They approach because you can't just look at a few options, you gotta check all of them out first.

(05-10-2013 06:34 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  I'm not hoping they will collapse. I'm hoping jax St joins. I'm just wondering why would the SBC would even approach schools who have not even expressed any interest in moving ûp. None . Rather than add schools who have already state some desire and even began making improvements to become fbs. Most school who have said no don't even meet min attendance requirements.

I honestly don't know why you can't figure it out. It's because the schools that want to join are unable to get 75% of the votes needed. It is obvious. I like JSU, but the location is killing it. If JSU was in TN or KY or VA they would likely be in.

The membership has asked Benson to check the landscape, and that is what he is doing. For every school that has gone public about conversations with the SBC, there are probably 3 more that have been contacted and understood the SBC is on a fact finding mission. Its an ego boost for some of these schools, and some just can't help but share it publicly. If you read the IL State story, you see it for what it is... at least the AD there made it clear in the article that Benson was calling many schools, that it was not an invitation, and that he wanted to know if the school had interest in or considered FBS. Its due diligence plain and simple and I am glad the conference is doing it.

The SBC should contact Coastal and add them, there are only 2 FBS schools in SC and it has recruiting talent...the Myrtle Beach market continues to grow and neither Charleston or Wilmington have a FBS team. They have expansion capabilities to go to 20K pretty quick, have a good basketball coach in Cliff Ellis and some other good programs including baseball....where they have hosted regionals. Oh and a billionaire football coach.

They would be better than Jacksonville St, Lamar, and Liberty long term IMO....and they fit geographically the best with Ga Southern and App State.

There is nothing wrong with the SBC having to wait a year on #12 for JMU/Missouri St.

The reason is that the SBC has until 2019-20 on its contract and would be more at the midway point in 2015 where they could reopen and add value with a CCG and 12th. Getting the 12th early for 2014 doesn't give them as much leverage as it would 1 year down the road.

The AAC, CUSA and MWC all make 1 million per school on TV and I would suspect given what the MAC is trying to do with ESPN that soon all G5 conference will be making at least 1 million per year.

Why not then wait a year for Missouri State to get their house built? Sitting at 11 is much better than sitting at 13 because of the way the CFP payouts work.

(05-10-2013 07:07 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  They approach because you can't just look at a few options, you gotta check all of them out first.

That is right. Being contacted does not mean a whole lot in this process. It isn't as easy as just ringing up a school and having them say yes or no.

(05-10-2013 09:38 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  There is nothing wrong with the SBC having to wait a year on #12 for JMU/Missouri St.

The reason is that the SBC has until 2019-20 on its contract and would be more at the midway point in 2015 where they could reopen and add value with a CCG and 12th. Getting the 12th early for 2014 doesn't give them as much leverage as it would 1 year down the road.

The AAC, CUSA and MWC all make 1 million per school on TV and I would suspect given what the MAC is trying to do with ESPN that soon all G5 conference will be making at least 1 million per year.

Why not then wait a year for Missouri State to get their house built? Sitting at 11 is much better than sitting at 13 because of the way the CFP payouts work.

I believe that it's more like $2 mil for each AAC school.

(05-09-2013 06:59 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Already a no from utc, Indiana St, and Illinois St. Probably jmu and mo St. Is the real reason for delay a lack of willing candidates. Was nmsu and Idaho "in particular" added out of necessity or desperation. Who else have said no?

NMSU and Idaho was added out of necessity ~ as available FBS schools, there's no wait for a year before their games can count as FBS games, which affects scheduling via the 5 FBS home games rules, and no wait for two years until they are fully qualified FBS schools, which seems likely to affect the number of bowls that the conference can sponsor.

If JMU thinks they are too good for the Sunbelt, the Sunbelt should invite NDSU FB-only and upgrade NMSU to all-sports.

(05-10-2013 11:12 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 09:38 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  There is nothing wrong with the SBC having to wait a year on #12 for JMU/Missouri St.

The reason is that the SBC has until 2019-20 on its contract and would be more at the midway point in 2015 where they could reopen and add value with a CCG and 12th. Getting the 12th early for 2014 doesn't give them as much leverage as it would 1 year down the road.

The AAC, CUSA and MWC all make 1 million per school on TV and I would suspect given what the MAC is trying to do with ESPN that soon all G5 conference will be making at least 1 million per year.

Why not then wait a year for Missouri State to get their house built? Sitting at 11 is much better than sitting at 13 because of the way the CFP payouts work.

I believe that it's more like $2 mil for each AAC school.

The breakdown from the SBJ article referenced in another thread on this board:

MWC - $1.38M
CUSA - $1.45M
AAC - $1.74M (based on eventual 11 schools - Navy being separate)

I'd rather wait a year for JMU or Missouri State. If UMass doesn't get the ultimatum from the MAC, they probably take the other as #14. Adding a 14th costs each school about $65,000 in playoff money as each conference only gets a maximum of $12 million from the first pool, but when school #131 gets invited, the Power 5 have to add another school to keep the majority of votes in FBS.

(05-09-2013 08:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  But the MAC already is a geographically correct conference for UMass.

what?

(05-10-2013 11:25 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 06:59 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Already a no from utc, Indiana St, and Illinois St. Probably jmu and mo St. Is the real reason for delay a lack of willing candidates. Was nmsu and Idaho "in particular" added out of necessity or desperation. Who else have said no?

