(05-27-2013 08:46 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 08:37 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 08:26 PM)krux Wrote:  Yeah but GT only HAS to play UGA. All those other SEC games are scheduled way out and I bet they get dropped/change.

So you think GT, which is a southern school that used to be in the SEC, is going to drop Vandy, Miss, Alabama, SC for Kansas St, Baylor, Iowa St, TCU? Not gonna happen. You have to remember scheduling is also done to help put butts in the seats. Big 12 isn't filling up GT's stadium unless it's Texas or OK.

Nothing against Georgia Tech but it looks like they have a hard time filling up their 55K seat stadium with Vandy, Ole Miss, South Carolina and Alabama. From 1998-2012, the Yellow Jackets averaged 46K. Not saying Big 12 teams would change that but it kinda sounds arrogant.

It's not arrogance. SEC is right next door to GT so it's much better for fans. GT fans are extremely familiar with the SEC as they already play Georgia every year.

(05-27-2013 10:04 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 12:26 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 04:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  WVU-Clemson would be another good game, allowing the Tigers a chance to get even for the 2012 Orange Bowl. Although it could take more than one game for that...

Why would we need to get even for a get even game?

Maybe you have forgotten about Major Harris's mother going on national TV begging for mercy for her boy.

Parents, especially mothers, are notoriously sensitive about their offspring. So I never pay much attention to what parents say, unless they have a very good - proven - reason for their complaints...

But Clemson never dropped 70 points on WVU...

(05-26-2013 09:11 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 08:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Or if you REALLY want to get serious about this thing, you can do this:



each line is 1 game. more on how it might work here.

This is how I suspect it will work.

Perhaps this time ND will actually have to schedule a football game in Morgantown every other decade or so. But until that happens...

They were in Morgantown in 2000. That was about a decade or so ago.... :)

(05-27-2013 07:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 04:56 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If SOS is going to be a part of the process of selection to the college football playoff, there's not going to be much choice in the matter. It will either be jump off the cliff and see if you can survive, or decide not to participate in the playoff...

There's an "I'll believe it when I see it" aspect to the application of strength of schedule. College football has had rankings biased in favor of teams with fewer losses for a long, long time. Why should we believe this selection committee will ignore W-L records?

Yes, if you're 11-1 with a weak schedule you might get aced out of the playoff by an 11-1 team with a hard schedule, but being 11-1 puts you in the discussion, whereas if you are 9-3 you are not even in the discussion, even if every sportswriter in America praises you for scheduling courageously.

Most won't. They will just look at the W/L record, is my guess.

They won't don't an in depth study of the relative SOS of the teams, in my opinion.

(05-26-2013 12:42 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Sounds like Bowlsby has an ulterior motive in mind. I wonder what his rush is. Each of the schools in the Big 12 can schedule an ACC team whenever they want. Personally, I believe WV needs this the most, and the Big 12 is trying to tap into the ACC's markets.

Probably wants to tap into eastern and southeastern TV markets since the B-12 could not convince FSU and Clemson to join their conference.

(05-28-2013 06:27 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 10:04 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 12:26 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 04:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  WVU-Clemson would be another good game, allowing the Tigers a chance to get even for the 2012 Orange Bowl. Although it could take more than one game for that...

Why would we need to get even for a get even game?

Maybe you have forgotten about Major Harris's mother going on national TV begging for mercy for her boy.

Parents, especially mothers, are notoriously sensitive about their offspring. So I never pay much attention to what parents say, unless they have a very good - proven - reason for their complaints...

But Clemson never dropped 70 points on WVU...

(05-26-2013 09:11 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 08:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Or if you REALLY want to get serious about this thing, you can do this:



each line is 1 game. more on how it might work here.

This is how I suspect it will work.

Perhaps this time ND will actually have to schedule a football game in Morgantown every other decade or so. But until that happens...

They were in Morgantown in 2000. That was about a decade or so ago.... :)

True. But they've shown no sign of wanting to return...

(05-28-2013 12:26 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 06:27 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 10:04 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 12:26 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 04:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  WVU-Clemson would be another good game, allowing the Tigers a chance to get even for the 2012 Orange Bowl. Although it could take more than one game for that...

Why would we need to get even for a get even game?

Maybe you have forgotten about Major Harris's mother going on national TV begging for mercy for her boy.

Parents, especially mothers, are notoriously sensitive about their offspring. So I never pay much attention to what parents say, unless they have a very good - proven - reason for their complaints...

But Clemson never dropped 70 points on WVU...

(05-26-2013 09:11 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 08:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Or if you REALLY want to get serious about this thing, you can do this:



each line is 1 game. more on how it might work here.

