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  The guy is a certified scumbag. But, even less of one than our former AD who hired this clown, and his successor, Chris Hatcher. Had either of those guys had another year or two, we would be looking at a Savannah State type situation.

BVDumbArsh: = Scum of the Earth

Baker = Bean counter with no vision.

Hatcher: A very Good guy with a good attitude, but ran a system that wasn't "Who we are".

There is a difference between edging out winning seasons and having a good personality, taking responsibility for your losses etc, and what BVGoAway did. It is shocking and shows your ignorance how you continue to slam a guy with a winning record who inherited the biggest mess in GSU history and did the best he could with what he had. Just the fact that he clashed with the Grube, Baker duo should have given him some credibility. You don't like the performance/results on the field? Fine, it wasn't winning championships and fell short of the goal, but it was a might bit better than what BVGoNAD left us with. Was it time to get back to the option? Yes. But the way it was done is disgracefull. I don't get the hate for Hatcher, maybe you are Grube's brother in law or something? I swear that there are probably on about 5 of you knuckle heads in existence who don't get that the unjustified slamming of a guy with lots of recruiting ties in this state isn't helping our program. You should really keep such negative opinions to yourself and forgo the self satisfaction you must be getting from your foul spewings for what is best for the team/program.. It is called "BIG TEAM little me"... Ever heard of it? Just keep your mouth shut if you cant say anything good about a guy who only had good things to say about us even after the way Grube and company did what they did.
Chris handled his departure with class and has shown nothing but respect for our program and fans. BVGetoutAhere ran us and all of Statesboro in the dirt on the way out the door, YET you for some asinine reason feel the need to say that Hatch is more of scumbag than him?????? What did he do, hit on your wife or something? If so, hey.. "It takes two to tango"! I hate hate to give a fellow Eagle a hard time but DANG IT MAN... ENOUGH with all the hate.

Except for BVGagamaggot who deserves what he gets because of his comments about our program, players, fans, stadium, facilities, traditions, disrespect etc. EVERYTHING Hatcher did was a complete 180 from that. You don't have to be a Hatch Attack fan to understand that.

Reading comprehension. I didn't say Hatcher was a bigger scumbag than VG, I said Baker is.

Well Skins, I'm sure glad that you didn't mean to say Hatcher was a scumbag - BUT I think the issue might be the sentence construction rather than reading comprehension.

Here is what you wrote:
eagleskins Wrote: The guy is a certified scumbag. But, even less of one than our former AD who hired this clown, and his successor, Chris Hatcher.

I guess you were trying to say that the bigger scumbag was the guy who hired bvg, which also "by the way" happened to be the same guy who hired Chris Hatcher. (Note: Same guy also hired Monken - so what is the point?) But that sentence doesn't seem to be saying that at all. Especially since you go on to slam Chris in the next sentence by seeming to imply that our teams would have become as bad as Sav.State. But maybe you didn't mean to say that either.

(06-05-2013 10:10 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(06-05-2013 02:49 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 10:30 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 03:04 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  The guy is a certified scumbag. But, even less of one than our former AD who hired this clown, and his successor, Chris Hatcher. Had either of those guys had another year or two, we would be looking at a Savannah State type situation.

BVDumbArsh: = Scum of the Earth

Baker = Bean counter with no vision.

Hatcher: A very Good guy with a good attitude, but ran a system that wasn't "Who we are".

There is a difference between edging out winning seasons and having a good personality, taking responsibility for your losses etc, and what BVGoAway did. It is shocking and shows your ignorance how you continue to slam a guy with a winning record who inherited the biggest mess in GSU history and did the best he could with what he had. Just the fact that he clashed with the Grube, Baker duo should have given him some credibility. You don't like the performance/results on the field? Fine, it wasn't winning championships and fell short of the goal, but it was a might bit better than what BVGoNAD left us with. Was it time to get back to the option? Yes. But the way it was done is disgracefull. I don't get the hate for Hatcher, maybe you are Grube's brother in law or something? I swear that there are probably on about 5 of you knuckle heads in existence who don't get that the unjustified slamming of a guy with lots of recruiting ties in this state isn't helping our program. You should really keep such negative opinions to yourself and forgo the self satisfaction you must be getting from your foul spewings for what is best for the team/program.. It is called "BIG TEAM little me"... Ever heard of it? Just keep your mouth shut if you cant say anything good about a guy who only had good things to say about us even after the way Grube and company did what they did.
Chris handled his departure with class and has shown nothing but respect for our program and fans. BVGetoutAhere ran us and all of Statesboro in the dirt on the way out the door, YET you for some asinine reason feel the need to say that Hatch is more of scumbag than him?????? What did he do, hit on your wife or something? If so, hey.. "It takes two to tango"! I hate hate to give a fellow Eagle a hard time but DANG IT MAN... ENOUGH with all the hate.

