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(05-31-2013 02:19 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  The only smart thing he said the whole time is that Mizzou and Kansas should have been taken when they had the chance. The SEC and Big 12 appreciate the mistake!

I think it would have been the tipping point for the Big 12. They survived losing 4, but 5 would have been too many.
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(05-31-2013 02:19 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  The only smart thing he said the whole time is that Mizzou and Kansas should have been taken when they had the chance. The SEC and Big 12 appreciate the mistake!
They should have taken the two with Nebraska to get to fourteen and then the two east coast schools would have had them set... but, hey..it' worked out for me. That was a no- brainer. Academics would have stayed true to the B1G philosophy, and they would have blocked the mid west from all other conferences. Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri... that would have been a food fight.
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(05-31-2013 03:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  • 6:05: “The blocking strategy is that we simply have now put the ACC in an almost no-win position. So who do they immediately go to? Louisville. They may think about Cincinnati. They may think about Connecticut. But they’ve lost their foothold in that middle part of the area, in that middle part of the Atlantic coast.”

I find this quote very interesting. I believe he underestimated what Louisville brings to the table. While losing Maryland does hurt in the mid-atlantic, there's enough ACC presence still there.

I don't think he underestimated Louisville. What I found interesting was he considered UL the favorite. Most everyone expected the ACC to take UConn.
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(05-31-2013 03:43 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-31-2013 03:10 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  If getting back into the glorious state of Maryland was that important to the ACC, they could add Navy.

Combination of VT, UVA should help cover enough

Charlottesville is as close to DC as Philly is, Blacksburg is as close to DC as New York City.

That's like the AAC claiming DC/MD because of Temple.
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(05-31-2013 04:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-31-2013 03:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  • 6:05: “The blocking strategy is that we simply have now put the ACC in an almost no-win position. So who do they immediately go to? Louisville. They may think about Cincinnati. They may think about Connecticut. But they’ve lost their foothold in that middle part of the area, in that middle part of the Atlantic coast.”

I find this quote very interesting. I believe he underestimated what Louisville brings to the table. While losing Maryland does hurt in the mid-atlantic, there's enough ACC presence still there.

I don't think he underestimated Louisville. What I found interesting was he considered UL the favorite. Most everyone expected the ACC to take UConn.

Tell Rague that and then reread my post. I am wondering if this can be used in a tortious interference claim. He is outlining intent and premeditation.
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(05-31-2013 04:25 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(05-31-2013 03:43 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-31-2013 03:10 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  If getting back into the glorious state of Maryland was that important to the ACC, they could add Navy.

Combination of VT, UVA should help cover enough

Charlottesville is as close to DC as Philly is, Blacksburg is as close to DC as New York City.

That's like the AAC claiming DC/MD because of Temple.

I'm not saying that because of geography. I've been in the DC area plenty of times. Maryland isn't the only game in town. Heck even West Va gets some play in that area.
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(05-31-2013 04:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-31-2013 03:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  • 6:05: “The blocking strategy is that we simply have now put the ACC in an almost no-win position. So who do they immediately go to? Louisville. They may think about Cincinnati. They may think about Connecticut. But they’ve lost their foothold in that middle part of the area, in that middle part of the Atlantic coast.”

I find this quote very interesting. I believe he underestimated what Louisville brings to the table. While losing Maryland does hurt in the mid-atlantic, there's enough ACC presence still there.

I don't think he underestimated Louisville. What I found interesting was he considered UL the favorite. Most everyone expected the ACC to take UConn.

ACC announced on November 28 that Louisville had been invited and accepted. Gee made those remarks several days later, on December 5.
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(05-31-2013 04:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-31-2013 03:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  • 6:05: “The blocking strategy is that we simply have now put the ACC in an almost no-win position. So who do they immediately go to? Louisville. They may think about Cincinnati. They may think about Connecticut. But they’ve lost their foothold in that middle part of the area, in that middle part of the Atlantic coast.”

I find this quote very interesting. I believe he underestimated what Louisville brings to the table. While losing Maryland does hurt in the mid-atlantic, there's enough ACC presence still there.

I don't think he underestimated Louisville. What I found interesting was he considered UL the favorite. Most everyone expected the ACC to take UConn.

I said underestimate because he said taking Maryland put the ACC into a no-win situation, when in fact adding Louisville may have helped make the ACC stronger.
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Predatory and aggressive behavior. This is college athletics, I know its big business but what a joke the Big Ten and Gee have been.
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When I read his comments, it seems plainly obvious that the Big Ten is a subsidiary of the BTN. It's the BTN that has a college sports conference, and not the B1G that has a TV network.
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(05-31-2013 04:34 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-31-2013 04:25 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(05-31-2013 03:43 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-31-2013 03:10 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  If getting back into the glorious state of Maryland was that important to the ACC, they could add Navy.

Combination of VT, UVA should help cover enough

Charlottesville is as close to DC as Philly is, Blacksburg is as close to DC as New York City.

