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(05-03-2013 07:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(05-03-2013 07:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(05-03-2013 07:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I never said they were. All indications are that the core NC/VA schools - Duke, UNC, Wake, NCST, VT, and UVA - would remain loyal to the ACC even sans a GoR and would rebuff SEC or B1G overtures. But those are the only schools that would have, and that's not nearly enough to constitute a major, P5 conference - not in football.

The BIG just can't take whomever they want. Maryland was desperate. None of the other schools were.

I didn't say they could have taken whomever they wanted. The available evidence suggests they tried and failed to lure UNC, Duke, GT, and maybe UVA as well. But they could have easily taken northern schools outside of VA and North Carolina.

What makes you think BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville wanted to be in the BIG?

... because the B1G is, along with the SEC, the richest, most stable, and most influential entity in college athletics. If you do not think those schools preferred the B1G to the ACC, you are simply unaware of this basic reality.

All things being equal (meaning a league not folding) I fully believe that Syracuse wanted the ACC over the B10. We simply do not fit into a league made up of mostly large land grant universities. We have nothing in common with those schools. Not to mention most of our alumni are in the ACC footprint.
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(05-03-2013 07:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:36 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:24 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I never said they were. All indications are that the core NC/VA schools - Duke, UNC, Wake, NCST, VT, and UVA - would remain loyal to the ACC even sans a GoR and would rebuff SEC or B1G overtures. But those are the only schools that would have, and that's not nearly enough to constitute a major, P5 conference - not in football.

The BIG just can't take whomever they want. Maryland was desperate. None of the other schools were.

I didn't say they could have taken whomever they wanted. The available evidence suggests they tried and failed to lure UNC, Duke, GT, and maybe UVA as well. But they could have easily taken northern schools outside of VA and North Carolina.

What makes you think BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville wanted to be in the BIG?

... because the B1G is, along with the SEC, the richest, most stable, and most influential entity in college athletics. If you do not think those schools preferred the B1G to the ACC, you are simply unaware of this basic reality.

Not to mention their power in the procurement of huge research dollars.

Whenever the B1G is being discussed, the CIC has to be part of the conversation. Athletics brings in chump change for a university compares to what research commands.
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(05-03-2013 07:51 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(05-03-2013 07:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:24 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  The BIG just can't take whomever they want. Maryland was desperate. None of the other schools were.

I didn't say they could have taken whomever they wanted. The available evidence suggests they tried and failed to lure UNC, Duke, GT, and maybe UVA as well. But they could have easily taken northern schools outside of VA and North Carolina.

What makes you think BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville wanted to be in the BIG?

... because the B1G is, along with the SEC, the richest, most stable, and most influential entity in college athletics. If you do not think those schools preferred the B1G to the ACC, you are simply unaware of this basic reality.

All things being equal (meaning a league not folding) I fully believe that Syracuse wanted the ACC over the B10. We simply do not fit into a league made up of mostly large land grant universities. We have nothing in common with those schools. Not to mention most of our alumni are in the ACC footprint.

I agree, but SU would not have said no. UNC and UVA can afford to. No matter what happens, unless they are total idiots, they will end up in a good conference, whether that be the ACC or elsewhere.
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(05-03-2013 07:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:33 AM)Maize Wrote:  In the end it doesn't matter...the ACC/ND made a deal/association that is good for both.

Going forward it appears the ACC is about to seriously upgrade it overall Bowls:
1. Orange Bowl
2. Gator Bowl with a partial in to replace the B1G rep some years with the Capitol One Bowl.
3. Russell Athletic
4. Belk Bowl vs. SEC
5. Sun Bowl
6. Pinstripe Bowl
7. Music City Bowl

It has a signed GoR in which @ a minimum put the per school average @ over $20 Million per year over the lifetime of the deal.

It is apparently working on it own Network...just a hunch....the SEC laid the Footprint on how to do it since any ACC Network would be done with ESPN which is in partnership with the SEC. ACC Basketball Brand should be the focus along with ND Olympic Sports outside of Hockey. Also, look @ the SEC plan of 45 Live Football Games on their Network...the ACC should be able to offer more freedom of matchups since it doesn't share Football content with another network like the SEC.

Some may call the ACC the "5th Wheel" or "a runt"...if so it is a 6-5 240 pound runt with roughly 5% Body Fat...

We agree 100%. Thanks to the GoR, as of right now, and for at least the next 10 years, the ACC is sitting pretty. Even though it is structurally the weakest of the P5, that's akin to being the poorest member of the Walton/Wal Mart family - you are still a multi-billionaire. 04-cheers

Well...long term structurally that title might belong to the Big XII only because of size and the fact it is tied to Texas/Oklahoma....Neil Pilson was on Brando Show and kind of pointed this out in regards to the issues that the Big XII would have if they tried to lainch. A Big XII network. Pilson ran CBS Sports so he knows the industry.