NMSU and Idaho was added out of necessity ~ as available FBS schools, there's no wait for a year before their games can count as FBS games, which affects scheduling via the 5 FBS home games rules, and no wait for two years until they are fully qualified FBS schools, which seems likely to affect the number of bowls that the conference can sponsor.

If JMU thinks they are too good for the Sunbelt, the Sunbelt should invite NDSU FB-only and upgrade NMSU to all-sports.

Yes and no. NMSU and Idaho were added as football only because they were FBS, but also to get to 12 teams so that the SunBelt can host a championship game. I kinda like the idea of NDSU football only, but I don't know they would do it. NMSU all sports makes more sense... perhaps add JMU as football only since the CAA football conference is separate from the all-sports conference.

The league is meeting in two weeks. We will either have a new member or we will wait... and if we wait, in my humble opinion, its because we have a lock on a school that just needs another year to join.

(05-10-2013 01:47 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 11:25 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 06:59 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Already a no from utc, Indiana St, and Illinois St. Probably jmu and mo St. Is the real reason for delay a lack of willing candidates. Was nmsu and Idaho "in particular" added out of necessity or desperation. Who else have said no?

NMSU and Idaho was added out of necessity ~ as available FBS schools, there's no wait for a year before their games can count as FBS games, which affects scheduling via the 5 FBS home games rules, and no wait for two years until they are fully qualified FBS schools, which seems likely to affect the number of bowls that the conference can sponsor.

If JMU thinks they are too good for the Sunbelt, the Sunbelt should invite NDSU FB-only and upgrade NMSU to all-sports.

Yes and no. NMSU and Idaho were added as football only because they were FBS, but also to get to 12 teams so that the SunBelt can host a championship game. I kinda like the idea of NDSU football only, but I don't know they would do it. NMSU all sports makes more sense... perhaps add JMU as football only since the CAA football conference is separate from the all-sports conference.

JMU would be OK as FB-only if they are unwilling to leave their BBall conference, but there's the issue of FB-only FCS promotions moving on once they have their FBS status ~ like the MAC and UCF.

The SBC is starting to mirror the recent WAC past. Have you all forgotten the order of events and rhetoric.

(05-10-2013 01:55 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 01:47 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 11:25 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 06:59 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Already a no from utc, Indiana St, and Illinois St. Probably jmu and mo St. Is the real reason for delay a lack of willing candidates. Was nmsu and Idaho "in particular" added out of necessity or desperation. Who else have said no?

NMSU and Idaho was added out of necessity ~ as available FBS schools, there's no wait for a year before their games can count as FBS games, which affects scheduling via the 5 FBS home games rules, and no wait for two years until they are fully qualified FBS schools, which seems likely to affect the number of bowls that the conference can sponsor.

If JMU thinks they are too good for the Sunbelt, the Sunbelt should invite NDSU FB-only and upgrade NMSU to all-sports.

Yes and no. NMSU and Idaho were added as football only because they were FBS, but also to get to 12 teams so that the SunBelt can host a championship game. I kinda like the idea of NDSU football only, but I don't know they would do it. NMSU all sports makes more sense... perhaps add JMU as football only since the CAA football conference is separate from the all-sports conference.

JMU would be OK as FB-only if they are unwilling to leave their BBall conference, but there's the issue of FB-only FCS promotions moving on once they have their FBS status ~ like the MAC and UCF.

Good point, but bad example - UCF went I-A in 1996 six years before joining the MAC conference in 2002. Not really an FCS call-up.

(05-10-2013 03:49 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  Good point, but bad example - UCF went I-A in 1996 six years before joining the MAC conference in 2002. Not really an FCS call-up.

Semantic quibbling ... the point is they were three years in the MAC before they made a move ~ UCF and Temple made Marshall look like the height of conference loyalty.

Its a risk to any conference to take a FB-only school without the protection of a GOR.

(05-09-2013 08:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  But the MAC already is aThere is no geographically correct conference for UMass.

FIFY
The lack of any single conference with more than 2 members near UMass is a product of northeast universities preferring to beat each other through scheming and politics rather than by settling matters on the playing field. Thus every northeast school is an outlier in its own conference.

(05-10-2013 06:44 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 08:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  But the MAC already is aThere is no geographically correct conference for UMass.

FIFY
The lack of any single conference with more than 2 members near UMass is a product of northeast universities preferring to beat each other through scheming and politics rather than by settling matters on the playing field. Thus every northeast school is an outlier in its own conference.

true dat

but penn state has improved their situation with rutgers and maryland

(05-10-2013 08:56 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 06:44 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 08:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  But the MAC already is aThere is no geographically correct conference for UMass.

FIFY
The lack of any single conference with more than 2 members near UMass is a product of northeast universities preferring to beat each other through scheming and politics rather than by settling matters on the playing field. Thus every northeast school is an outlier in its own conference.

true dat

but penn state has improved their situation with rutgers and maryland

Not really.

Liberty is clearly out. If they were a net addition to any conference they would have been invited by now.

(05-09-2013 08:50 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 08:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  But the MAC already is a geographically correct conference for UMass.

Not really. The MAC is a Midwestern conference. UMass is a Northeastern university. A geographically correct league for the Minutemen would be one that includes UConn and Temple or -- pipe dream -- BC and Syracuse (or Rutgers and Penn State). The MAC is not a longterm fit for UMass.

If they don't fit, why did UMass admin think it was a good idea to join in the first place?