(05-17-2013 07:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 07:02 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  nothing says ACC like New York City

It does now with NY's #1 team in the ACC.

but Rutgers went to the Big 10

(05-17-2013 09:13 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:48 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  No one is saying tear up the Big East Contract with MSG... all the talk I've seen from MSG and ACC is about several years down the road after the current Greensboro contract ends and if the Big East does not reach specific benchmarks in the coming year or two. MSG usually has ironclad contracts with specific ways out! I've both worked for and dealt with them before in Hartford at the Civic Center (XL Center).

Making the Big East have it's tournament the same time as the mid-majors is tearing up the contract.

I'll be honest - the prospect of MSG having the Big East and ACC tournaments back-to-back isn't completely far-fetched to me. That being said, I also think that ESPN is vastly overstating this story. I'm very certain that the ACC would love to play at MSG regularly (maybe once every 3 years or even every other year), but there's very little chance that they'd make it into a permanent site. You're not prying that tournament out of North Carolina for more than one year at a time.

I think they would be willing to go there for more than one year at a time, maybe even 3-5 years in a row, but always back to Greensboro for several years in a row or broken up by a stop off in somewhere like Atlanta.

(05-17-2013 09:13 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:48 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  No one is saying tear up the Big East Contract with MSG... all the talk I've seen from MSG and ACC is about several years down the road after the current Greensboro contract ends and if the Big East does not reach specific benchmarks in the coming year or two. MSG usually has ironclad contracts with specific ways out! I've both worked for and dealt with them before in Hartford at the Civic Center (XL Center).

Making the Big East have it's tournament the same time as the mid-majors is tearing up the contract.

I'll be honest - the prospect of MSG having the Big East and ACC tournaments back-to-back isn't completely far-fetched to me. That being said, I also think that ESPN is vastly overstating this story. I'm very certain that the ACC would love to play at MSG regularly (maybe once every 3 years or even every other year), but there's very little chance that they'd make it into a permanent site. You're not prying that tournament out of North Carolina for more than one year at a time.

How about the Big East agreeing to have their tournament a week earlier and Fox signing off on that move? I highly doubt that would happen and if MSG signed the ACC the Big East would sue MSG and would move across the river to Brooklyn. Would be better for the Big East anyway since Brooklyn is the hipper cooler borough in the city and recruits would love that.

That move could also hurt the Gardens relationship with SJU. Before some Cuse fan makes some stupid joke about SJU and it's fans, let me just say that we're talking about 10-12 games being lost and giving their direct competitors even more business. Barclays is the only reason the Garden got an upgrade in the first place. Cuse will only play one to two games there a year and thats all before Christmas.

(05-17-2013 07:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 07:02 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  nothing says ACC like New York City

It does now with NY's #1 team in the ACC.

And all this time I thought NYC's team was Rutgers..... dam.

The ACC could go first, followed up by the Big East the following weekend. This will keep ACC attendance at MSG somewhat decent. Because it will avoid two consecutive weekends of huge ACC distances/ driving/ flying to worry about for all ACC teams except Boston College. I mean how many Miami (Fla), FSU, Va Tech, Ga Tech, Clemson, Virginia, Wake, etc, hoops fans would travel 600 to 900+ miles two straight weekends (including NCAA's).

Also to consider is that the ACC designed and salivated at annual ACC football championship games between FSU and Miami (Fla), and that has been a big disappointment/ failure. Imagine nightmare hoops scenarios where the ACC Finals includes any two of FSU, Miami (Fla), Clemson, Virginia, BC, Wake, Va Tech, Ga Tech, NC State...

At least if the Friars make the semis and Finals, the whole state of Rhode Island will make the short 3 hour trip to MSG. How will Ga Tech or Clemson fans jump to NY in the event that they advance... never mind that the casual NY fan on the street has no interest in those schools and is probably resentful anyway toward the ACC for raiding their hometown Big East conference... plus Big East schools recruit mostly in NY Metro, whereas most ACC schools don't or won't anymore... plus within a few years Coach K, Boeheim and Pitino will be gone, while the Big East is filled with great young coaches...