But in the end the Big XII, ACC, Pac 12 and the Two Giants in the SEC/B1G along with Notre Dame are laughing all the way to the bank.
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If given a choice between the two, cuse picks ACC. They have no business playing Minn, Iowa, Neb. Can you imagine the backlash from fans....
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(05-03-2013 07:11 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 05:20 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 04:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(05-02-2013 10:51 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Yep -- that pretty much nails down the orchestrated sequence of events.

That said, way back when it was first announced that ND agreed to play 5 games, Swarbick stated publicly that the ACC would select the rotation, not ND. Nice, though, to see the two parties honor that :)

Yep, ND provides its open dates and the ACC sets the teams.

Some Doubting Thomas' questioned that announcement, but it turned out as advertised.

Simply astonishing to me that ND agreed to let the ACC commissioner fill out a big chunk of it schedule. 01-wingedeagle



The ACC is the best place for ND. Hands down.

It sure beats the AAC. It also beats the Big East (C7).

I also happen to think a partial ACC membership beats a partial Big 12 membership by a long shot from ND's perspective.

What proposed alternative would you have given Jack Swarbrick last fall that would have secured a great home for other sports, a set of minor bowl options, Southeast football games for recruiting purposes, an Orange Bowl option and good November (FSU, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech) games on the schedule while keeping control of seven games and the NBC contract?

If you have one, I sure wish you would have emailed Jack Swarbrick last September.

Notre Dame had a hybrid agreement with the old Big East, and with the dismantling of the old Big East, obviously that couldn't continue so a new hybrid home for the other sports had to be found. In that regard, the ACC was as good an option as any, and probably the best option.

So my complaint isn't with signing an agreement with the ACC, it's with the terms of the agreement signed. IMO, Notre Dame simply gave up too much control over its football schedule to get the agreement. Notre Dame signed at a time (September) when Notre Dame football looked relatively weak and the ACC looked strong. Later events last fall showed that ND football is still the most valuable brand in college sports, and the B1G swiping of Maryland exposed ACC weakness. A deal signed in November/December could have been much more favorable to Notre Dame.

In negotiations, timing can mean a lot, and Notre Dame signed at a time when it looked weak and the ACC looked strong, and that's why the deal looks so sweet to the ACC right now.


Go to any ND board. You will find a few who don't like it, some who want ND to be independent in all sports.

But, I think that you will find the vast majority are very happy and content with the ACC deal.

The ND administration thinks that they hit the jackpot. The WVU fans on their Scout board think that ND fleeced the ACC. It depends on your outlook/perception/bias/angle, I suppose.

In reality, both ND and the ACC love the deal. The only one who seems to not like it or think ND got the worst of the bargain is you, as far as I can tell.

In my opinion, ND got the best of both worlds in the Realignment Wars.
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Notre Dame did hit the jackpot:
1. It got the best possible home for it Basketball & Olympic Sports.
2. Got a long term extension with NBC and controls all it Home Games with an over the air network.
3. It has a Contract Bowl Tie-In...tie-ins with bowls through the ACC with maybe the Gator Bowl, Capitol One Bowl, Russell Athletic Bowl, Belk Bowl & Sun Bowl...if they finish in the Top 12 they will also be in play for the Peach Bowl, Fiesta Bowl & Cotton Bowl.

No ND alum or fan should complain...great deal for the Irish.
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(05-03-2013 08:20 AM)Maize Wrote:  Notre Dame did hit the jackpot:
1. It got the best possible home for it Basketball & Olympic Sports.
2. Got a long term extension with NBC and controls all it Home Games with an over the air network.
3. It has a Contract Bowl Tie-In...tie-ins with bowls through the ACC with maybe the Gator Bowl, Capitol One Bowl, Russell Athletic Bowl, Belk Bowl & Sun Bowl...if they finish in the Top 12 they will also be in play for the Peach Bowl, Fiesta Bowl & Cotton Bowl.

No ND alum or fan should complain...great deal for the Irish.


There does exist a subset of ND alumni and fans who recoil at any type of conference tie or connection for football, ever.

They are "Independent purists".

They are not ever happy with any "conference entanglement" at all.

They didn't like ND's involvement in the Big East bowl picture. They wanted stand alone ND bowl deals.

They refuse to believe to this minute that conference tie ins make this unlikely/impossible.