Except for BVGagamaggot who deserves what he gets because of his comments about our program, players, fans, stadium, facilities, traditions, disrespect etc. EVERYTHING Hatcher did was a complete 180 from that. You don't have to be a Hatch Attack fan to understand that.

Reading comprehension. I didn't say Hatcher was a bigger scumbag than VG, I said Baker is.

Well Skins, I'm sure glad that you didn't mean to say Hatcher was a scumbag - BUT I think the issue might be the sentence construction rather than reading comprehension.

Here is what you wrote:
eagleskins Wrote: The guy is a certified scumbag. But, even less of one than our former AD who hired this clown, and his successor, Chris Hatcher.

I guess you were trying to say that the bigger scumbag was the guy who hired bvg, which also "by the way" happened to be the same guy who hired Chris Hatcher. (Note: Same guy also hired Monken - so what is the point?) But that sentence doesn't seem to be saying that at all. Especially since you go on to slam Chris in the next sentence by seeming to imply that our teams would have become as bad as Sav.State. But maybe you didn't mean to say that either.

Okay. But, Sammy Baker was the real "scumbag" in all of this fiasco. Not VG. VG was being VG. Sammy Baker tried his hardest to destroy the brand that Erk built, while putting his "stamp" on the program.

Now, when it comes to Hatcher, I still cannot fathom the amount of love for the guy. I'll use an analogy to see if this sparks up some thought. CY, a GSU alum, who took over a program in absolute shambles, from another scumbag that was Chest Price, was drawn and quartered on the message boards.

Comparing the two, CY came into a situation 100 times more difficult. He came into a program on probation for the second time, down 3 scholarships, which is a fourth of the team in basketball. Guy took over for the ultimate scumbag in Chest Price. A program that has zero tradition, worst facility in the conference, and very little following.

Now, meanwhile, Hatcher takes over a program in transition. But, one that is already one year removed from the option. VG ran the exact same offense Hatcher ran, which is funny in and of itself. He inherited the best player in the FCS. The most tradition in the FCS. One of the best facilities in the FCS. One of the best followings in the FCS. And his team got worse every single season, while the APR kept getting worse.

Now, tell me why the first guy is getting more hate than the second guy. 13-28 in basketball for GSU is the exact same record as 5-6 in football for GSU. I know the reason, but was curious to other possible "reasons".

Can we please remove this thread...just seeing his name on the board is more than painful enough

(06-06-2013 05:53 AM)GSUALUM Wrote:  Can we please remove this thread...just seeing his name on the board is more than painful enough

You must remember the past & BVG to appreciate what we have now!

(06-06-2013 04:08 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  

(06-05-2013 10:10 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(06-05-2013 02:49 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 10:30 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 03:04 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  The guy is a certified scumbag. But, even less of one than our former AD who hired this clown, and his successor, Chris Hatcher. Had either of those guys had another year or two, we would be looking at a Savannah State type situation.

BVDumbArsh: = Scum of the Earth

Baker = Bean counter with no vision.

Hatcher: A very Good guy with a good attitude, but ran a system that wasn't "Who we are".

There is a difference between edging out winning seasons and having a good personality, taking responsibility for your losses etc, and what BVGoAway did. It is shocking and shows your ignorance how you continue to slam a guy with a winning record who inherited the biggest mess in GSU history and did the best he could with what he had. Just the fact that he clashed with the Grube, Baker duo should have given him some credibility. You don't like the performance/results on the field? Fine, it wasn't winning championships and fell short of the goal, but it was a might bit better than what BVGoNAD left us with. Was it time to get back to the option? Yes. But the way it was done is disgracefull. I don't get the hate for Hatcher, maybe you are Grube's brother in law or something? I swear that there are probably on about 5 of you knuckle heads in existence who don't get that the unjustified slamming of a guy with lots of recruiting ties in this state isn't helping our program. You should really keep such negative opinions to yourself and forgo the self satisfaction you must be getting from your foul spewings for what is best for the team/program.. It is called "BIG TEAM little me"... Ever heard of it? Just keep your mouth shut if you cant say anything good about a guy who only had good things to say about us even after the way Grube and company did what they did.
Chris handled his departure with class and has shown nothing but respect for our program and fans. BVGetoutAhere ran us and all of Statesboro in the dirt on the way out the door, YET you for some asinine reason feel the need to say that Hatch is more of scumbag than him?????? What did he do, hit on your wife or something? If so, hey.. "It takes two to tango"! I hate hate to give a fellow Eagle a hard time but DANG IT MAN... ENOUGH with all the hate.