(05-17-2013 10:32 PM)billyjack Wrote:  The ACC could go first, followed up by the Big East the following weekend. This will keep ACC attendance at MSG somewhat decent. Because it will avoid two consecutive weekends of huge ACC distances/ driving/ flying to worry about for all ACC teams except Boston College. I mean how many Miami (Fla), FSU, Va Tech, Ga Tech, Clemson, Virginia, Wake, etc, hoops fans would travel 600 to 900+ miles two straight weekends (including NCAA's).

Also to consider is that the ACC designed and salivated at annual ACC football championship games between FSU and Miami (Fla), and that has been a big disappointment/ failure. Imagine nightmare hoops scenarios where the ACC Finals includes any two of FSU, Miami (Fla), Clemson, Virginia, BC, Wake, Va Tech, Ga Tech, NC State...

At least if the Friars make the semis and Finals, the whole state of Rhode Island will make the short 3 hour trip to MSG. How will Ga Tech or Clemson fans jump to NY in the event that they advance... never mind that the casual NY fan on the street has no interest in those schools and is probably resentful anyway toward the ACC for raiding their hometown Big East conference... plus Big East schools recruit mostly in NY Metro, whereas most ACC schools don't or won't anymore... plus within a few years Coach K, Boeheim and Pitino will be gone, while the Big East is filled with great young coaches...

I agree with Frank The Tank here... let both conferences have at it. Better money for NYC...

(05-17-2013 09:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:13 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:48 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  No one is saying tear up the Big East Contract with MSG... all the talk I've seen from MSG and ACC is about several years down the road after the current Greensboro contract ends and if the Big East does not reach specific benchmarks in the coming year or two. MSG usually has ironclad contracts with specific ways out! I've both worked for and dealt with them before in Hartford at the Civic Center (XL Center).

Making the Big East have it's tournament the same time as the mid-majors is tearing up the contract.

I'll be honest - the prospect of MSG having the Big East and ACC tournaments back-to-back isn't completely far-fetched to me. That being said, I also think that ESPN is vastly overstating this story. I'm very certain that the ACC would love to play at MSG regularly (maybe once every 3 years or even every other year), but there's very little chance that they'd make it into a permanent site. You're not prying that tournament out of North Carolina for more than one year at a time.

How about the Big East agreeing to have their tournament a week earlier and Fox signing off on that move? I highly doubt that would happen and if MSG signed the ACC the Big East would sue MSG and would move across the river to Brooklyn. Would be better for the Big East anyway since Brooklyn is the hipper cooler borough in the city and recruits would love that.

That move could also hurt the Gardens relationship with SJU. Before some Cuse fan makes some stupid joke about SJU and it's fans, let me just say that we're talking about 10-12 games being lost and giving their direct competitors even more business. Barclays is the only reason the Garden got an upgrade in the first place. Cuse will only play one to two games there a year and thats all before Christmas.

I am just curious, but what part of the contract would be broken if the Madison Square Garden simply hosted the ACC's tournament, too?

(05-17-2013 11:46 PM)Green Bull Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:13 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:48 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  No one is saying tear up the Big East Contract with MSG... all the talk I've seen from MSG and ACC is about several years down the road after the current Greensboro contract ends and if the Big East does not reach specific benchmarks in the coming year or two. MSG usually has ironclad contracts with specific ways out! I've both worked for and dealt with them before in Hartford at the Civic Center (XL Center).

Making the Big East have it's tournament the same time as the mid-majors is tearing up the contract.

None. My work here is done...
I'll be honest - the prospect of MSG having the Big East and ACC tournaments back-to-back isn't completely far-fetched to me. That being said, I also think that ESPN is vastly overstating this story. I'm very certain that the ACC would love to play at MSG regularly (maybe once every 3 years or even every other year), but there's very little chance that they'd make it into a permanent site. You're not prying that tournament out of North Carolina for more than one year at a time.

How about the Big East agreeing to have their tournament a week earlier and Fox signing off on that move? I highly doubt that would happen and if MSG signed the ACC the Big East would sue MSG and would move across the river to Brooklyn. Would be better for the Big East anyway since Brooklyn is the hipper cooler borough in the city and recruits would love that.

That move could also hurt the Gardens relationship with SJU. Before some Cuse fan makes some stupid joke about SJU and it's fans, let me just say that we're talking about 10-12 games being lost and giving their direct competitors even more business. Barclays is the only reason the Garden got an upgrade in the first place. Cuse will only play one to two games there a year and thats all before Christmas.

