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RE: Got my wish: Purdue/ND series is done, gone, no more
(04-29-2013 03:10 PM)mj4life Wrote:  
(04-29-2013 02:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(04-29-2013 02:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(04-29-2013 11:39 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(04-29-2013 09:15 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  BTW I love how ND & JS totally played Deloss Dodds and the Big 12 to get the deal they wanted from the ACC. Dodds is an idiot. There aren't any Catholics to speak of in Kansas, Oklahoma, Iowa and West Virginia. The Big 12 never had a chance at luring ND.
I'm glad ND didn't associate itself with the B12. I had my fill of their partial membership in The BEast. Now the ACC, and several old BEast schools, can have start losing out on bowl appearances and bowl money to the Irish. More power to 'em...



The Big 12 (especially Deloss Dodds) wanted ND very badly as a partial member. There were talks with both the Big 12 and ACC at the same time.

ND more than likely leveraged this Big 12 partial membership interest when negotiating with the ACC. That was just good business.

Several Big 12 representatives expressed surprise and disappointment when ND chose the ACC.

I think that the only way that ND would have chosen the Big 12 was if the ACC would not change its "all or nothing" stance.

Once the ACC did, though, it was no contest. ND was looking for continued access to the Northeast and Southeast.

It had no real interest in a conference mostly located in the Great Plains.

The Big 12 never stood a real chance of landing ND in competition with an Eastern conference.

In the end, I think that it worked out well for all parties.

Texas and Notre Dame in the same conference? Imagine that. A primadonna sharing the same conference with another primadonna. That was a recipe for disaster. The ACC is a good fit for Notre Dame not just because of the NE/SE exposure but because the ACC lacks a program a la Texas, Ohio State, USC, Florida, etc......in other words the ACC replaced the Big East as the conference where Notre Dame gets its cake and eats it too. Good for Notre Dame. 04-cheers

actually the ACC was smarter than the Big East, not only did they get a contractual obligation of 5 games but also will make money off those games.

Well the ACC has leadership, the Big East never had any. That's why that conference (the one we all knew) will cease to exist in July.
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RE: Got my wish: Purdue/ND series is done, gone, no more
(04-29-2013 03:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-29-2013 02:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  The Big 12 (especially Deloss Dodds) wanted ND very badly as a partial member. There were talks with both the Big 12 and ACC at the same time.

ND more than likely leveraged this Big 12 partial membership interest when negotiating with the ACC. That was just good business.

You know I think the ACC - ND deal was far better for the ACC than ND (Irish had to surrender about 40% of their football schedule to play lousy ACC teams while the ACC got about $40 million more per year from their media deals thanks to ND participation), so if you really did leverage Big 12 interest in that bargaining, i shudder to think what the terms of the ACC - ND deal would have been without that leverage.

that's the price you pay when you don't want to end up playing in the Military bowl or Kraft Fight Hunger bowl in the years you don't qualify for a premium bowl
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I can't believe 6 home games isn't enough for Purdue.
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(04-29-2013 03:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-29-2013 02:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  The Big 12 (especially Deloss Dodds) wanted ND very badly as a partial member. There were talks with both the Big 12 and ACC at the same time.

ND more than likely leveraged this Big 12 partial membership interest when negotiating with the ACC. That was just good business.

You know I think the ACC - ND deal was far better for the ACC than ND (Irish had to surrender about 40% of their football schedule to play lousy ACC teams while the ACC got about $40 million more per year from their media deals thanks to ND participation), so if you really did leverage Big 12 interest in that bargaining, i shudder to think what the terms of the ACC - ND deal would have been without that leverage.


It would have been full membership or nothing.
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Hopefully we beat up on you every year until then. 03-wink I'm still sad though that another rivalry is broken in the greed of college athletics.
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It's better to have Notre Dame as a partial member; to give us time to clean them up, teach them some manners and make them presentable.05-stirthepot
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(04-29-2013 03:13 PM)mj4life Wrote:  
(04-29-2013 03:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-29-2013 02:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  The Big 12 (especially Deloss Dodds) wanted ND very badly as a partial member. There were talks with both the Big 12 and ACC at the same time.