Except for BVGagamaggot who deserves what he gets because of his comments about our program, players, fans, stadium, facilities, traditions, disrespect etc. EVERYTHING Hatcher did was a complete 180 from that. You don't have to be a Hatch Attack fan to understand that.

Reading comprehension. I didn't say Hatcher was a bigger scumbag than VG, I said Baker is.

Well Skins, I'm sure glad that you didn't mean to say Hatcher was a scumbag - BUT I think the issue might be the sentence construction rather than reading comprehension.

Here is what you wrote:
eagleskins Wrote: The guy is a certified scumbag. But, even less of one than our former AD who hired this clown, and his successor, Chris Hatcher.

I guess you were trying to say that the bigger scumbag was the guy who hired bvg, which also "by the way" happened to be the same guy who hired Chris Hatcher. (Note: Same guy also hired Monken - so what is the point?) But that sentence doesn't seem to be saying that at all. Especially since you go on to slam Chris in the next sentence by seeming to imply that our teams would have become as bad as Sav.State. But maybe you didn't mean to say that either.

Okay. But, Sammy Baker was the real "scumbag" in all of this fiasco. Not VG. VG was being VG. Sammy Baker tried his hardest to destroy the brand that Erk built, while putting his "stamp" on the program.

Now, when it comes to Hatcher, I still cannot fathom the amount of love for the guy. I'll use an analogy to see if this sparks up some thought. CY, a GSU alum, who took over a program in absolute shambles, from another scumbag that was Chest Price, was drawn and quartered on the message boards.

Comparing the two, CY came into a situation 100 times more difficult. He came into a program on probation for the second time, down 3 scholarships, which is a fourth of the team in basketball. Guy took over for the ultimate scumbag in Chest Price. A program that has zero tradition, worst facility in the conference, and very little following.

Now, meanwhile, Hatcher takes over a program in transition. But, one that is year already one year removed from the option. VG ran the exact same offense Hatcher ran, which is funny in and of itself. He inherited the best player in the FCS. The most tradition in the FCS. One of the best facilities in the FCS. One of the best followings in the FCS. And his team got worse every single season, while the APR kept getting worse.

Now, tell me why the first guy is getting more hate than the second guy. 13-28 in basketball for GSU is the exact same record as 5-6 in football for GSU. I know the reason, but was curious to other possible "reasons".

Couldn't tell you a thing about basketball or name one player on the team but that goes the same for any team in the nation including the NBA. Other than players I heard of being on trial, I can name only four or five players in NBA history: MJ, Dr. J, Magic Johnson, Larry Byrd(Bird?) and some guy named Spud. That's the extent of my basketball knowledge.

Football is passionately followed at Southern - anything that happens with that is going to bring more emotions by our masses - Good or Bad.

What is the difference between the two Coaches?

There is more to being a "scumbag" than winning and losing.
Attitude is one big difference. Frist, they don't run the exact same offense. How about respect and class? Chris showed both of a lot of those. His biggest fault might be loyalty, a fault that is also a plus and on that I'd take every time over the faults of the other guy. Other than win/loss record - Why would anyone hate Chris?

BVg took a winning program and ran it in the dirt while taking no responsibility for the destruction he caused. Did you see the coaching shows? What week did he not start with "This is well coached football team".. and then place all the blame on the players? You ever hear Chris do that? bvg lead the Eagles to our worse record TO DATE. 3 wins! And probably shouldn't have won all 3 of those. bvg - benched #4! bvg Insulted nearly EVERYTHING that made GSU football what it was. Remember: "There is NO OPTION"?
Did you see the exit video? If you didn't... You need to go watch that. Anybody got a link? THEN go read anything and everything you can find from Hatcher when he was let go.

Baker could not have known how much of a scum bag VG would trun out to be. I don't think Baker is that bad of a guy, I do think that he lacked vision for what our program was ready to become. I don't like a lot of what he went along with under Grube and for that - I wont defend him much. I was VERY read to see him go.... SOOO Ready.

There will NEVER be a bigger Scum of the Earth associated with our program than VanGooberNuts. Baker/Grube will always be tied to that hire.