I am just curious, but what part of the contract would be broken if the Madison Square Garden simply hosted the ACC's tournament, too?

(05-17-2013 09:13 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:48 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  No one is saying tear up the Big East Contract with MSG... all the talk I've seen from MSG and ACC is about several years down the road after the current Greensboro contract ends and if the Big East does not reach specific benchmarks in the coming year or two. MSG usually has ironclad contracts with specific ways out! I've both worked for and dealt with them before in Hartford at the Civic Center (XL Center).

Making the Big East have it's tournament the same time as the mid-majors is tearing up the contract.

I'll be honest - the prospect of MSG having the Big East and ACC tournaments back-to-back isn't completely far-fetched to me. That being said, I also think that ESPN is vastly overstating this story. I'm very certain that the ACC would love to play at MSG regularly (maybe once every 3 years or even every other year), but there's very little chance that they'd make it into a permanent site. You're not prying that tournament out of North Carolina for more than one year at a time.

Which major conference wants to play its tournament a week early with the mid majors?

(05-17-2013 11:46 PM)Green Bull Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:13 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:48 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  No one is saying tear up the Big East Contract with MSG... all the talk I've seen from MSG and ACC is about several years down the road after the current Greensboro contract ends and if the Big East does not reach specific benchmarks in the coming year or two. MSG usually has ironclad contracts with specific ways out! I've both worked for and dealt with them before in Hartford at the Civic Center (XL Center).

Making the Big East have it's tournament the same time as the mid-majors is tearing up the contract.

I'll be honest - the prospect of MSG having the Big East and ACC tournaments back-to-back isn't completely far-fetched to me. That being said, I also think that ESPN is vastly overstating this story. I'm very certain that the ACC would love to play at MSG regularly (maybe once every 3 years or even every other year), but there's very little chance that they'd make it into a permanent site. You're not prying that tournament out of North Carolina for more than one year at a time.

How about the Big East agreeing to have their tournament a week earlier and Fox signing off on that move? I highly doubt that would happen and if MSG signed the ACC the Big East would sue MSG and would move across the river to Brooklyn. Would be better for the Big East anyway since Brooklyn is the hipper cooler borough in the city and recruits would love that.

That move could also hurt the Gardens relationship with SJU. Before some Cuse fan makes some stupid joke about SJU and it's fans, let me just say that we're talking about 10-12 games being lost and giving their direct competitors even more business. Barclays is the only reason the Garden got an upgrade in the first place. Cuse will only play one to two games there a year and thats all before Christmas.

I am just curious, but what part of the contract would be broken if the Madison Square Garden simply hosted the ACC's tournament, too?

Because it would be taking the dates we signed on for. I don't understand how many of you dont understand how us not being on during championship is a bad thing for the Big East. It's like the SEC saying it wants to play its FB championship in Charolette and that the ACC should play theirs a week earlier.

We are not some mid major league who will stand for being pushed around abd forced out of our home.

If the ACC wants MSG they should play the week before us.

(05-17-2013 07:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 07:02 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  nothing says ACC like New York City

It does now with NY's #1 team in the ACC.

". . . NY's #1 team in the ACC."

Syracuse is 250 miles from NYC. Penn State is closer. Georgetown and Maryland are closer. BC is closer. Providence is closer. UConn is closer. The Philly schools are closer. Rutgers and Seton Hall are closer.

But a small, private school from NY's Great Lakes region is The City's #1 team?

Maybe we should start pimping Georgetown as NY's team They have a lot of alumni in and around The City. It makes about as much sense.

(05-18-2013 02:53 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 11:46 PM)Green Bull Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:13 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Making the Big East have it's tournament the same time as the mid-majors is tearing up the contract.

I'll be honest - the prospect of MSG having the Big East and ACC tournaments back-to-back isn't completely far-fetched to me. That being said, I also think that ESPN is vastly overstating this story. I'm very certain that the ACC would love to play at MSG regularly (maybe once every 3 years or even every other year), but there's very little chance that they'd make it into a permanent site. You're not prying that tournament out of North Carolina for more than one year at a time.

How about the Big East agreeing to have their tournament a week earlier and Fox signing off on that move? I highly doubt that would happen and if MSG signed the ACC the Big East would sue MSG and would move across the river to Brooklyn. Would be better for the Big East anyway since Brooklyn is the hipper cooler borough in the city and recruits would love that.