ND more than likely leveraged this Big 12 partial membership interest when negotiating with the ACC. That was just good business.

You know I think the ACC - ND deal was far better for the ACC than ND (Irish had to surrender about 40% of their football schedule to play lousy ACC teams while the ACC got about $40 million more per year from their media deals thanks to ND participation), so if you really did leverage Big 12 interest in that bargaining, i shudder to think what the terms of the ACC - ND deal would have been without that leverage.

that's the price you pay when you don't want to end up playing in the Military bowl or Kraft Fight Hunger bowl in the years you don't qualify for a premium bowl

Heck, even with the ACC affiliation, those are about the kinds of bowls ND is going to play in anyway if it doesn't qualify for a premium bowl. 07-coffee3
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(04-29-2013 03:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-29-2013 03:13 PM)mj4life Wrote:  
(04-29-2013 03:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-29-2013 02:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  The Big 12 (especially Deloss Dodds) wanted ND very badly as a partial member. There were talks with both the Big 12 and ACC at the same time.

ND more than likely leveraged this Big 12 partial membership interest when negotiating with the ACC. That was just good business.

You know I think the ACC - ND deal was far better for the ACC than ND (Irish had to surrender about 40% of their football schedule to play lousy ACC teams while the ACC got about $40 million more per year from their media deals thanks to ND participation), so if you really did leverage Big 12 interest in that bargaining, i shudder to think what the terms of the ACC - ND deal would have been without that leverage.

that's the price you pay when you don't want to end up playing in the Military bowl or Kraft Fight Hunger bowl in the years you don't qualify for a premium bowl

Heck, even with the ACC affiliation, those are about the kinds of bowls ND is going to play in anyway if it doesn't qualify for a premium bowl. 07-coffee3



Damn, Steve. You should have offered to lend Jack Swarbrick a hand with conference realignment negotiations.

BTW, happy birthday.
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(04-28-2013 07:27 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Purdue thinks they're going to make more money by playing another MAC or FCS team at home every year than they would by playing ND at home every other year?

Or did they just look at the way the wind was blowing and cancel ND before ND cancelled them?

NIU is playing the Boilers this fall. That's a series I'd like to see continued at Soldier Field.
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(04-29-2013 01:56 PM)IronOrr Wrote:  
(04-29-2013 02:03 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  A question I've had for years (ever since this realignment stuff and TV deals started happening)...

At what point does the TV money outweigh the extra home game.

Interesting point. I suspect the TV money is far better. Especially for many lower-tier B1G schools, who don't sell-out those FCS games.

These teams also want to pad the schedule & get that bowl bid. Schedule 4 ooc patsies, beat up on a couple of perennial conference doormats & you're bowl eligible. The coaches & ADs are all about preserving their job & bowl bids, even lackluster ones, help with that. It's also a feather in the cap when recruiting. It's something that the conference has tolerated.

I think Minnesota killed the arrangement when they began losing to FCS teams from the Dakotas.

Indiana lost to SIU 5 years ago as well. Losses to an FCS program are and should be embarassing to an AQ program.

B10 programs for the most part do seem to want to continue scheduling MAC programs but PSU, Iowa & Indiana losing to MAC teams last year and Iowa beating NIU by 1 pt; most B10 programs will learn shortly if they haven't already that putting a MAC program on their schedule is not the automatic win it used to be.
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(04-28-2013 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Cancelled by Purdue (2016):



@TJamesNDI: Purdue AD. RT ‏@carminjc Burke said ND series now "off cycle" w/ #B1G going to 9 games starting in 2016.

@carminjc: Burke on playing 7 home games vs. keeping ND: "I cannot balance the budget on six home games. Can’t do it. It doesn't work." #Purdue

Congratulations, I hope you never play Perdue again.
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(04-28-2013 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Cancelled by Purdue (2016):



@TJamesNDI: Purdue AD. RT ‏@carminjc Burke said ND series now "off cycle" w/ #B1G going to 9 games starting in 2016.