(06-04-2013 09:03 AM)The Black Flag Wrote:  1981 - West Bloomfield HS (assistant)
1982–1983 - Boca Raton Academy
1984–1987 - American Heritage School
1988 - Boca Raton Community HS
1989–1991 - Grand Valley State (DC/LB)
1992–1994 - Wayne State
1994–1996 - Central Florida (LB/ST)
1996–1997 - Central Florida (DC)
1998–1999 - Central Michigan (DC)
2000 - Western Illinois (DC)
2001–2004 - Georgia (DC)
2005 - Jacksonville Jaguars (LB)
2006 - Georgia Southern
2007 - Atlanta Falcons (LB)
2008–2011 - Atlanta Falcons (DC)
2012 - Auburn (DC)
2013-present - New York Jets (LB)

I also think he was the DC at South Carolina for about a week during the 2008 off season.

Needless to say, he keeps his bags packed.

This should be titled "Diary of A Carpetbagger "

(06-06-2013 04:28 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 09:03 AM)The Black Flag Wrote:  1981 - West Bloomfield HS (assistant)
1982–1983 - Boca Raton Academy
1984–1987 - American Heritage School
1988 - Boca Raton Community HS
1989–1991 - Grand Valley State (DC/LB)
1992–1994 - Wayne State
1994–1996 - Central Florida (LB/ST)
1996–1997 - Central Florida (DC)
1998–1999 - Central Michigan (DC)
2000 - Western Illinois (DC)
2001–2004 - Georgia (DC)
2005 - Jacksonville Jaguars (LB)
2006 - Georgia Southern
2007 - Atlanta Falcons (LB)
2008–2011 - Atlanta Falcons (DC)
2012 - Auburn (DC)
2013-present - New York Jets (LB)

I also think he was the DC at South Carolina for about a week during the 2008 off season.

Needless to say, he keeps his bags packed.

This should be titled "Diary of A Carpetbagger "

BVG's wife is a Class A ***** and isn't "credited" nearly enough with the debacle that was their stay in Statesboro. When she was meeting some of the Old Guard Ladies of the county, she couldn't stop denigrating the area for not being like Jacksonville, Atlanta, or even Athens.

There were other incidents around town that had everyone soured even before BVG lost his opener to freaking Central Connecticut State!

Wow.

Sam Baker was the master of the nuclear option. No action often led to over reaction to deflect away from the poor management of the overall program. Conveniently positioning himself detached from the fans and even coaches in order to appear the one who must to do the dirty work for his worthy boss.



TK on the other hand is in your face, my face, and everybody's face, HANDS ON. This guy is the reverse of Sam. He's a leader who is willing to go down with the ship, accepting the risk to GROW the program. No confusion...

Seems safe to say that things were even worse than most people thought.

(06-06-2013 07:11 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 04:08 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  

(06-05-2013 10:10 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(06-05-2013 02:49 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 10:30 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  BVDumbArsh: = Scum of the Earth

Baker = Bean counter with no vision.

Hatcher: A very Good guy with a good attitude, but ran a system that wasn't "Who we are".

There is a difference between edging out winning seasons and having a good personality, taking responsibility for your losses etc, and what BVGoAway did. It is shocking and shows your ignorance how you continue to slam a guy with a winning record who inherited the biggest mess in GSU history and did the best he could with what he had. Just the fact that he clashed with the Grube, Baker duo should have given him some credibility. You don't like the performance/results on the field? Fine, it wasn't winning championships and fell short of the goal, but it was a might bit better than what BVGoNAD left us with. Was it time to get back to the option? Yes. But the way it was done is disgracefull. I don't get the hate for Hatcher, maybe you are Grube's brother in law or something? I swear that there are probably on about 5 of you knuckle heads in existence who don't get that the unjustified slamming of a guy with lots of recruiting ties in this state isn't helping our program. You should really keep such negative opinions to yourself and forgo the self satisfaction you must be getting from your foul spewings for what is best for the team/program.. It is called "BIG TEAM little me"... Ever heard of it? Just keep your mouth shut if you cant say anything good about a guy who only had good things to say about us even after the way Grube and company did what they did.
Chris handled his departure with class and has shown nothing but respect for our program and fans. BVGetoutAhere ran us and all of Statesboro in the dirt on the way out the door, YET you for some asinine reason feel the need to say that Hatch is more of scumbag than him?????? What did he do, hit on your wife or something? If so, hey.. "It takes two to tango"! I hate hate to give a fellow Eagle a hard time but DANG IT MAN... ENOUGH with all the hate.

