(05-28-2013 02:09 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 11:04 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 08:22 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 10:30 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 10:05 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I said it's what separated VT from ECU. They were very similar programs in the 80's.

Except VT was not in the BE in the 90's. We went to the National Championship game in 1999

Uhh . . .

You want to try that one again? The Virginia Tech team that went to the NC game and lost in 1999 went to that game after winning the Big East.

Sounds like your typical 20 something idiot VT fan that thinks they've always been a football power. VT was in the Big east throughout almost ALL of the 1990's. In this case NJRedman is spot on, ECU and VT were virtually identical programs prior to 1990.

Except this entire discussion is about VT being lifted up by the Catholic 7. VT owes them nothing. For the entire 90's we weren't in the BE for basketball. BE football only.

My first year was 91 and I'm very familiar with how similar ECU and the Hokies were up until then but what happened prior to VT joining the BE football conference has nothing to do with this conversation.

VT did gain ground in the BE but that was in-spite of the Catholic 7 not because of them.

This is funny.

Go back and see where anyone mentioned the C7. I said Big East, oh wait, who founded the Big East? Who made the Big East a legit conference? Oh yeeeaaaaah....

You can say whatever you want but you guys were ECU until you joined the Big East. You only played FB because you guys stunk (and still stink) at BBall.

I know you ACC guys like to rewrite history but this is too funny. You were raised up by the Big East and would still be in the Big East if not for your Governor.

(05-28-2013 06:38 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 07:01 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 04:23 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 04:02 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  You don't even know what I'm disagreeing with. I'm saying that even if they split off they still would have left when approached by other leagues. There was zero loyalty within that group.

So, if the endgame for football was 14 and no higher, and the ACC had offered ND, Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's spots in the conference instead of simply ND, are you saying Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's would have refused out of loyalty to Providence and Seton Hall?

Cheers,
Neil

Swing and a miss.

The FB schools had zero loyalty to each other and to suggest that if the FB schools split away from the BBall schools in the 90's and added Cincy and UofL they would all still be together today is just silly. Miami was looking out for Miami and BC was looking out for BC and Cuse was looking out for Cuse and thats the truth. Your question has ZERO BEARING on the conversation at hand.

Of course it has a bearing on the conversation. You said that the football schools had no loyalty to one another simply because they looked out for number one when better offers came along.

I posed a scenario question to you that you refused to answer since you know that had a better offer come along for the likes of St. John's, Georgetown, and Villanova, they'd have looked out for themselves as well and not given a crap about Providence, Seton Hall, or each other.

Your dodge of the question is a fail.

Cheers,
Neil

It has ZERO bearing on if the FB schools would all still be together today. Explain to me how anything the BBall schools do has to do with the idea that all the former BE FB schools would all still be together today? Seriously, it has NOTHING to do with it.

Also if the ACC offers GTown a spot they would pass.

1. They would have zero say in conference matters and be the redheaded stepchild. In the BE they have a very big voice.

2. They are making the same now as they would in the ACC.

The Big East right now is the BBall version of the B1G or SEC. The top conference for BBall schools without FB. Thats why schools like Butler, Xavier and Creighton are leaving their old leagues.

Once again, has nothing to do with if the original 8 BE FB schools would still be together or not.

(05-28-2013 01:40 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 08:22 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 10:30 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 10:05 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I said it's what separated VT from ECU. They were very similar programs in the 80's.

Except VT was not in the BE in the 90's. We went to the National Championship game in 1999

Uhh . . .

You want to try that one again? The Virginia Tech team that went to the NC game and lost in 1999 went to that game after winning the Big East.

Being in the BE for football had no association with the Catholic 7.

So being in a conference we founded means you have nothing to do with us. Gotcha'

(05-28-2013 02:58 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Melky, Louisville's in the Current AAC lineup!

Ahh . . . I see.

It was a trick question. This was a pointless "next year only" question.

We're still talking about UConn & Louisville as the only AAC schools to make it to the Final Four in the last dozen years vs 4 Big East schools in the same time frame.

