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RE: Did ASU and Ga. Southern make the right move?
(03-09-2014 08:42 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  
(06-01-2013 10:30 AM)Buckminster Fuller Wrote:  
(06-01-2013 10:15 AM)bamaEagle Wrote:  Great move, nothing else for either school to do at the FCS level. We are a school with over 20,000 students and average 21k at ball games. We have long outgrown FCS and this move was long overdue

Thanks for your perspective. That's what I'm looking for. What the schools' fans think.

But in the interests of further discussion, what do you feel the advantages of the move to the Sun Belt are? My understanding is the SoCon is Division 1 in all sports but football, so I do not see a real difference for the non-football sports. What are the advantages you see of the Sun Belt versus the SoCon in football? Is it more exposure, more TV money, or ultimately a spot in the upcoming FBS college football playoff? I'm serious about these questions. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm interested in fans' thoughts.

The SoCon is division 1 for all sports including football, if you are a fan of Wofford the fact you didn't know that is troubling.

Yet provides a perfect example of what the move does from a public perception perspective.

This is a new challenge for us, with over 140 SoCon championships and three FCS titles there wasn't anything new to accomplish.

App and GSU didn't share the same athletic goals any longer.

"My understanding is" means that I understand and acknowledge that fact. I know the Southern Conference is Division 1 for all sports but football, so no need for you to continue to be troubled.

Good luck to App. St. and Ga. Southern. Enjoy the Sun Belt.
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Did ASU and Ga. Southern make the right move?
The SoCon IS Division 1 in football.
03-11-2014 11:12 PM
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RE: Did ASU and Ga. Southern make the right move?
It is very troubling that a Wofford fan doesn't understand that.
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RE: Did ASU and Ga. Southern make the right move?
(03-11-2014 11:12 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  The SoCon IS Division 1 in football.

Of course.
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RE: Did ASU and Ga. Southern make the right move?
Is this still a open question???
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RE: Did ASU and Ga. Southern make the right move?
Well APP has scheduled a home and home with Wake. Being able to have better home schedules is what a lot of us wanted.
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RE: Did ASU and Ga. Southern make the right move?
(06-02-2013 11:09 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(06-01-2013 10:27 PM)Buckminster Fuller Wrote:  I think hearing more about Marshall's transition would be informative. It appears they were in a similar situation to ASU and Georgia Southern. How about some Marshall fans tell us about the benefits Marshall has realized from the move to Division I in football.

There was no transition period when Marshall moved up. We went from IAA to IA. Went from 15-0 and the best IAA team in history in 1996 to 10-3 in 1997. Our only 3 losses that year was WVU, Miami OH and Ole Miss in the Motor City Bowl. We didn't have a full 85 scholarships until 1999 and in 1998 we were 12-1, only loss to Bowling Green and in 1999 was 13-0.

The Utah, Bosie States and NIUs going to BCS bowls can thank Tulane and Marshall for going undefeated in 1998 and 1999 and our reward being BYU. Tulane beat BYU 41-27 in the Liberty Bowl and Marshall beat BYU 21-3 in the Motor City Bowl.

I know this was a while back but just stumbled across this. Anyway.........best 1AA team in FCS history My A$$. That would be very debatable and would have to include GS, North Dakota State, App St, and Marshall. GS had its opportunities to move up even before Marshall after our 15-0 NC season in 1989 but chose to stay. Had another in 2000 after winnning our 6th NC and decided to stay. Of course we finally made the move 2 years ago and went undefeated in conference play our first season, only losing to GT by 4 points with 20 seconds left in the game and NC State by 1 point in the last minute of the game and Navy, who got us pretty good I must say. Not a good day there.
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RE: Did ASU and Ga. Southern make the right move?
(09-15-2013 04:53 PM)Buckminster Fuller Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 08:00 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(06-01-2013 09:14 AM)Buckminster Fuller Wrote:  Looking at it from the outside it looks as if ASU and GS traded a ceiling of competing for a national football championship every year to a ceiling of competing for a minor bowl game every year. I'm interested to hear from fans of those school on how they feel about the move, and what they think are the advantages/disadvantages of the move to the Sun Belt.

As our chancellor said on the day we accepted our invitation, "we are not moving up, we are moving on". AppState fielded more sports teams than any member of the SoCon. The school won more SoCon men's and women's all-sports trophies than any school by a longshot, rattled off 3 national championships in FCS, shared or won outright 7 of the last 8 SoCon football titles, and are at the top of FCS attendance for years. Not to mention building a winning football program that was competitive against FBS schools (including the one you support) while being short scholarships and resources. Our school has grown in population and academic/athletic stature and it was time to move on. Past time.