Except for BVGagamaggot who deserves what he gets because of his comments about our program, players, fans, stadium, facilities, traditions, disrespect etc. EVERYTHING Hatcher did was a complete 180 from that. You don't have to be a Hatch Attack fan to understand that.

Reading comprehension. I didn't say Hatcher was a bigger scumbag than VG, I said Baker is.

Well Skins, I'm sure glad that you didn't mean to say Hatcher was a scumbag - BUT I think the issue might be the sentence construction rather than reading comprehension.

Here is what you wrote:
eagleskins Wrote: The guy is a certified scumbag. But, even less of one than our former AD who hired this clown, and his successor, Chris Hatcher.

I guess you were trying to say that the bigger scumbag was the guy who hired bvg, which also "by the way" happened to be the same guy who hired Chris Hatcher. (Note: Same guy also hired Monken - so what is the point?) But that sentence doesn't seem to be saying that at all. Especially since you go on to slam Chris in the next sentence by seeming to imply that our teams would have become as bad as Sav.State. But maybe you didn't mean to say that either.

Okay. But, Sammy Baker was the real "scumbag" in all of this fiasco. Not VG. VG was being VG. Sammy Baker tried his hardest to destroy the brand that Erk built, while putting his "stamp" on the program.

Now, when it comes to Hatcher, I still cannot fathom the amount of love for the guy. I'll use an analogy to see if this sparks up some thought. CY, a GSU alum, who took over a program in absolute shambles, from another scumbag that was Chest Price, was drawn and quartered on the message boards.

Comparing the two, CY came into a situation 100 times more difficult. He came into a program on probation for the second time, down 3 scholarships, which is a fourth of the team in basketball. Guy took over for the ultimate scumbag in Chest Price. A program that has zero tradition, worst facility in the conference, and very little following.

Now, meanwhile, Hatcher takes over a program in transition. But, one that is year already one year removed from the option. VG ran the exact same offense Hatcher ran, which is funny in and of itself. He inherited the best player in the FCS. The most tradition in the FCS. One of the best facilities in the FCS. One of the best followings in the FCS. And his team got worse every single season, while the APR kept getting worse.

Now, tell me why the first guy is getting more hate than the second guy. 13-28 in basketball for GSU is the exact same record as 5-6 in football for GSU. I know the reason, but was curious to other possible "reasons".

Couldn't tell you a thing about basketball or name one player on the team but that goes the same for any team in the nation including the NBA. Other than players I heard of being on trial, I can name only four or five players in NBA history: MJ, Dr. J, Magic Johnson, Larry Byrd(Bird?) and some guy named Spud. That's the extent of my basketball knowledge.

Football is passionately followed at Southern - anything that happens with that is going to bring more emotions by our masses - Good or Bad.

What is the difference between the two Coaches?

There is more to being a "scumbag" than winning and losing.
Attitude is one big difference. Frist, they don't run the exact same offense. How about respect and class? Chris showed both of a lot of those. His biggest fault might be loyalty, a fault that is also a plus and on that I'd take every time over the faults of the other guy. Other than win/loss record - Why would anyone hate Chris?

BVg took a winning program and ran it in the dirt while taking no responsibility for the destruction he caused. Did you see the coaching shows? What week did he not start with "This is well coached football team".. and then place all the blame on the players? You ever hear Chris do that? bvg lead the Eagles to our worse record TO DATE. 3 wins! And probably shouldn't have won all 3 of those. bvg - benched #4! bvg Insulted nearly EVERYTHING that made GSU football what it was. Remember: "There is NO OPTION"?
Did you see the exit video? If you didn't... You need to go watch that. Anybody got a link? THEN go read anything and everything you can find from Hatcher when he was let go.

Baker could not have known how much of a scum bag VG would trun out to be. I don't think Baker is that bad of a guy, I do think that he lacked vision for what our program was ready to become. I don't like a lot of what he went along with under Grube and for that - I wont defend him much. I was VERY read to see him go.... SOOO Ready.

There will NEVER be a bigger Scum of the Earth associated with our program than VanGooberNuts. Baker/Grube will always be tied to that hire.

You are still missing my point, I think. I'm not calling Hatcher a scumbag. Although, I don't think he was nearly as good a guy as some are making him out, mainly due to friends on the team in his era's chatter. A bad coach, yes. But, if you don't think Sammy is public enemy number one, then not much else can be said. This guy was the worst AD in D1 his entire span of his career. My only beef with Keel was not throwing him out on his face within 2 months of his hiring.