UConn and Louisville combined for 5 Final Four finishes in that time frame. Butler, Villanova, Georgetown, & Marquette also had 5 Final Four in the same period. So, why does the AAC have a better shot at getting someone to the Final Four. Even if we're looking at history, it's a 50-50 toss up.

(05-28-2013 01:40 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 08:22 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 10:30 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 10:05 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I said it's what separated VT from ECU. They were very similar programs in the 80's.

[b]Except VT was not in the BE in the 90's. We went to the National Championship game in 1999[/b]

Uhh . . .

You want to try that one again? The Virginia Tech team that went to the NC game and lost in 1999 went to that game after winning the Big East.

Being in the BE for football had no association with the Catholic 7.

Except that was not the statement that was made. I boldened it above.

"VT was not in the Big East in the 90s."

But they were.

(05-28-2013 01:44 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 09:58 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 10:26 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 07:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Not really, we found the league that gave VT relevance. The Big East wasn't the Metro, it was a nationally known name and just came off an amazing decade for the league. That gave them the edge on a program like ECU.

Now for Louisville, being a member of the Big East gave them street cred in the BBall world. CUSA was a good league in the day but it wasn't considered on the level of the ACC, B1G, Pac or Big East. The ACC wouldn't have taken UofL fro CUSA but taking them from the Big East was okay to them. Not saying any one school did that for them, but the collective Big East did. Thats why I think it's funny that now all of a sudden 7 of those schools are "mid-majors".

They were always mid-majors clinging like leeches to the major sports programs in their conference. That's the way I viewed them in the 90's, the 2000's, and today. I expect a huge drop from those schools now that they no longer have major college programs to hold them up.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha without us you guys would be in CUSA/AAC right now. You think Vick or many of the other recruits you got over the years would have gone to VT if we didn't pick your sorry butts?

You didn't chose us. None of the Catholic 7 chose us. We were chosen by the BE football schools. VT owes nothing to the Catholic 7.

Not true. When VT was admitted for all sports in 2000, the vote was by all the members.

(05-28-2013 01:50 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 01:44 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 09:58 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 10:26 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 07:23 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Not really, we found the league that gave VT relevance. The Big East wasn't the Metro, it was a nationally known name and just came off an amazing decade for the league. That gave them the edge on a program like ECU.

Now for Louisville, being a member of the Big East gave them street cred in the BBall world. CUSA was a good league in the day but it wasn't considered on the level of the ACC, B1G, Pac or Big East. The ACC wouldn't have taken UofL fro CUSA but taking them from the Big East was okay to them. Not saying any one school did that for them, but the collective Big East did. Thats why I think it's funny that now all of a sudden 7 of those schools are "mid-majors".

They were always mid-majors clinging like leeches to the major sports programs in their conference. That's the way I viewed them in the 90's, the 2000's, and today. I expect a huge drop from those schools now that they no longer have major college programs to hold them up.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha without us you guys would be in CUSA/AAC right now. You think Vick or many of the other recruits you got over the years would have gone to VT if we didn't pick your sorry butts?

You didn't chose us. None of the Catholic 7 chose us. We were chosen by the BE football schools. VT owes nothing to the Catholic 7.

Not true. When VT was admitted for all sports in 2000, the vote was by all the members.

It's just the continued attempts to rewrite history by the ACC schools, mostly by those who USED to be in the Big East. They continue to undersell the role the league played in their own schools rise up the ranks.

(05-28-2013 02:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 01:50 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 01:44 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 09:58 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 10:26 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  They were always mid-majors clinging like leeches to the major sports programs in their conference. That's the way I viewed them in the 90's, the 2000's, and today. I expect a huge drop from those schools now that they no longer have major college programs to hold them up.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha without us you guys would be in CUSA/AAC right now. You think Vick or many of the other recruits you got over the years would have gone to VT if we didn't pick your sorry butts?

You didn't chose us. None of the Catholic 7 chose us. We were chosen by the BE football schools. VT owes nothing to the Catholic 7.

Not true. When VT was admitted for all sports in 2000, the vote was by all the members.

It's just the continued attempts to rewrite history by the ACC schools, mostly by those who USED to be in the Big East. They continue to undersell the role the league played in their own schools rise up the ranks.