This is how I suspect it will work.

Perhaps this time ND will actually have to schedule a football game in Morgantown every other decade or so. But until that happens...

They were in Morgantown in 2000. That was about a decade or so ago.... :)

True. But they've shown no sign of wanting to return...

No offense, bit but a lot of people feel that way after visiting Morgantown. You guys aren't exactly accomodating lol

(05-28-2013 01:36 PM)krux Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 12:26 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 06:27 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 10:04 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 12:26 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Why would we need to get even for a get even game?

Maybe you have forgotten about Major Harris's mother going on national TV begging for mercy for her boy.

Parents, especially mothers, are notoriously sensitive about their offspring. So I never pay much attention to what parents say, unless they have a very good - proven - reason for their complaints...

But Clemson never dropped 70 points on WVU...

(05-26-2013 09:11 PM)TerryD Wrote:  This is how I suspect it will work.

Perhaps this time ND will actually have to schedule a football game in Morgantown every other decade or so. But until that happens...

They were in Morgantown in 2000. That was about a decade or so ago.... :)

True. But they've shown no sign of wanting to return...

No offense, bit but a lot of people feel that way after visiting Morgantown. You guys aren't exactly accomodating lol

There are a few morons, mostly drunks. But if you mingle with the majority of WVU fans in the tailgating area, you'll find them friendly and accommodating. The B12 fans that have done so have had no complaints, and all that I've spoken to about their trip to Morgantown are looking forward to returning in the future...

Left-field idea:

There are 10 Big XII teams. There are 14 ACC teams, 4 of which have traditional, in-state rivalry games. So maybe the ACC-Big XII "scheduling alliance" leaves out FSU, GT, Clemson and Louisville?

Maybe that puts Pitt-West Virginia back in the picture annually, with the other 9 games on a rotating basis?

(05-28-2013 02:03 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Left-field idea:

There are 10 Big XII teams. There are 14 ACC teams, 4 of which have traditional, in-state rivalry games. So maybe the ACC-Big XII "scheduling alliance" leaves out FSU, GT, Clemson and Louisville?

Maybe that puts Pitt-West Virginia back in the picture annually, with the other 9 games on a rotating basis?

Doubt it. Pitt just got Penn State back on the schedule. They don't need to have Penn St, WV, and ND every three years OOC. That's way too much for them.

Probably wants to tap into eastern and southeastern TV markets since the B-12 could not convince FSU and Clemson to join their conference.
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Why help them set up the Grant Of rights ? if they wanted to try get some of their teams ?

(05-28-2013 02:03 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Left-field idea:

There are 10 Big XII teams. There are 14 ACC teams, 4 of which have traditional, in-state rivalry games. So maybe the ACC-Big XII "scheduling alliance" leaves out FSU, GT, Clemson and Louisville?

Maybe that puts Pitt-West Virginia back in the picture annually, with the other 9 games on a rotating basis?

That's way out in left field.

Why would you want to start a football scheduling alliance with someone when right off the bat the majority of the desirable football opponents are excluded? Can you see Texas and Oklahoma getting excited over playing UNC and Syracuse?

(05-27-2013 08:13 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 08:08 PM)krux Wrote:  I still think we're talking about a Big 12 team on the schedule in years that we don't play Notre Dame. So (using Louisville as an example) you'd have a schedule that'd look something like this.

2014
Home: Florida State, NC State, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, Kentucky, OOC Game (assuming the Marshall game is cancelled)
Away: Boston College, Clemson, Syracuse, Virginia, Notre Dame, FIU

2015
Home: Boston College, Clemson, Syracuse, Virginia, Kansas State, Cincinnati, OOC Game
Away: Florida State, NC State, Virginia Tech (or other ACC opponent), Wake Forest, Kentucky

2016
Home: Florida State, NC State, Virginia Tech (or other ACC opponent), Wake Forest, Kentucky, OOC Game
Away: Boston College, Clemson, Syracuse, Virginia, Kansas State, Cincinnati

2017
Home: Boston College, Clemson, Syracuse, Virginia, Notre Dame, Cincinnati, OOC Game
Away: Florida State, NC State, Virginia Tech (or other ACC opponent), Wake Forest, Kentucky

Louisville is one of the few schools that can do it. The problem is half of the league may not be able to do it due to prior commitments. I can tell you now, GT is not going to play 2 SEC teams and a Big 12 team in the same year. They are already going to play 2 SEC teams plus ND some years.