That move could also hurt the Gardens relationship with SJU. Before some Cuse fan makes some stupid joke about SJU and it's fans, let me just say that we're talking about 10-12 games being lost and giving their direct competitors even more business. Barclays is the only reason the Garden got an upgrade in the first place. Cuse will only play one to two games there a year and thats all before Christmas.

I am just curious, but what part of the contract would be broken if the Madison Square Garden simply hosted the ACC's tournament, too?

Because it would be taking the dates we signed on for. I don't understand how many of you dont understand how us not being on during championship is a bad thing for the Big East. It's like the SEC saying it wants to play its FB championship in Charolette and that the ACC should play theirs a week earlier.

We are not some mid major league who will stand for being pushed around abd forced out of our home.

If the ACC wants MSG they should play the week before us.

But, you are OK with the ACC playing as long the Big East can play when planned?

(05-17-2013 09:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:13 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:48 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  No one is saying tear up the Big East Contract with MSG... all the talk I've seen from MSG and ACC is about several years down the road after the current Greensboro contract ends and if the Big East does not reach specific benchmarks in the coming year or two. MSG usually has ironclad contracts with specific ways out! I've both worked for and dealt with them before in Hartford at the Civic Center (XL Center).

Making the Big East have it's tournament the same time as the mid-majors is tearing up the contract.

I'll be honest - the prospect of MSG having the Big East and ACC tournaments back-to-back isn't completely far-fetched to me. That being said, I also think that ESPN is vastly overstating this story. I'm very certain that the ACC would love to play at MSG regularly (maybe once every 3 years or even every other year), but there's very little chance that they'd make it into a permanent site. You're not prying that tournament out of North Carolina for more than one year at a time.

How about the Big East agreeing to have their tournament a week earlier and Fox signing off on that move? I highly doubt that would happen and if MSG signed the ACC the Big East would sue MSG and would move across the river to Brooklyn. Would be better for the Big East anyway since Brooklyn is the hipper cooler borough in the city and recruits would love that.

That move could also hurt the Gardens relationship with SJU. Before some Cuse fan makes some stupid joke about SJU and it's fans, let me just say that we're talking about 10-12 games being lost and giving their direct competitors even more business. Barclays is the only reason the Garden got an upgrade in the first place. Cuse will only play one to two games there a year and thats all before Christmas.

I have nothing against Brooklyn. I was born there and grew up there. But Barclay should never be mentioned for a college basketball tournament.


It works for the Nets because it's perfect for commuters, sitting right on top of a LIRR terminal and having easy subway access.

But a conference tournament needs accommodations for out-of-towners. The Garden has hotels right across the street. Brooklyn has very limited hotel space and nothing immediately in the vicinity of Barclay.

Out-of-towners are easily intimidated by NYC. For them, trying to find their way to the arena by subway can be very confusing. The Sheraton is the nicest hotel downtown Brooklyn and its walkable to Barclay, but the walk would be intimidating because it's the busiest part of Brooklyn. Cabs are not as readily available in downtown Brooklyn as they are in midtown Manhattan - especially at 11:00 or so at night when tournament games end. What restaurants are available after a game on Atlantic or Flatbush Avenues at that time of night?

NY is the nation's biggest tourist mecca, giving visitors lots to do as tournament week moves on and there are fewer games - Broadway theaters, museums, Central park, the Empire State building, Ellis Island, Little Italy and China Town, the Financial district, South street Seaport, etc. But all that stuff's in Manhattan. And again out-of-twoners would be easily confused by navigating the city from downtown Brooklyn than from midtown Manhattan.

(05-18-2013 02:53 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 11:46 PM)Green Bull Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:13 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Making the Big East have it's tournament the same time as the mid-majors is tearing up the contract.

I'll be honest - the prospect of MSG having the Big East and ACC tournaments back-to-back isn't completely far-fetched to me. That being said, I also think that ESPN is vastly overstating this story. I'm very certain that the ACC would love to play at MSG regularly (maybe once every 3 years or even every other year), but there's very little chance that they'd make it into a permanent site. You're not prying that tournament out of North Carolina for more than one year at a time.

How about the Big East agreeing to have their tournament a week earlier and Fox signing off on that move? I highly doubt that would happen and if MSG signed the ACC the Big East would sue MSG and would move across the river to Brooklyn. Would be better for the Big East anyway since Brooklyn is the hipper cooler borough in the city and recruits would love that.