Absolutely. As though the basketball success of the BE had nothing to do with establishing it as a power conference.

(05-28-2013 03:29 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 02:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 01:50 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 01:44 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 09:58 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Hahahahahahahahahahahaha without us you guys would be in CUSA/AAC right now. You think Vick or many of the other recruits you got over the years would have gone to VT if we didn't pick your sorry butts?

You didn't chose us. None of the Catholic 7 chose us. We were chosen by the BE football schools. VT owes nothing to the Catholic 7.

Not true. When VT was admitted for all sports in 2000, the vote was by all the members.

It's just the continued attempts to rewrite history by the ACC schools, mostly by those who USED to be in the Big East. They continue to undersell the role the league played in their own schools rise up the ranks.

Absolutely. As though the basketball success of the BE had nothing to do with establishing it as a power conference.

So, this response clearly shows you understood the context of the posts you responded to and chose to ignore them and hide behind grammatical nuances. VT's success in football came prior to when they came in for all other sports and therefore the basketball schools had nothing whatsoever to do with their success. It would be like Miami trying to lay claim to any success UConn had in football.

And, the basketball success of the conference didn't help establish the Big East as a power football conference. Miami did the bulk of the work there with a little help from Syracuse, West Virginia and VT in the same way FSU did the heavy lifting for the ACC with a little help from the others.

Now, if one wants to argue that the overall basketball prowess of the league helped keep the league together and their place at the table after Miami, VT, and BC left they at least have a case. But VT football success owing anything to the bb schools of the BE is a joke.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-28-2013 02:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 01:50 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 01:44 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 09:58 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 10:26 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  They were always mid-majors clinging like leeches to the major sports programs in their conference. That's the way I viewed them in the 90's, the 2000's, and today. I expect a huge drop from those schools now that they no longer have major college programs to hold them up.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha without us you guys would be in CUSA/AAC right now. You think Vick or many of the other recruits you got over the years would have gone to VT if we didn't pick your sorry butts?

You didn't chose us. None of the Catholic 7 chose us. We were chosen by the BE football schools. VT owes nothing to the Catholic 7.

Not true. When VT was admitted for all sports in 2000, the vote was by all the members.

It's just the continued attempts to rewrite history by the ACC schools, mostly by those who USED to be in the Big East. They continue to undersell the role the league played in their own schools rise up the ranks.

I think it's apparent who is trying to rewrite history here. The ones who don't know it and continually prove they don't know it post after post after post.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-28-2013 01:42 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 02:58 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Melky, Louisville's in the Current AAC lineup!

Ahh . . . I see.

It was a trick question. This was a pointless "next year only" question.

We're still talking about UConn & Louisville as the only AAC schools to make it to the Final Four in the last dozen years vs 4 Big East schools in the same time frame.

UConn and Louisville combined for 5 Final Four finishes in that time frame. Butler, Villanova, Georgetown, & Marquette also had 5 Final Four in the same period. So, why does the AAC have a better shot at getting someone to the Final Four. Even if we're looking at history, it's a 50-50 toss up.

Oooohhhh, you forgot to insert the word "legitimately" before "make it to the Final Four in the last dozen years" so Memphis now counts.

This is the type of nonsense both you and NJRedMan have been employing throughout this thread and others.

And I actually happen to agree with both of you that the nnnBE will be ahead of the AAC in terms of top to bottom strength in basketball.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-28-2013 05:30 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 02:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 01:50 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 01:44 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 09:58 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Hahahahahahahahahahahaha without us you guys would be in CUSA/AAC right now. You think Vick or many of the other recruits you got over the years would have gone to VT if we didn't pick your sorry butts?

You didn't chose us. None of the Catholic 7 chose us. We were chosen by the BE football schools. VT owes nothing to the Catholic 7.

Not true. When VT was admitted for all sports in 2000, the vote was by all the members.

It's just the continued attempts to rewrite history by the ACC schools, mostly by those who USED to be in the Big East. They continue to undersell the role the league played in their own schools rise up the ranks.

I think it's apparent who is trying to rewrite history here. The ones who don't know it and continually prove they don't know it post after post after post.