They wanted Kevin White fired on the spot for the three BE game comment and think that the world has ended with the ACC deal.

They are the ones currently withholding their donations to ND for the ACC deal and writing hate mail to Jack Swarbrick.

But, they are a small minority, a very, very small minority.

The vast majority want no further "concessions" by ND but approve of the current ACC deal.

Some wanted only 3-4 games (I was one of them) but have come around to the idea that was not going to happen (In September or December, 2012).

They believe that in today's world, this is a good deal for ND and a job well done by Jack Swarbrick.
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(05-03-2013 07:46 AM)wildthing202 Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:36 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:24 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  The BIG just can't take whomever they want. Maryland was desperate. None of the other schools were.

I didn't say they could have taken whomever they wanted. The available evidence suggests they tried and failed to lure UNC, Duke, GT, and maybe UVA as well. But they could have easily taken northern schools outside of VA and North Carolina.

What makes you think BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville wanted to be in the BIG?

... because the B1G is, along with the SEC, the richest, most stable, and most influential entity in college athletics. If you do not think those schools preferred the B1G to the ACC, you are simply unaware of this basic reality.

I doubt BC was ever interested especially since the B1G just created it's own hockey conference because BC is in the SEC of hockey conferences and I doubt they would ever want to leave that.

No school would ever turn down something as big as the B1G over something as small as hockey. BC would have jumped through 10 hoops to join the B1G.
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(05-03-2013 07:49 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:36 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:24 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  The BIG just can't take whomever they want. Maryland was desperate. None of the other schools were.

I didn't say they could have taken whomever they wanted. The available evidence suggests they tried and failed to lure UNC, Duke, GT, and maybe UVA as well. But they could have easily taken northern schools outside of VA and North Carolina.

What makes you think BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville wanted to be in the BIG?

... because the B1G is, along with the SEC, the richest, most stable, and most influential entity in college athletics. If you do not think those schools preferred the B1G to the ACC, you are simply unaware of this basic reality.

Show me any evidence that any of those schools wanted to go to the BIG over the ACC. It doesn't matter how influential you are if your targets teams simply don't want to come.

That's like asking me to show "any evidence" that my USF wants to go to the B1G as opposed to say remaining in the AAC. Of course they do, it goes without saying, since the situation would obviously be an improvement.

Seriously, it's just common knowledge/common sense that the schools i mentioned would prefer the B1G to the ACC. Only the Carolina and VA schools wouldn't. Before coming to this board, i never imagined there was a breed of ACC homer that would doubt that.
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(05-03-2013 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:49 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:36 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I didn't say they could have taken whomever they wanted. The available evidence suggests they tried and failed to lure UNC, Duke, GT, and maybe UVA as well. But they could have easily taken northern schools outside of VA and North Carolina.

What makes you think BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville wanted to be in the BIG?

... because the B1G is, along with the SEC, the richest, most stable, and most influential entity in college athletics. If you do not think those schools preferred the B1G to the ACC, you are simply unaware of this basic reality.

Show me any evidence that any of those schools wanted to go to the BIG over the ACC. It doesn't matter how influential you are if your targets teams simply don't want to come.

That's like asking me to show "any evidence" that my USF wants to go to the B1G as opposed to say remaining in the AAC. Of course they do, it goes without saying, since the situation would obviously be an improvement.

Seriously, it's just common knowledge/common sense that the schools i mentioned would prefer the B1G to the ACC. Only the Carolina and VA schools wouldn't. Before coming to this board, i never imagined there was a breed of ACC homer that would doubt that.

How is it common knowledge when no one seems to agree with you.
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(05-03-2013 08:10 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:11 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 05:20 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 04:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 01:22 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Yep, ND provides its open dates and the ACC sets the teams.

Some Doubting Thomas' questioned that announcement, but it turned out as advertised.

Simply astonishing to me that ND agreed to let the ACC commissioner fill out a big chunk of it schedule. 01-wingedeagle



The ACC is the best place for ND. Hands down.

It sure beats the AAC. It also beats the Big East (C7).

I also happen to think a partial ACC membership beats a partial Big 12 membership by a long shot from ND's perspective.

What proposed alternative would you have given Jack Swarbrick last fall that would have secured a great home for other sports, a set of minor bowl options, Southeast football games for recruiting purposes, an Orange Bowl option and good November (FSU, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech) games on the schedule while keeping control of seven games and the NBC contract?

If you have one, I sure wish you would have emailed Jack Swarbrick last September.

Notre Dame had a hybrid agreement with the old Big East, and with the dismantling of the old Big East, obviously that couldn't continue so a new hybrid home for the other sports had to be found. In that regard, the ACC was as good an option as any, and probably the best option.