That move could also hurt the Gardens relationship with SJU. Before some Cuse fan makes some stupid joke about SJU and it's fans, let me just say that we're talking about 10-12 games being lost and giving their direct competitors even more business. Barclays is the only reason the Garden got an upgrade in the first place. Cuse will only play one to two games there a year and thats all before Christmas.

I am just curious, but what part of the contract would be broken if the Madison Square Garden simply hosted the ACC's tournament, too?

Because it would be taking the dates we signed on for. I don't understand how many of you dont understand how us not being on during championship is a bad thing for the Big East. It's like the SEC saying it wants to play its FB championship in Charolette and that the ACC should play theirs a week earlier.

We are not some mid major league who will stand for being pushed around abd forced out of our home.

If the ACC wants MSG they should play the week before us.

Not playing FBS = mid-major. Not sure why you view the term as a slight. It isn't. And you are a mid-major.

(05-18-2013 09:40 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:53 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 11:46 PM)Green Bull Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:13 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'll be honest - the prospect of MSG having the Big East and ACC tournaments back-to-back isn't completely far-fetched to me. That being said, I also think that ESPN is vastly overstating this story. I'm very certain that the ACC would love to play at MSG regularly (maybe once every 3 years or even every other year), but there's very little chance that they'd make it into a permanent site. You're not prying that tournament out of North Carolina for more than one year at a time.

How about the Big East agreeing to have their tournament a week earlier and Fox signing off on that move? I highly doubt that would happen and if MSG signed the ACC the Big East would sue MSG and would move across the river to Brooklyn. Would be better for the Big East anyway since Brooklyn is the hipper cooler borough in the city and recruits would love that.

That move could also hurt the Gardens relationship with SJU. Before some Cuse fan makes some stupid joke about SJU and it's fans, let me just say that we're talking about 10-12 games being lost and giving their direct competitors even more business. Barclays is the only reason the Garden got an upgrade in the first place. Cuse will only play one to two games there a year and thats all before Christmas.

I am just curious, but what part of the contract would be broken if the Madison Square Garden simply hosted the ACC's tournament, too?

Because it would be taking the dates we signed on for. I don't understand how many of you dont understand how us not being on during championship is a bad thing for the Big East. It's like the SEC saying it wants to play its FB championship in Charolette and that the ACC should play theirs a week earlier.

We are not some mid major league who will stand for being pushed around abd forced out of our home.

If the ACC wants MSG they should play the week before us.

Not playing FBS = mid-major. Not sure why you view the term as a slight. It isn't. And you are a mid-major.

That is what happened when Syracuse left and you separated from Cincinnati, Memphis & UConn...Dave Gavitt saw this when he created "The Real BIG EAST"...the new BIG EAST is just the A-10 on steroids...

(05-18-2013 09:40 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:53 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 11:46 PM)Green Bull Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:13 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'll be honest - the prospect of MSG having the Big East and ACC tournaments back-to-back isn't completely far-fetched to me. That being said, I also think that ESPN is vastly overstating this story. I'm very certain that the ACC would love to play at MSG regularly (maybe once every 3 years or even every other year), but there's very little chance that they'd make it into a permanent site. You're not prying that tournament out of North Carolina for more than one year at a time.

How about the Big East agreeing to have their tournament a week earlier and Fox signing off on that move? I highly doubt that would happen and if MSG signed the ACC the Big East would sue MSG and would move across the river to Brooklyn. Would be better for the Big East anyway since Brooklyn is the hipper cooler borough in the city and recruits would love that.

That move could also hurt the Gardens relationship with SJU. Before some Cuse fan makes some stupid joke about SJU and it's fans, let me just say that we're talking about 10-12 games being lost and giving their direct competitors even more business. Barclays is the only reason the Garden got an upgrade in the first place. Cuse will only play one to two games there a year and thats all before Christmas.

I am just curious, but what part of the contract would be broken if the Madison Square Garden simply hosted the ACC's tournament, too?

Because it would be taking the dates we signed on for. I don't understand how many of you dont understand how us not being on during championship is a bad thing for the Big East. It's like the SEC saying it wants to play its FB championship in Charolette and that the ACC should play theirs a week earlier.

