Damn, why are some folks hating on this guy? He's my hero today. If the ACC had been raided heavily that more than likely meant really bad news for ECU.

(04-26-2013 10:10 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Sure its unlikely but i like this setup for ESPN to arrange after starting an ACC and SEC network:

SEC
e- UK, UT, Vandy, NcState, Wake, Scar, UGA, UF
w- Ala, Aub, Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, TA&M, Ark, Mo

ACC
n- BC, Uconn, Cuse, Pitt, Cincy, Lville, ND, Gtown
s- UVA, Va tech, UNC, Duke, Clem, GaTech, FSU, Miami

(shift miami to the north for football)

I think the acc and sec network would rival the big 10 and lock up a good chunk of the country for espn with a two 16 team leagues. Football in the sec and hoops in the acc is nice 1-2 combo. The concept of texas joining the acc is about as likely as FSU joining the big 12. As for nd, i doubt they ever join a league for football so the acc will wait a long time for that to happen.

What's ya smokin" cBluesox' ?

(04-26-2013 11:57 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Damn, why are some folks hating on this guy? He's my hero today. If the ACC had been raided heavily that more than likely meant really bad news for ECU.

I wouldn't say "hate." I just think the writers of the piece didn't quite get that Barron was more of an ACC ally than they realize. Swofford couldn't just make those visits without Barron's knowledge or approval.

Time will tell is all. But I suspect that Barron and his ilk weren't going to move unless a certain dollar amount was on the table from the Big XII or SEC, and nobody knew what that figure was (if it was even firm) except for Barron and a few others. The competition couldn't meet that number, so they stay...regardless of the economics.

(04-26-2013 11:51 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I don't get the hero worship for Swofford. Reading Barron's quotes, it sounded like his mind was made up not to leave regardless of what his student body, alumni, BoT, boosters, and (fans) felt.

And I don't get where these guys think he discussed matters with the SEC. Either they want you or they don't. And considering he's been a supporter of the ACC arrangement, if the SEC didn't want FSU, wouldn't it be the best ammunition to use to keep yourself where you are? The quote about how the SEC expanded? Please...any mark with a computer and internet connection could have made the same conclusion with some on these sorts of message boards.

Barron has made it clear he prefers the ACC, probably because he's concerned with more than just football. However, it's not Barron's decision which conference FSU goes to.

The article does state that FSU did reach out to the SEC and were basically told, "Thanks, but no thanks."

The issue is the B1G and SEC can get ACC teams, but not the ACC teams they want. Cuse, Pitt, and BC would join the B1G in a heartbeat, but they aren't interested. FSU and Clemson would join the SEC tomorrow but they don't want them. Both sides want UNC, but can't get them.

(04-26-2013 01:23 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The issue is the B1G and SEC can get ACC teams, but not the ACC teams they want. Cuse, Pitt, and BC would join the B1G in a heartbeat, but they aren't interested. FSU and Clemson would join the SEC tomorrow but they don't want them. Both sides want UNC, but can't get them.

Don't be so sure those three would join the B1G in a heartbeat. Pitt...likely yes

Cuse and BC probably not.

(04-26-2013 01:35 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 01:23 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The issue is the B1G and SEC can get ACC teams, but not the ACC teams they want. Cuse, Pitt, and BC would join the B1G in a heartbeat, but they aren't interested. FSU and Clemson would join the SEC tomorrow but they don't want them. Both sides want UNC, but can't get them.

Don't be so sure those three would join the B1G in a heartbeat. Pitt...likely yes

Cuse and BC probably not.

In my opinion, this is 100% correct.

(04-26-2013 11:51 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I don't get the hero worship for Swofford.

At least for me it isn't hero worship. But I do think that ten years ago, Swofford is probably the only guy in the country who realized that there was only going to be room for either the the Big East or the ACC, and there may not be room for either of them.

So he did what it took to make sure the ACC survived. I think that is definitely worth a tip of the cap.

(04-26-2013 02:47 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 11:51 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I don't get the hero worship for Swofford.

At least for me it isn't hero worship. But I do think that ten years ago, Swofford is probably the only guy in the country who realized that there was only going to be room for either the the Big East or the ACC, and there may not be room for either of them.

So he did what it took to make sure the ACC survived. I think that is definitely worth a tip of the cap.

UVA and UNC are hard gets for the B10.
However ,if the B10 took say Vanderbilt,would FSU,NCST and VTECH go the SEC?
In heart beat.Then would GA TECH be available to the BIG10?
Certainly.

(04-26-2013 02:59 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 02:47 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 11:51 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I don't get the hero worship for Swofford.

At least for me it isn't hero worship. But I do think that ten years ago, Swofford is probably the only guy in the country who realized that there was only going to be room for either the the Big East or the ACC, and there may not be room for either of them.

So he did what it took to make sure the ACC survived. I think that is definitely worth a tip of the cap.

UVA and UNC are hard gets for the B10.
However ,if the B10 took say Vanderbilt,would FSU,NCST and VTECH go the SEC?
In heart beat.Then would GA TECH be available to the BIG10?
Certainly.

That's a lot of speculation.