So my complaint isn't with signing an agreement with the ACC, it's with the terms of the agreement signed. IMO, Notre Dame simply gave up too much control over its football schedule to get the agreement. Notre Dame signed at a time (September) when Notre Dame football looked relatively weak and the ACC looked strong. Later events last fall showed that ND football is still the most valuable brand in college sports, and the B1G swiping of Maryland exposed ACC weakness. A deal signed in November/December could have been much more favorable to Notre Dame.

In negotiations, timing can mean a lot, and Notre Dame signed at a time when it looked weak and the ACC looked strong, and that's why the deal looks so sweet to the ACC right now.


Go to any ND board. You will find a few who don't like it, some who want ND to be independent in all sports.

But, I think that you will find the vast majority are very happy and content with the ACC deal.

The ND administration thinks that they hit the jackpot. The WVU fans on their Scout board think that ND fleeced the ACC. It depends on your outlook/perception/bias/angle, I suppose.

In reality, both ND and the ACC love the deal. The only one who seems to not like it or think ND got the worst of the bargain is you, as far as I can tell.

Maybe, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. I hope you and the rest of the ND board members and administrators are correct, but I think in the long run, ACC football is weak and lacks the cultural ties we had with the B1G rivals on our schedule, and that eventually ND fans will chafe at having too much of that on the schedule.
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(05-03-2013 12:56 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:49 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:36 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  What makes you think BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville wanted to be in the BIG?

... because the B1G is, along with the SEC, the richest, most stable, and most influential entity in college athletics. If you do not think those schools preferred the B1G to the ACC, you are simply unaware of this basic reality.

Show me any evidence that any of those schools wanted to go to the BIG over the ACC. It doesn't matter how influential you are if your targets teams simply don't want to come.

That's like asking me to show "any evidence" that my USF wants to go to the B1G as opposed to say remaining in the AAC. Of course they do, it goes without saying, since the situation would obviously be an improvement.

Seriously, it's just common knowledge/common sense that the schools i mentioned would prefer the B1G to the ACC. Only the Carolina and VA schools wouldn't. Before coming to this board, i never imagined there was a breed of ACC homer that would doubt that.

How is it common knowledge when no one seems to agree with you.

98% of all college sports fans agree with me. It's only a couple loony-ACC homers, buried deep in the heart of the Carolina/VA core, and who have an astonishingly over-valued conception of Carolina/VA football, who disagree. 01-wingedeagle
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(05-03-2013 12:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 12:56 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:49 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  ... because the B1G is, along with the SEC, the richest, most stable, and most influential entity in college athletics. If you do not think those schools preferred the B1G to the ACC, you are simply unaware of this basic reality.

Show me any evidence that any of those schools wanted to go to the BIG over the ACC. It doesn't matter how influential you are if your targets teams simply don't want to come.

That's like asking me to show "any evidence" that my USF wants to go to the B1G as opposed to say remaining in the AAC. Of course they do, it goes without saying, since the situation would obviously be an improvement.

Seriously, it's just common knowledge/common sense that the schools i mentioned would prefer the B1G to the ACC. Only the Carolina and VA schools wouldn't. Before coming to this board, i never imagined there was a breed of ACC homer that would doubt that.

How is it common knowledge when no one seems to agree with you.

98% of all college sports fans agree with me. It's only a couple loony-ACC homers, who have an astonishingly over-valued conception of Carolina/VA football, who disagree. 01-wingedeagle

You're not the only non-ACC person that posts here and I don't see them agreeing either.
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(05-03-2013 01:00 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 12:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 12:56 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:49 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Show me any evidence that any of those schools wanted to go to the BIG over the ACC. It doesn't matter how influential you are if your targets teams simply don't want to come.

That's like asking me to show "any evidence" that my USF wants to go to the B1G as opposed to say remaining in the AAC. Of course they do, it goes without saying, since the situation would obviously be an improvement.

Seriously, it's just common knowledge/common sense that the schools i mentioned would prefer the B1G to the ACC. Only the Carolina and VA schools wouldn't. Before coming to this board, i never imagined there was a breed of ACC homer that would doubt that.

How is it common knowledge when no one seems to agree with you.

98% of all college sports fans agree with me. It's only a couple loony-ACC homers, who have an astonishingly over-valued conception of Carolina/VA football, who disagree. 01-wingedeagle

You're not the only non-ACC person that posts here and I don't see them agreeing either.

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(05-03-2013 01:00 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 12:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 12:56 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 07:49 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Show me any evidence that any of those schools wanted to go to the BIG over the ACC. It doesn't matter how influential you are if your targets teams simply don't want to come.