@carminjc: Burke on playing 7 home games vs. keeping ND: "I cannot balance the budget on six home games. Can’t do it. It doesn't work." #Purdue

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but the ND Purdue series is not going to be canceled. What they are doing is having a hiatus.

Purdue needs this because of the Big 10's new 9 game schedule. Purdue wants to synch up the ND game with this schedule so that they play ND at home in years when they have 5 Big 10 away games. This tweet means that Purdue was unable to convince the Big 10 scheduling office to consider Purdue's ND contract when arranging the 9-game schedule.

Word out of West Lafayette is that the hiatus might just be for 1-year to get back in synch with ND. But they also might make it a 3-year hiatus so that Purdue can reschedule or cancel its currently scheduled away games at Marshall (2015), Missouri (2017), and Nevada (2019).

This hiatus actually benefits Notre Dame. ND still needs to cancel a 2014 game in order to meet their contractually obligated 5 games with the ACC.


This may indicate that Purdue will never schedule another OOC away game again, except for ND. Good thing UC is playing them in Nippert next year. Will other Big 10 teams with permanent rivals (like MSU and Iowa) take a similar approach to scheduling in the future?
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Seems kind of risky on Purdue's part. The Irish may prefer the scheduling flexibilty with the Boilermakers absent going forward.
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They will figure it out AD to AD. They understand the nature of the business.
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(04-30-2013 12:40 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Seems kind of risky on Purdue's part. The Irish may prefer the scheduling flexibilty with the Boilermakers absent going forward.

I sure hope so.
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I have a feeling it will be worked out and we will resume playing after a small hiatus. I would love for Purdue to be removed from future schedules but it seems like Swarbrick and Purdue's AD will come to some type of agreement.

Fingers are crossed though for it being totally removed for ever. :)
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(04-30-2013 11:55 AM)Wedge Wrote:  It would make sense if they do. Ohio State is reportedly trying to arrange its future schedules so that they play one home/home series against a "contract conference" team, with the game in Columbus in the year when Ohio St. has 4 Big Ten home games, and all the other non-con games in Columbus.
Obviously. For the Buckeyes, a four OOC schedule would be a marquee home and away, a mid level school from one of the other Major conference, and two Mid-Majors. They'd already decided to drop FCS schools, so the move to three basically means that the Big Ten game takes the spot of the lower level school from one of the other Major conferences, leaving one marquee game and two Mid-Majors.

Quote: I guess the "good news" there for FCS and non-contract teams is that if most Big Ten teams are trying to play two "money games" every year, there will be a lot of demand and the money paid to the visiting teams might go up. I'm sure there are a lot of ADs at low-revenue programs who would love to make over $1 million for sending their team to Columbus or Ann Arbor.
Not so much good news for FCS schools, since the Big Ten teams have reportedly agreed to not contract any more FCS schools. But the decision to avoid new FCS contracts implies that the Mid-Major FBS schools aren't likely to lose payday games ... so better news for the MAC and MWC than if the Big Ten went to 9 conference games and still allowed FCS contracts.

(04-30-2013 12:40 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Seems kind of risky on Purdue's part. The Irish may prefer the scheduling flexibilty with the Boilermakers absent going forward.
If ND wants that, they can get it anyway when the current contract expires. But ND needs to have some schools like Purdue on its schedule, and among schools like that, the travel cost savings makes Purdue an attractive proposition for a softer September game between two harder weeks.
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(05-01-2013 10:43 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 11:55 AM)Wedge Wrote:  I guess the "good news" there for FCS and non-contract teams is that if most Big Ten teams are trying to play two "money games" every year, there will be a lot of demand and the money paid to the visiting teams might go up. I'm sure there are a lot of ADs at low-revenue programs who would love to make over $1 million for sending their team to Columbus or Ann Arbor.