Cheers,
Neil

Oh please, I know my Big East history. It's always been apparent who has been rewriting things.

How about you tell us why PSU's conference never got off the ground or why they were denied admission into the Big East?

(05-28-2013 05:34 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 01:42 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 02:58 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Melky, Louisville's in the Current AAC lineup!

Ahh . . . I see.

It was a trick question. This was a pointless "next year only" question.

We're still talking about UConn & Louisville as the only AAC schools to make it to the Final Four in the last dozen years vs 4 Big East schools in the same time frame.

UConn and Louisville combined for 5 Final Four finishes in that time frame. Butler, Villanova, Georgetown, & Marquette also had 5 Final Four in the same period. So, why does the AAC have a better shot at getting someone to the Final Four. Even if we're looking at history, it's a 50-50 toss up.

Oooohhhh, you forgot to insert the word "legitimately" before "make it to the Final Four in the last dozen years" so Memphis now counts.

This is the type of nonsense both you and NJRedMan have been employing throughout this thread and others.

And I actually happen to agree with both of you that the nnnBE will be ahead of the AAC in terms of top to bottom strength in basketball.

Cheers,
Neil

Well if you want non-sense than you'll love this!

"The ACC will play it's BBall tournament in Madison Square Garden!"

hahaha Oh man thats some funny stuff.

(05-28-2013 06:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 05:34 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 01:42 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 02:58 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Melky, Louisville's in the Current AAC lineup!

Ahh . . . I see.

It was a trick question. This was a pointless "next year only" question.

We're still talking about UConn & Louisville as the only AAC schools to make it to the Final Four in the last dozen years vs 4 Big East schools in the same time frame.

UConn and Louisville combined for 5 Final Four finishes in that time frame. Butler, Villanova, Georgetown, & Marquette also had 5 Final Four in the same period. So, why does the AAC have a better shot at getting someone to the Final Four. Even if we're looking at history, it's a 50-50 toss up.

Oooohhhh, you forgot to insert the word "legitimately" before "make it to the Final Four in the last dozen years" so Memphis now counts.

This is the type of nonsense both you and NJRedMan have been employing throughout this thread and others.

And I actually happen to agree with both of you that the nnnBE will be ahead of the AAC in terms of top to bottom strength in basketball.

Cheers,
Neil

Well if you want non-sense than you'll love this!

"The ACC will play it's BBall tournament in Madison Square Garden!"

hahaha Oh man thats some funny stuff.

So it's nonsense to think that MSG, if offered the ACC tourney as the permanent site, wouldn't choose Duke, SU, UNC, Louisville, Pitt, and ND over St. John's, Georgetown, and Nova?

Just be glad that the ACC is too much in love with Greensboro or you'd be trying to steal Barclays away from the A10.



Cheers,
Neil

(05-28-2013 06:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 05:30 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 02:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 01:50 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 01:44 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  You didn't chose us. None of the Catholic 7 chose us. We were chosen by the BE football schools. VT owes nothing to the Catholic 7.

Not true. When VT was admitted for all sports in 2000, the vote was by all the members.

It's just the continued attempts to rewrite history by the ACC schools, mostly by those who USED to be in the Big East. They continue to undersell the role the league played in their own schools rise up the ranks.

I think it's apparent who is trying to rewrite history here. The ones who don't know it and continually prove they don't know it post after post after post.

Cheers,
Neil

Oh please, I know my Big East history. It's always been apparent who has been rewriting things.

How about you tell us why PSU's conference never got off the ground or why they were denied admission into the Big East?

They were voted down 3 nays-5 yays by basketball schools against Gavitt's wishes because those three schools were afraid of the future. The Nits should have been voted in jointly with Pitt instead they had to quickly turn around after not voting PSU in and lock Pitt in to try and prevent JoePa from creating his own conference. Fortunately JoePa was greedy in his demands, otherwise he just might have created that northeastern conference.

Of course none of the above changes the fact that whether joining the Big East in the early 80s or creating a new all-sports northeastern conference, PSU still probably would have bolted when the Big Ten came calling.

Cheers,
Neil