Instead of challenging our decision (that was more justifiable than any FCS transition in years) perhaps I should challenge you and ask why you think we should stay in a division with schools like Gardner Webb, Alcorn State and Western Carolina? We cram 30,000 people into our stadium to watch AppState play Mars Hill, and when we travel to a key conference game against Wofford, there are 9000 in attendance and 2,500 are AppState fans. We outgrew FCS a long time ago, and quite frankly the facts are there for everyone to see.

Our fans are loyal and deserve to see better teams play in Boone. I'm excited about SBC play and look forward to home and homes with SBC, CUSA, AAC and yes Mr. Deacon, ACC teams in the near future. No excuses now... you are going to have to face us again.

I have no animosity toward ASU for moving on. I was simply asking a question, and looking for input from fans of ASU and GSU. My uncle was a scholarship athlete at ASU and currently coaches there. Glad to hear you are excited about the move. I hope it works out the way you want it to. I simply don't share your opinion.

And, as I'm sure you know, I don't control the football schedule at Wake Forest. They will play ASU again when both schools' athletic directors want to, I guess.

Looks like we have a home and home coming up with the Deacons of Wake Forest. This encapsulates why we had to do what we did, and that it was the right decision. A 7-5 record our first year in FBS proves we can compete, this year has the potential to be even better. And with OOC games that include home and homes against MW, MAC, CUSA and The ACC the decision to move up appears to be tailor made for AppState.
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RE: Did ASU and Ga. Southern make the right move?
(05-14-2014 06:50 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(03-11-2014 11:12 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  The SoCon IS Division 1 in football.

Of course.

This brings up a good question. We all know that all FCS is in fact D1 by it's own right...but how come public perception still views (and will probably always view) it as a separate lower division (D2/D1-AA/blah blah blah/etc)? Why hasn't the NCAA done anything truly significant in terms of trying to increase publicity and viewership for an entire division 1 subsection? The only time you really see FCS teams on ESPN are during the playoffs.
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- D1A (FBS)

- D1AA (FCS)

- D2

- D3

Seems simple enough...
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Yes. No brainer.
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(05-18-2015 11:24 AM)eagle9098 Wrote:  
(06-02-2013 11:09 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(06-01-2013 10:27 PM)Buckminster Fuller Wrote:  I think hearing more about Marshall's transition would be informative. It appears they were in a similar situation to ASU and Georgia Southern. How about some Marshall fans tell us about the benefits Marshall has realized from the move to Division I in football.

There was no transition period when Marshall moved up. We went from IAA to IA. Went from 15-0 and the best IAA team in history in 1996 to 10-3 in 1997. Our only 3 losses that year was WVU, Miami OH and Ole Miss in the Motor City Bowl. We didn't have a full 85 scholarships until 1999 and in 1998 we were 12-1, only loss to Bowling Green and in 1999 was 13-0.

The Utah, Bosie States and NIUs going to BCS bowls can thank Tulane and Marshall for going undefeated in 1998 and 1999 and our reward being BYU. Tulane beat BYU 41-27 in the Liberty Bowl and Marshall beat BYU 21-3 in the Motor City Bowl.

I know this was a while back but just stumbled across this. Anyway.........best 1AA team in FCS history My A$$. That would be very debatable and would have to include GS, North Dakota State, App St, and Marshall. GS had its opportunities to move up even before Marshall after our 15-0 NC season in 1989 but chose to stay. Had another in 2000 after winnning our 6th NC and decided to stay. Of course we finally made the move 2 years ago and went undefeated in conference play our first season, only losing to GT by 4 points with 20 seconds left in the game and NC State by 1 point in the last minute of the game and Navy, who got us pretty good I must say. Not a good day there.

I went to Western Carolina in the early 80's when WCU was actually quite good. A quick note: Western was the first team from the Southern Conference to make it all the way to the 1-AA championship game in 1983... I have seen a ton of 1-AA/FCS playoff and Championship games over the years. I traveled to Statesboro to watch Marshall lose a heartbreaker to Youngstown State in '91 and was in Huntington when Marshall won their first in '92. I lived in Atlanta since 1997 and made the trip to Chattanooga to see Ga. Southern win a few and the ASU three-peat... That begin said yes I am a Marshall fan, but I am first and foremost a college football fan... and the 1996 Marshall team was one of the best teams I've ever seen in any division... they were an absolute machine... And I would go on record as saying the best in 1-AA history. But there is no qualitative way of proving that only the memory of what I have seen over the years. BTW my dad taught at the University of Florida, and the Western Carolina for over 25 years and former Ga Southern Head Coach Paul Johnson was one his students. He has great things to say about Coach Johnson, so I've always had nothing but respect for Ga Southern football.
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