That's like the AAC claiming DC/MD because of Temple.

I'm not saying that because of geography. I've been in the DC area plenty of times. Maryland isn't the only game in town. Heck even West Va gets some play in that area.

You're right, there are a ton of ACC grads in DC. But there are also a ton of B1G and Ivy and Pac fans too. DC is a magnet for alums from top schools so we get a bit of everything. VA and VTech have well-established fan bases in DC proper, but they fade to a trickle once you get to the Maryland border.
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Oh how I love the fact that we stuck those Little Sister's of the Poor billboards in Columbus after we won the Rose Bowl.
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(05-31-2013 04:59 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Oh how I love the fact that we stuck those Little Sister's of the Poor billboards in Columbus after we won the Rose Bowl.

Yet another stupid thing Gee said.
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(05-31-2013 04:49 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(05-31-2013 04:34 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-31-2013 04:25 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(05-31-2013 03:43 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-31-2013 03:10 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  If getting back into the glorious state of Maryland was that important to the ACC, they could add Navy.

Combination of VT, UVA should help cover enough

Charlottesville is as close to DC as Philly is, Blacksburg is as close to DC as New York City.

That's like the AAC claiming DC/MD because of Temple.

I'm not saying that because of geography. I've been in the DC area plenty of times. Maryland isn't the only game in town. Heck even West Va gets some play in that area.

You're right, there are a ton of ACC grads in DC. But there are also a ton of B1G and Ivy and Pac fans too. DC is a magnet for alums from top schools so we get a bit of everything. VA and VTech have well-established fan bases in DC proper, but they fade to a trickle once you get to the Maryland border.

There's more than enough "interest" for the ACC in that area so they should be fine.
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I truly can't wait until the ninja makes another move! You gotta know that it is coming..... and he can't be happy.
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(05-31-2013 02:52 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  A lot of the stuff he said is not stuff you are supposed to say in public, but isn't stuff we don't already know.
1. The Big Ten has certain academic standards it wants met which exclude schools like Louisville and Kentucky (I'm not defending that point, only saying its something we all knew).
2. It wants new markets in expansion or big names both because they are what bring audiences and because existing members don't want competition in their home state markets in conference.
3. The Big Ten did not want the ACC dominating the east coast. It took Maryland and Rutgers leaving it a big hole and the remaining potential members are few (though Gee very understates how powerful the conference is).
4. The NCAA is a mess. It's a structure with very different objectives and very different kind of members. Something will change or there will be a break eventually between the different parts.

The only real objectionable things I saw was a) the Catholic criticism seemed worse in this context. b) The academic snobbery and anti-southernness sounded really bad.

And yet a lot of it is new:

1) The statement that if the Big 10 had predicted how the dominoes would fall, they would have taken Missouri and Kansas along with Nebraska, and they still are interested in them. That means they actually want Mizzou and KU NOW. This statement gives those two schools time to coordinate and prepare their moves if they eventually want to go into the Big 10.

2) OSU and its backers have publicly supported UC in the past. They have dismissed any claims that OSU wants anything but the best for UC. Gee revealed that to be a lie. Although most people have suspected it was a lie all along, OSU can no longer claim plausible deniability about the truth: that OSU views UC as a threat that needs to be kept down.

Rest assured, these comments WILL be brought up in state budget battles the next time OSU tries to justify receiving more state funding than other in-state schools.

3) He named UVA, Duke, and UNC as 3 schools in the ACC that the Big 10 feels would be good additions. This puts to rest any fan speculation about VT, GT, or FSU.

4) The Barry Alvarez comments were ridiculous.
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As I said before, the Big Ten should have attempted a package deal of Virginia and Duke. Seems Gee and perhaps some others came to this conclusion too late.
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(05-31-2013 08:10 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  As I said before, the Big Ten should have attempted a package deal of Virginia and Duke. Seems Gee and perhaps some others came to this conclusion too late.

Wouldn't have happened. Trying to get one of the old school ACC members to jump is pretty much next to impossible. Maryland moved because their president is a former BIG guy and they wanted the money.
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The Dude always claimed to have a source within the Big 10 and when pushed he said it was an Ohio State insider. Well I think we all know who his source was all along. The question is did Gee use him in his destabilization plan? If so there are many ACC folks who might owe the Mountaineers a little bit of forgiveness, because they thought the Dude was one of theirs, and not a Gordon Gee lackey. I think a suspected pipeline of disinformation intended to hurt the perception of the ACC should be quite easy to trace now. Anyone for a good tortuous interference case? I think Gordo has fessed up here! How about a subpoena?
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(05-31-2013 04:25 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(05-31-2013 03:43 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-31-2013 03:10 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  If getting back into the glorious state of Maryland was that important to the ACC, they could add Navy.

Combination of VT, UVA should help cover enough

Charlottesville is as close to DC as Philly is, Blacksburg is as close to DC as New York City.

That's like the AAC claiming DC/MD because of Temple.

how many Tech/UVa alumni and fans live in the DC metro area?
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