That's like asking me to show "any evidence" that my USF wants to go to the B1G as opposed to say remaining in the AAC. Of course they do, it goes without saying, since the situation would obviously be an improvement.

Seriously, it's just common knowledge/common sense that the schools i mentioned would prefer the B1G to the ACC. Only the Carolina and VA schools wouldn't. Before coming to this board, i never imagined there was a breed of ACC homer that would doubt that.

How is it common knowledge when no one seems to agree with you.

98% of all college sports fans agree with me. It's only a couple loony-ACC homers, who have an astonishingly over-valued conception of Carolina/VA football, who disagree. 01-wingedeagle

You're not the only non-ACC person that posts here and I don't see them agreeing either.

I'm sorry, but anyone who doubts that before the GoR was signed that
(1) Syracuse, UofL, BC, and Pitt would all have left the ACC for the B1G and (2) Miami, GT, FSU, and Clemson all would have left the ACC for the SEC, leaving the ACC with nothing but its pitiful Carolina/VA core and backfilling from AAC schools, is not playing with a full deck. 07-coffee3
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I can give 50 million reasons why they would not.
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(05-03-2013 01:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 01:00 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 12:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 12:56 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  That's like asking me to show "any evidence" that my USF wants to go to the B1G as opposed to say remaining in the AAC. Of course they do, it goes without saying, since the situation would obviously be an improvement.

Seriously, it's just common knowledge/common sense that the schools i mentioned would prefer the B1G to the ACC. Only the Carolina and VA schools wouldn't. Before coming to this board, i never imagined there was a breed of ACC homer that would doubt that.

How is it common knowledge when no one seems to agree with you.

98% of all college sports fans agree with me. It's only a couple loony-ACC homers, who have an astonishingly over-valued conception of Carolina/VA football, who disagree. 01-wingedeagle

You're not the only non-ACC person that posts here and I don't see them agreeing either.

I'm sorry, but anyone who doubts that before the GoR was signed that
(1) Syracuse, UofL, BC, and Pitt would all have left the ACC for the B1G and (2) Miami, GT, FSU, and Clemson all would have left the ACC for the SEC, leaving the ACC with nothing but its pitiful Carolina/VA core and backfilling from AAC schools, is not playing with a full deck. 07-coffee3
The SEC wants nothing to do with FSU, Clemson, GT, or Miami so that whole discussion is a giant mental masturbation exercise. Chances are likely FSU and Clemson would join the SEC and possibly Miami. I doubt GT would though. No one can prove either side.

I don't think Syracuse, BC, Louisville or Pitt are interested in the Big Ten at all. You can't prove they were other than cite bazillions of made up numbers that haven't been proven yet and accuse people of not having a full deck.

Again, keep wrecking your brain over what if scenarios but the only facts we do have is that only Maryland left the ACC because they were terribly mis-managed and took a shot and at least four ACC schools told the Big Ten no thanks. The ACC has lost Maryland and added Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Louisville, and Notre Dame. The ACC is going to get their own network with more money and tremendous exposure on ESPN. You can keep making up what if scenarios about their doom but the bottom line is every move Swofford has made here has been a right hook to the Big East and left jab to the Big Ten. Period.
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(05-03-2013 01:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 01:00 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 12:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 12:56 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  That's like asking me to show "any evidence" that my USF wants to go to the B1G as opposed to say remaining in the AAC. Of course they do, it goes without saying, since the situation would obviously be an improvement.

Seriously, it's just common knowledge/common sense that the schools i mentioned would prefer the B1G to the ACC. Only the Carolina and VA schools wouldn't. Before coming to this board, i never imagined there was a breed of ACC homer that would doubt that.

How is it common knowledge when no one seems to agree with you.

98% of all college sports fans agree with me. It's only a couple loony-ACC homers, who have an astonishingly over-valued conception of Carolina/VA football, who disagree. 01-wingedeagle

You're not the only non-ACC person that posts here and I don't see them agreeing either.

I'm sorry, but anyone who doubts that before the GoR was signed that
(1) Syracuse, UofL, BC, and Pitt would all have left the ACC for the B1G and (2) Miami, GT, FSU, and Clemson all would have left the ACC for the SEC, leaving the ACC with nothing but its pitiful Carolina/VA core and backfilling from AAC schools, is not playing with a full deck. 07-coffee3

Step away from the crack pipe quo. FSU and Clem are more SEC like but can't get in. I don't think Miami or GT would jump because of academics. All of those EASTERN schools don't want to go to the BIG if given a choice.
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