Not so much good news for FCS schools, since the Big Ten teams have reportedly agreed to not contract any more FCS schools. But the decision to avoid new FCS contracts implies that the Mid-Major FBS schools aren't likely to lose payday games ... so better news for the MAC and MWC than if the Big Ten went to 9 conference games and still allowed FCS contracts.

Barry Alvarez said that, but it was also reported that some of the lower-tier Big Ten schools have said there's NFW they're giving up the FCS games.
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(05-01-2013 10:43 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 12:40 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Seems kind of risky on Purdue's part. The Irish may prefer the scheduling flexibilty with the Boilermakers absent going forward.
If ND wants that, they can get it anyway when the current contract expires. But ND needs to have some schools like Purdue on its schedule, and among schools like that, the travel cost savings makes Purdue an attractive proposition for a softer September game between two harder weeks.

Yes Notre Dame could do that, but Purdue's actions here give the Irish an excellent opportunity to shed a longtime "rival" while making it look like it was Purdue's fault.

I disagree that the ND needs schools like Purdue on the schedule. Their home games allow them all the presence in the Midwest that they need. Their away games can focus on maintaining their national presence and key recruiting states like Florida, Texas and California.

If they feel like they could use more games in the Midwest then I'm sure they can work out a neutral site game in Chicago with an ACC team or someone else.
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(05-01-2013 10:43 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 11:55 AM)Wedge Wrote:  It would make sense if they do. Ohio State is reportedly trying to arrange its future schedules so that they play one home/home series against a "contract conference" team, with the game in Columbus in the year when Ohio St. has 4 Big Ten home games, and all the other non-con games in Columbus.
Obviously. For the Buckeyes, a four OOC schedule would be a marquee home and away, a mid level school from one of the other Major conference, and two Mid-Majors. They'd already decided to drop FCS schools, so the move to three basically means that the Big Ten game takes the spot of the lower level school from one of the other Major conferences, leaving one marquee game and two Mid-Majors.

Quote: I guess the "good news" there for FCS and non-contract teams is that if most Big Ten teams are trying to play two "money games" every year, there will be a lot of demand and the money paid to the visiting teams might go up. I'm sure there are a lot of ADs at low-revenue programs who would love to make over $1 million for sending their team to Columbus or Ann Arbor.
Not so much good news for FCS schools, since the Big Ten teams have reportedly agreed to not contract any more FCS schools. But the decision to avoid new FCS contracts implies that the Mid-Major FBS schools aren't likely to lose payday games ... so better news for the MAC and MWC than if the Big Ten went to 9 conference games and still allowed FCS contracts.

(04-30-2013 12:40 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Seems kind of risky on Purdue's part. The Irish may prefer the scheduling flexibilty with the Boilermakers absent going forward.
If ND wants that, they can get it anyway when the current contract expires. But ND needs to have some schools like Purdue on its schedule, and among schools like that, the travel cost savings makes Purdue an attractive proposition for a softer September game between two harder weeks.

(05-01-2013 12:36 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  
(05-01-2013 10:43 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 12:40 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Seems kind of risky on Purdue's part. The Irish may prefer the scheduling flexibilty with the Boilermakers absent going forward.
If ND wants that, they can get it anyway when the current contract expires. But ND needs to have some schools like Purdue on its schedule, and among schools like that, the travel cost savings makes Purdue an attractive proposition for a softer September game between two harder weeks.

Yes Notre Dame could do that, but Purdue's actions here give the Irish an excellent opportunity to shed a longtime "rival" while making it look like it was Purdue's fault.

I disagree that the ND needs schools like Purdue on the schedule. Their home games allow them all the presence in the Midwest that they need. Their away games can focus on maintaining their national presence and key recruiting states like Florida, Texas and California.

If they feel like they could use more games in the Midwest then I'm sure they can work out a neutral site game in Chicago with an ACC team or someone else.

+1000

My preference would be for ND to never play a Big Ten school again in any sport.

If it must play one in football, I would prefer Michigan State to any other Big Ten school.

I think that ND should take that Purdue slot and always use it to play in the Southwest.
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