We are not some mid major league who will stand for being pushed around abd forced out of our home.

If the ACC wants MSG they should play the week before us.

Not playing FBS = mid-major. Not sure why you view the term as a slight. It isn't. And you are a mid-major.

Only in the minds of football-centric fans who see nothing else but football. NCAA schools do play other sports besides football and even besides basketball. Every one of those other sports has their pecking order and it is not based on football.

Football fans seem to feel an odd sense of entitlement for their schools. Having a major football program doesn't mean that you have a good baseball program, or a good track & field Program, or good golf. or tennis, or hockey, or LAX, etc.

The idea that everything is based on FBS football is simply laughable.

(05-18-2013 09:40 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:53 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 11:46 PM)Green Bull Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:13 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'll be honest - the prospect of MSG having the Big East and ACC tournaments back-to-back isn't completely far-fetched to me. That being said, I also think that ESPN is vastly overstating this story. I'm very certain that the ACC would love to play at MSG regularly (maybe once every 3 years or even every other year), but there's very little chance that they'd make it into a permanent site. You're not prying that tournament out of North Carolina for more than one year at a time.

How about the Big East agreeing to have their tournament a week earlier and Fox signing off on that move? I highly doubt that would happen and if MSG signed the ACC the Big East would sue MSG and would move across the river to Brooklyn. Would be better for the Big East anyway since Brooklyn is the hipper cooler borough in the city and recruits would love that.

That move could also hurt the Gardens relationship with SJU. Before some Cuse fan makes some stupid joke about SJU and it's fans, let me just say that we're talking about 10-12 games being lost and giving their direct competitors even more business. Barclays is the only reason the Garden got an upgrade in the first place. Cuse will only play one to two games there a year and thats all before Christmas.

I am just curious, but what part of the contract would be broken if the Madison Square Garden simply hosted the ACC's tournament, too?

Because it would be taking the dates we signed on for. I don't understand how many of you dont understand how us not being on during championship is a bad thing for the Big East. It's like the SEC saying it wants to play its FB championship in Charolette and that the ACC should play theirs a week earlier.

We are not some mid major league who will stand for being pushed around abd forced out of our home.

If the ACC wants MSG they should play the week before us.

Not playing FBS = mid-major. Not sure why you view the term as a slight. It isn't. And you are a mid-major.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Can't wait to see all the big talkers after B retires.

(05-18-2013 03:32 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:13 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:48 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  No one is saying tear up the Big East Contract with MSG... all the talk I've seen from MSG and ACC is about several years down the road after the current Greensboro contract ends and if the Big East does not reach specific benchmarks in the coming year or two. MSG usually has ironclad contracts with specific ways out! I've both worked for and dealt with them before in Hartford at the Civic Center (XL Center).

Making the Big East have it's tournament the same time as the mid-majors is tearing up the contract.

I'll be honest - the prospect of MSG having the Big East and ACC tournaments back-to-back isn't completely far-fetched to me. That being said, I also think that ESPN is vastly overstating this story. I'm very certain that the ACC would love to play at MSG regularly (maybe once every 3 years or even every other year), but there's very little chance that they'd make it into a permanent site. You're not prying that tournament out of North Carolina for more than one year at a time.

How about the Big East agreeing to have their tournament a week earlier and Fox signing off on that move? I highly doubt that would happen and if MSG signed the ACC the Big East would sue MSG and would move across the river to Brooklyn. Would be better for the Big East anyway since Brooklyn is the hipper cooler borough in the city and recruits would love that.

That move could also hurt the Gardens relationship with SJU. Before some Cuse fan makes some stupid joke about SJU and it's fans, let me just say that we're talking about 10-12 games being lost and giving their direct competitors even more business. Barclays is the only reason the Garden got an upgrade in the first place. Cuse will only play one to two games there a year and thats all before Christmas.

I have nothing against Brooklyn. I was born there and grew up there. But Barclay should never be mentioned for a college basketball tournament.

It works for the Nets because it's perfect for commuters, sitting right on top of a LIRR terminal and having easy subway access.

But a conference tournament needs accommodations for out-of-towners. The Garden has hotels right across the street. Brooklyn has very limited hotel space and nothing immediately in the vicinity of Barclay.