There's no real reason to believe Vanderbilt would leave. And its highly suspect the Big 10 would want them. However, assuming this did happen, I 'm not sure of you conclusions.

FSU would gladly go to the SEC (their president notwithstanding), but I'm not sure the SEC wants them.

NC State and VT are less certain. Politics got VT into the ACC and could prevent them from leaving even if they wanted. Not sure NC State is all that eager to leave either. Or that the SEC would want them. And the Wolfpack would have similar political issues that would have to be addressed.

Even if one of them left, not sure why Georgia Tech would leave. It seems they could have left before all of this and said no. And losing a VT or NC State really changes nothing.

(04-26-2013 01:35 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 01:23 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The issue is the B1G and SEC can get ACC teams, but not the ACC teams they want. Cuse, Pitt, and BC would join the B1G in a heartbeat, but they aren't interested. FSU and Clemson would join the SEC tomorrow but they don't want them. Both sides want UNC, but can't get them.

Don't be so sure those three would join the B1G in a heartbeat. Pitt...likely yes

Cuse and BC probably not.

I remember some comment out of SU about 10 years ago that they would be concerned about competing against the massive resources of the B1G schools. SU and BC would go for security reasons, but I'd say they would prefer the ACC. Probably every ACC school other than Pitt (B1G-no chance), Clemson and UL (SEC-no chance) and FSU (SEC?B1G?) prefer the ACC. So Swofford had an audience that was willing to listen. They just had to be convinced to overlook the $ advantage of moving.

(04-26-2013 02:47 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 11:51 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I don't get the hero worship for Swofford.

At least for me it isn't hero worship. But I do think that ten years ago, Swofford is probably the only guy in the country who realized that there was only going to be room for either the the Big East or the ACC, and there may not be room for either of them.

So he did what it took to make sure the ACC survived. I think that is definitely worth a tip of the cap.

Interestingly, he was one of the people, along with ESPN, who was trying to scuttle the Pac 16 in 2010. He was trying to persuade people it was not a good thing to do.

(04-26-2013 01:17 PM)Jericho Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 11:51 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I don't get the hero worship for Swofford. Reading Barron's quotes, it sounded like his mind was made up not to leave regardless of what his student body, alumni, BoT, boosters, and (fans) felt.

And I don't get where these guys think he discussed matters with the SEC. Either they want you or they don't. And considering he's been a supporter of the ACC arrangement, if the SEC didn't want FSU, wouldn't it be the best ammunition to use to keep yourself where you are? The quote about how the SEC expanded? Please...any mark with a computer and internet connection could have made the same conclusion with some on these sorts of message boards.

Barron has made it clear he prefers the ACC, probably because he's concerned with more than just football. However, it's not Barron's decision which conference FSU goes to.

The article does state that FSU did reach out to the SEC and were basically told, "Thanks, but no thanks."

I'm glad Barron did what he did, but as usual, the SEC drops the ball again on FSU. I'm beginning to think new states/new markets thing is how UF likes to upgrade their schedule. They (UF AD admin) can't stand leaving the Swamp for an OOC game, but jump at the chance to be with "intellectual peers," (take a look at UF's academic profile, and compare it to TAMU & Mizzou. Need I say more? With UF, it's all about "brains") yet say all the while they're glad to be in the SEC. Yeah, right. The SEC better be thanking John Swofford for what he did also, because I believe the B1G could have created a situation where it would have been pretty darn hard for UF to ignore the B1G. I have never liked UF at all, and I will continue to dislike UF probably for the rest of my days. Also, I can safely say now, I don't care for S.Carolina either. I used to actually pull for the Gamecocks whenever they weren't playing my Dawgs (pre-Spurrier and some actually with Spurrier), but now, those days are over since they believe that are UF reincarnated, IMO. 'Bama will be the other SEC team I pull for now when they're not playing UGa; it helps too that I have a lot of 'Bama friends.

(04-30-2013 01:25 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 01:17 PM)Jericho Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 11:51 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I don't get the hero worship for Swofford. Reading Barron's quotes, it sounded like his mind was made up not to leave regardless of what his student body, alumni, BoT, boosters, and (fans) felt.

And I don't get where these guys think he discussed matters with the SEC. Either they want you or they don't. And considering he's been a supporter of the ACC arrangement, if the SEC didn't want FSU, wouldn't it be the best ammunition to use to keep yourself where you are? The quote about how the SEC expanded? Please...any mark with a computer and internet connection could have made the same conclusion with some on these sorts of message boards.

Barron has made it clear he prefers the ACC, probably because he's concerned with more than just football. However, it's not Barron's decision which conference FSU goes to.

The article does state that FSU did reach out to the SEC and were basically told, "Thanks, but no thanks."

I'm glad Barron did what he did, but as usual, the SEC drops the ball again on FSU.

Like I said, I don't come to the same conclusions as the author did based on Barron's quotes. The guy valued the ACC enough to take a defensive posture on the matter. That's not how most of these membership stories come to be.

Spirited by conviction or coerced by logic...Barron's the latter. The SEC and Big XII could have lobbed the softest pitch they could throw...he wasn't going to swing.