Again, BVG is going to be BVG. That is what he is. A total scumbag with delusions of grandeur. The Sammy Jackson quote about the dog in PF perfectly sums up BVG.

(04-28-2013 04:44 PM)eagleskins Wrote:  GSU just doesn't take transfers much at all. The former coach, Chrissy Hatcher did, but he was a scumbag, and an awful coach

(06-07-2013 03:33 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  I'm not calling Hatcher a scumbag.

(06-07-2013 01:13 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Seems safe to say that things were even worse than most people thought.

It was and so much worse under the former administration.
The former president set the tone for atheletics and the inept, yes-man Baker was eager to please. Basically we had a leadership that at the top wouldn't piss on the atheletics dept. if it were on fire. Couple that with an incompetent bean counter and you get over a decade of stagnation and regression in atheletics. It wasn't truly known how much the former pres. hated atheletics until right before he stepped down and made some parting shots at student athletes. The former A.D. had more debacles than cuba has cigars. While some improvements were made to facilities they were usually minor and well short of original plans (mainly due to the brilliant strategy of only seeking out a single donor for specific projects or relying on relatives of coaches).

Here is a quote from our former A.D. to give you an idea of his mentality, "Scale back your dreams."
Inspiring, I know.

The new President and A.D. have accomplished more in 2 years than the previous group did in 10 (or would if given another 20).

We are just so grateful they came when they did and that GSU didn't miss what could be the last cycle of realignment for a very long time (or ever).

Happy to be in the SBC and away from a conference that puts atheletics on the back burner.

Note: I will give credit to the former president for really pushing GSU forward academically. The new biuldings and student centered campus is one of the nicest around and the quality of education is outstanding (especially for the price). The growth in the quality and reputation of GSU academics has come a long way. Just wish they put an equal (or even half) the effort into atheletics.

As far as past coaches go...

Sewak is just meh. He'd do well (mainly because of the talent at GSU and a mostly cupcake schedule) in the regular season, but didn't have much of an answer for teams in the playoffs. He did also have issues with players off the field. He was more the buddy buddy coach and not a disciplinarian.

BVG. the guy was a douche. Not mad he changed the offense or wanted to improve facilities, he was simply a douche. He trashed the players, fans, town, traditions, everything. Took us to our worst season ever and then fled in the night.

Hatcher. Nice guy. Didn't care for his style of offense (dink and dunk sideline passes for a loss). His teams were not tough enough and it showed. Maybe, if he got a better support staff, he could have recruited some great players and produced better teams, but I don't think it would ever happen. Simply not good enough enough HC for Div 1. But he was a nice guy.

Monken. Well, what can I say but perfect man for the job. Not only has he been able to get the most out of the talent available, he seems able to recruit some great players too. He has a winning attitude and the players feed off of that. He is a hot head though and you may see that on the sidelines. But I like it and would rather have that than a robot just standing there. He also seems willing to change and not get so set in his ways. Looking foward to some great things in the future.
Someone can post the video of the Navy vs GSU game his first year to get a feel for the passion and belief he has in his team.

(06-07-2013 08:18 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  As far as past coaches go...

Sewak is just meh. He'd do well (mainly because of the talent at GSU and a mostly cupcake schedule) in the regular season, but didn't have much of an answer for teams in the playoffs. He did also have issues with players off the field. He was more the buddy buddy coach and not a disciplinarian.

BVG. the guy was a douche. Not mad he changed the offense or wanted to improve facilities, he was simply a douche. He trashed the players, fans, town, traditions, everything. Took us to our worst season ever and then fled in the night.

Hatcher. Nice guy. Didn't care for his style of offense (dink and dunk sideline passes for a loss). His teams were not tough enough and it showed. Maybe, if he got a better support staff, he could have recruited some great players and produced better teams, but I don't think it would ever happen. Simply not good enough enough HC for Div 1. But he was a nice guy.

Monken. Well, what can I say but perfect man for the job. Not only has he been able to get the most out of the talent available, he seems able to recruit some great players too. He has a winning attitude and the players feed off of that. He is a hot head though and you may see that on the sidelines. But I like it and would rather have that than a robot just standing there. He also seems willing to change and not get so set in his ways. Looking foward to some great things in the future.
Someone can post the video of the Navy vs GSU game his first year to get a feel for the passion and belief he has in his team.

It looks like a mother scolding a child. LOL

That would make for one heck of a caption this pic ...