Out-of-towners are easily intimidated by NYC. For them, trying to find their way to the arena by subway can be very confusing. The Sheraton is the nicest hotel downtown Brooklyn and its walkable to Barclay, but the walk would be intimidating because it's the busiest part of Brooklyn. Cabs are not as readily available in downtown Brooklyn as they are in midtown Manhattan - especially at 11:00 or so at night when tournament games end. What restaurants are available after a game on Atlantic or Flatbush Avenues at that time of night?

NY is the nation's biggest tourist mecca, giving visitors lots to do as tournament week moves on and there are fewer games - Broadway theaters, museums, Central park, the Empire State building, Ellis Island, Little Italy and China Town, the Financial district, South street Seaport, etc. But all that stuff's in Manhattan. And again out-of-twoners would be easily confused by navigating the city from downtown Brooklyn than from midtown Manhattan.

The first time I went to NYC, I didn't have any trouble navigating my way around the Burroughs via mass transit. But I can read a map. So perhaps I'm different than most...

(05-18-2013 09:45 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:40 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:53 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 11:46 PM)Green Bull Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  How about the Big East agreeing to have their tournament a week earlier and Fox signing off on that move? I highly doubt that would happen and if MSG signed the ACC the Big East would sue MSG and would move across the river to Brooklyn. Would be better for the Big East anyway since Brooklyn is the hipper cooler borough in the city and recruits would love that.

That move could also hurt the Gardens relationship with SJU. Before some Cuse fan makes some stupid joke about SJU and it's fans, let me just say that we're talking about 10-12 games being lost and giving their direct competitors even more business. Barclays is the only reason the Garden got an upgrade in the first place. Cuse will only play one to two games there a year and thats all before Christmas.

I am just curious, but what part of the contract would be broken if the Madison Square Garden simply hosted the ACC's tournament, too?

Because it would be taking the dates we signed on for. I don't understand how many of you dont understand how us not being on during championship is a bad thing for the Big East. It's like the SEC saying it wants to play its FB championship in Charolette and that the ACC should play theirs a week earlier.

We are not some mid major league who will stand for being pushed around abd forced out of our home.

If the ACC wants MSG they should play the week before us.

Not playing FBS = mid-major. Not sure why you view the term as a slight. It isn't. And you are a mid-major.

That is what happened when Syracuse left and you separated from Cincinnati, Memphis & UConn...Dave Gavitt saw this when he created "The Real BIG EAST"...the new BIG EAST is just the A-10 on steroids...

Actually that's not what happened at all.

A conference that has had 4 teams in the last 5 Final Fours and 5 in the last 7 is about as far from midmajor as you can get. This is a conference which includes 4 past national champions among its membership. It is by definition a power conference.

in its entire history as a conference going back to the days of the Eastern 8 in 1976-77, that A10 has sent exactly one team to the Final Four - UMass (1996). And UMass' Final Four appearance was later vacated. The comparison of the Big east with the A10 is ludicrous.

(05-18-2013 10:25 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:45 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:40 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:53 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 11:46 PM)Green Bull Wrote:  I am just curious, but what part of the contract would be broken if the Madison Square Garden simply hosted the ACC's tournament, too?

Because it would be taking the dates we signed on for. I don't understand how many of you dont understand how us not being on during championship is a bad thing for the Big East. It's like the SEC saying it wants to play its FB championship in Charolette and that the ACC should play theirs a week earlier.

We are not some mid major league who will stand for being pushed around abd forced out of our home.

If the ACC wants MSG they should play the week before us.

Not playing FBS = mid-major. Not sure why you view the term as a slight. It isn't. And you are a mid-major.

That is what happened when Syracuse left and you separated from Cincinnati, Memphis & UConn...Dave Gavitt saw this when he created "The Real BIG EAST"...the new BIG EAST is just the A-10 on steroids...

Actually that's not what happened at all.

A conference that has had 4 teams in the last 5 Final Fours and 5 in the last 7 is about as far from midmajor as you can get. This is a conference which includes 4 past national champions among its membership. It is by definition a power conference.

in its entire history as a conference going back to the days of the Eastern 8 in 1976-77, that A10 has sent exactly one team to the Final Four - UMass (1996). And UMass' Final Four appearance was later vacated. The comparison of the Big east with the A10 is ludicrous.

Clearly anyone who calls a top 4 conference a mid major is not playing with a full deck. Especially when you take into consideration that the big east makes more tv money than the Go5 conferences.