I really like this setup for UL and wonder if all the others could work it out. Could each team have their primary rival (UK), secondary (UC), a 2 yr B12 game, in between their games with ND. My thought on the B12 game, is a made for tv series of 2 teams trending up, already on top, or if rebuilding then not so much made for tv, and matched up together. Another thought for B12, is take from past bowl games with them that were great/intriguing games between the 2 conferences, and play off of it (not 20-30 years ago, but recent past)

Take for example
Georgia Tech
Rival = UGa
Secondary = 1 of those SEC schools that sticks out the most S. Car?
B12 = Insert team w/ history or on same par with GTech @ that time

For other ACC or B12 schools what would your list of teams look like using this format?

South Carolina and GT are not rivals at all. They never overlapped in conference play. GT's secondary rival would probably be Clemson. But there are a number of SEC teams that would be included for them on that seconday rival level namely Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee and Vanderbilt.

Wake Forest
Rival = Duke, NC State, UNC
Secondary = Vanderbilt
B12 = Baylor

Va Tech
Rival* = Virginia
2ndary = Miami
B12 = WVU

I could see the Hokies being paired with Texas Tech or Kansas St also.

* if you can still call it that after all those wins...

I'll be a little more specific....for rival, secondary, and B12 come up with an OOC team that you and your fanbase could see to help fit the format, if you think it would work out for your team. Hokie I understand WVU could probably be both the secondary & B12.

I'm sure its pretty tough for most ACC schools to do this, we (UL) already kind of have it in play, with UK, UC, B12 could be WVU, K State, & IMO Ok State.

(05-29-2013 11:23 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  I'll be a little more specific....for rival, secondary, and B12 come up with an OOC team that you and your fanbase could see to help fit the format, if you think it would work out for your team. Hokie I understand WVU could probably be both the secondary & B12.

I'm sure its pretty tough for most ACC schools to do this, we (UL) already kind of have it in play, with UK, UC, B12 could be WVU, K State, & IMO Ok State.

For VT, most of our traditional rivals are already in the ACC (or else we left them behind a long time ago, like VMI). I posted an article on Gobbler Country called "Best Conference for Va Tech" in which I showed the geographic and historical rivals for the Hokies - most of them are ACC teams.

Besides WVU, the only other P5 "rivals" are Rutgers & Maryland - not heated by any means, but still nice match-ups. In the Metro days we had a great series with S Carolina. I'd love to see new rivalries develop between Va Tech and Ohio State and Tennessee, but those are only theoretical at this point.

If we include G5 teams then VT has minor/secondary rivalries with ECU and Cincinnati, and to a lesser extent, Temple.

Let's face it - VT is the center of the ACC football universe!

(05-29-2013 02:03 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 11:23 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  I'll be a little more specific....for rival, secondary, and B12 come up with an OOC team that you and your fanbase could see to help fit the format, if you think it would work out for your team. Hokie I understand WVU could probably be both the secondary & B12.

I'm sure its pretty tough for most ACC schools to do this, we (UL) already kind of have it in play, with UK, UC, B12 could be WVU, K State, & IMO Ok State.

For VT, most of our traditional rivals are already in the ACC (or else we left them behind a long time ago, like VMI). I posted an article on Gobbler Country called "Best Conference for Va Tech" in which I showed the geographic and historical rivals for the Hokies - most of them are ACC teams.

Besides WVU, the only other P5 "rivals" are Rutgers & Maryland - not heated by any means, but still nice match-ups. In the Metro days we had a great series with S Carolina. I'd love to see new rivalries develop between Va Tech and Ohio State and Tennessee, but those are only theoretical at this point.

If we include G5 teams then VT has minor/secondary rivalries with ECU and Cincinnati, and to a lesser extent, Temple.

Let's face it - VT is the center of the ACC football universe!

You guys have alot of potential with a few close top programs IMO. I could see Vtech & Tennessee become a huge rivalary, and kinda wonder why its not. What if they switched UVa for Vtech as conference permanent rival for us. For you guys it could be.

ACC permanent = UL
OOC Rival = Tennessee
Secondary Rival = 1 of East Carolina, Maryland, Rutgers
B12 = WVU....Notre Dame the other 2 years


Thats seems to set up real nice from outside Hokie Nation.

I have no interest in watching UNC play a Big XII team (except in a bowl).

Rivals: Duke, State, UVA, Wake
Secondary: S. Carolina
Big XII: Nobody. Please no alliance, rather play W&M or ECU

(05-30-2013 08:39 AM)esayem Wrote:  I have no interest in watching UNC play a Big XII team (except in a bowl).

Rivals: Duke, State, UVA, Wake
Secondary: S. Carolina
Big XII: Nobody. Please no alliance, rather play W&M or ECU

I agree with you. Most schools in the ACC don't interest me but this scheduling alliance will more than likely happen.