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RE: CBS Sports/Michigan State AD-4 Team Playoff short term solution...
(06-03-2013 03:00 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 09:24 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I'm not in favor of a playoff where at large teams outnumber conference champions. If we do that, why not just start the season with a playoff, and forget the regular season altogether? The teams knocked out of the playoff can then fill their schedule out by playing games to determine the conference pecking order...

I agree. It's one thing with a 4-team playoff, where it was simply too convoluted to try to have any conference champ requirements with a field that small. I actually agreed with the SEC on that setup. However, I think the "moral authority" switches over to granting autobids in an 8-team playoff. You can even use the bowls to do this (and yes, I get it that many people here would wish bowls would die a violent death, but the power 5 wants CONTROL over anything else and the bowls allow them to that better than any other mechanism). The quarterfinals could be pretty simple:

Rose Bowl: Big Ten champ vs. Pac-12 champ
Sugar Bowl: SEC champ vs. at-large
Orange/Peach Bowl: ACC champ vs. at-large
Cotton/Fiesta Bowl: Big 12 champ vs. at-large

Heck, even give a guaranteed spot to the best Gang of Five conference champ to placate that side of the equation. While it isn't a purely-seeded affair in the quarterfinals (and I've always been someone that thinks that's an overrated concern outside as long as #1 isn't facing #2 in round 1), it keeps the tradition/power conference control of the bowls, distributes the power champs among 4 different games, gives one Gang of Five champ a shot at the title, is a fairly easy next step to implement (a gradual change from the new system as opposed to a radical leap), and will make gazillions of dollars because *everyone* would love watching these games.

Anyone can create a playoff system that he or she *personally* likes. Those typically are about as likely as finding real unicorns or Big Foot. However, the real challenge is finding a playoff system that the 5 power conferences like... and maybe more specifically, the system that the Big Ten and SEC would be willing to pass. Show me why *they* would continue to have more power and money *compared* than everyone else (not just "more money for everyone" equality, which is irrelevant), and you might actually have something viable on the table.

I like you setup but I am not sure the Big Ten would want a road game for their champion in the quarterfinal round.

This setup is as close perfect considering all the factors in play. The top five leagues are granted a spot in the playoff. The top two at-large teams that didn't win their league earn a spot as well. The gang of five conferences have a spot at the table but its only one of them.

At the end of the day i still see a quarterfinal round hosted by the higher seeded team with top 8 making the tournament with current contract tie-ins plus the Gof5 spot even though I prefer your model.
06-04-2013 10:56 AM
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RE: CBS Sports/Michigan State AD-4 Team Playoff short term solution...
(06-04-2013 10:56 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  I like you setup but I am not sure the Big Ten would want a road game for their champion in the quarterfinal round.

This setup is as close perfect considering all the factors in play. The top five leagues are granted a spot in the playoff. The top two at-large teams that didn't win their league earn a spot as well. The gang of five conferences have a spot at the table but its only one of them.

At the end of the day i still see a quarterfinal round hosted by the higher seeded team with top 8 making the tournament with current contract tie-ins plus the Gof5 spot even though I prefer your model.

I hear you there, but that's balanced by the Big Ten need to preserve the Rose Bowl (and I think it's as critically important as anything). Judging by prior actions, I think the preservation of the Rose Bowl clearly wins out over the road game issue (and to be sure, the Big Ten Rose Bowl participant typically sends more fans to Pasadena than the Pac-12 participant unless it's hometown USC or UCLA, so I don't see it as the same as playing the SEC in New Orleans or the Big 12 in Dallas).
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RE: CBS Sports/Michigan State AD-4 Team Playoff short term solution...
(06-04-2013 09:29 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 08:16 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  I think the best hope for the non-Big 5 teams in the post-season is to start a second-level 16 team tournament with the games being played at the homes of the higher seed.

Feeding the corrupt bowl system hurts the schools, and limits the excitement and marketability of the product. It works for the big 5, but not the others. We have to provide a different product.

Tournaments generate lots of excitement. Ask ECU fans about the excitement their College Insider Tournament championship generated. Having something like this in college football would build the local fan base for many nonBig 5 teams, and provide a different, unique product that would make money, instead of the bowls guaranteeing that money is lost.

Totally different situation. Yes the CIT tournament generated a lot of excitement for ECU, but that was just more about ECU fans have been looking for a reason to be excited about basketball for so long than that the CIT is that exciting itself. Tournaments only generate excitement for those excited to be in them.

That excitement is what would make a 2nd level football tournament successful. That excitement would build the local fan base for nonBCS teams - helping them build their programs. A tournament would be much more exciting for these teams than 2nd level bowl games.

(06-04-2013 09:29 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  You look at the power conference teams that end up in the NIT or CBI and they just don't care. That's how the better and more traditionally good G5 would view that type of tournament. They wouldn't see it as an opportunity but more of a punishment.

Power conferences have bowl arrangements locked up for years. Though, judging from the CBI, those with losing records could still be invited. Also, at most half the power conference teams in 2nd level bowls are excited to be there, wishing they were in a bigger bowl instead.

However, as I stated earlier, a 2nd level playoff is much better for nonBig 5 teams, while the bowl system is better for Big5 teams.

(06-04-2013 09:29 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  ECU fans would not be jacked up about hosting Akron (or any other random G5 team we have zero history with) in a tournament that ECU fans all know in the grand scheme of things is meaningless.

ECU would still get 45K fans out to see Akron, and that blows away the attendance of at least half the bowl games, 2nd level or not. Next tourney level game may not be a big name, but likely a solid team that won 8-10 games. The semi-finals and finals would probably be against a ranked team, even with the top conference champ going to a first level bowl. There would be significant national interest in the final 4 and championship - much more than the bowls the nonBig5 are currently stuck with.

2nd level bowls are meaningless in the grand scheme, or even in the yearly scheme. Until I checked, I had forgotten that ECU was even bowl eligible last year, let alone who they played or where. I tourney champ would mean a high ranking and a big accomplishment - much more than a bowl game.

A 16 team 2nd level playoff would be golden for the nonBCS, actually making money for them instead of losing money in 2nd level bowl games.

Go Cougs!!!! (to a playoff, not a bowl game ; )
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RE: CBS Sports/Michigan State AD-4 Team Playoff short term solution...
We couldn't disagree more.
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RE: CBS Sports/Michigan State AD-4 Team Playoff short term solution...
I can live with any 8 or 16 team playoff format that has the following characteristic:

Any team that finishes undefeated must be the national champion.
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