(04-25-2013 02:27 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 11:11 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 09:51 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 09:26 AM)EMUAARON Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 09:09 AM)holybovine Wrote:  Interesting question.

i assume it's because high school players take longer to develop and he's looking for a quick ticket out of town.

I think it is because our program has been mediocre for so many years that our reputation locally is not good.

Remember, the last time we were in the NCAAs was March 1998, 15 years ago.

Some of the h.s. players Hoopster wants us to get were just out of diapers (and the rising junior class was still in diapers) during the Boykins, Dial, etc. era.

In the ensuing 15 years EMU students, Ypsilanti locals, Hoopster, posters here have been turned off by EMU hoops.

If Hoopster and others are 'on and off' the EMU bandwagon why would Martez Walker, Kahlid Felder, etc be on the bandwagon???

I read poster sentiment and assume it is a 'microcosm' of what Detroit PSL coaches, Detroit sports media, Detroit area players, etc. think.

We are all observers of the same product: EMU men's basketball.

If we, many of whom 'bleed green' are 'off the bandwagon' then things are dire for us in Southeast MI.

We need wins to refurbish our image.

We'd need to go 'beyond our borders' and look for recruits who will take a FRESH LOOK at Murphy and the program.

P.S. EVERYONE knows this: You take a Detroit athlete and ask him what he thinks of EMU (fill in the sport), EMU's campus and EMU's athletic facilities and get his reaction.

THEN, take that same athlete on a tour of the campus and the athletic facilities and he'll say: "I never would have thought (the campus and facilities were so nice).

EMU has an image problem which diminishes once folks step on campus and put their preconceived notions to reality...

P.S. Don't we have the same problem in FB? Don't we have real problems recruiting in MI?

Doesn't that suggest the problem is not just a men's basketball program problem, per se???

I completely agree. It is an image problem that stems even further than athletics. When telling people where I went to school, I have received many eye rolls and blank stairs(many while in the Ann Arbor area). It is disheartening that this "perception" of EMU is so negative, but the true EMU supporters of this page and elsewhere need to keep the faith in the coaches and leaders of the university, that in time this "perception" will begin to improve.


I also found this twitter exchange between Ray Lee and Glenn Bryant to be worrisome. It explains a lot of about both of them and where these actions have derived from. It is sick that these are they type of things that some young college students and athletes believe.

https://twitter.com/RayLee15/status/324647397827432449

I'd kick both of those clowns off the team right now for those statements alone!!!!!!!!!!!! People have been booted for much less.

What a couple of a$$holes.

In fact, last year, Brady Hoke took back a scholarship offer from a recruit due to some really offensive tweets that he engaged in. In light of the current situation, I agree. I would kick those guys off the team asap. If you don't have integrity, what do you really have?

(04-25-2013 04:14 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 02:27 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 11:11 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 09:51 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 09:26 AM)EMUAARON Wrote:  i assume it's because high school players take longer to develop and he's looking for a quick ticket out of town.

I think it is because our program has been mediocre for so many years that our reputation locally is not good.

Remember, the last time we were in the NCAAs was March 1998, 15 years ago.

Some of the h.s. players Hoopster wants us to get were just out of diapers (and the rising junior class was still in diapers) during the Boykins, Dial, etc. era.

In the ensuing 15 years EMU students, Ypsilanti locals, Hoopster, posters here have been turned off by EMU hoops.

If Hoopster and others are 'on and off' the EMU bandwagon why would Martez Walker, Kahlid Felder, etc be on the bandwagon???

I read poster sentiment and assume it is a 'microcosm' of what Detroit PSL coaches, Detroit sports media, Detroit area players, etc. think.

We are all observers of the same product: EMU men's basketball.

If we, many of whom 'bleed green' are 'off the bandwagon' then things are dire for us in Southeast MI.

We need wins to refurbish our image.

We'd need to go 'beyond our borders' and look for recruits who will take a FRESH LOOK at Murphy and the program.

P.S. EVERYONE knows this: You take a Detroit athlete and ask him what he thinks of EMU (fill in the sport), EMU's campus and EMU's athletic facilities and get his reaction.

THEN, take that same athlete on a tour of the campus and the athletic facilities and he'll say: "I never would have thought (the campus and facilities were so nice).

EMU has an image problem which diminishes once folks step on campus and put their preconceived notions to reality...

P.S. Don't we have the same problem in FB? Don't we have real problems recruiting in MI?

Doesn't that suggest the problem is not just a men's basketball program problem, per se???

I completely agree. It is an image problem that stems even further than athletics. When telling people where I went to school, I have received many eye rolls and blank stairs(many while in the Ann Arbor area). It is disheartening that this "perception" of EMU is so negative, but the true EMU supporters of this page and elsewhere need to keep the faith in the coaches and leaders of the university, that in time this "perception" will begin to improve.


I also found this twitter exchange between Ray Lee and Glenn Bryant to be worrisome. It explains a lot of about both of them and where these actions have derived from. It is sick that these are they type of things that some young college students and athletes believe.

https://twitter.com/RayLee15/status/324647397827432449

I'd kick both of those clowns off the team right now for those statements alone!!!!!!!!!!!! People have been booted for much less.

What a couple of a$$holes.

In fact, last year, Brady Hoke took back a scholarship offer from a recruit due to some really offensive tweets that he engaged in. In light of the current situation, I agree. I would kick those guys off the team asap. If you don't have integrity, what do you really have?

Yeah, nothing like domestic abuse and gun jokes, particularly in the times in which we live.

Given their backgrounds, I suppose we'll soon be treated to a series of rape jokes.

Here is the latest article from annarbor.com.

http://www.annarbor.com/news/ypsilanti/s...irlfriend/

(04-25-2013 12:23 PM)TimBuck2 Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 12:00 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 10:51 AM)TimBuck2 Wrote:  Aaron, I was typing a response to Steve that mirrored what you wrote... Until my browser crashed and I lost it all. Only thing I don't know about is the point about Ramsey's ability to get preps who are legitimate MAC players outside of Dumes, Medlock, Dobbins, and Bowdry. And three of them were in one class if memory correctly serves me. Ramsey had a ton of transfers. Most did not do well.

Ah, Ramsey recruited well INITIALLY (or got lucky) and then things dried up and when he left the cupboard was bare, bare, bare...

Hence, Murphy reached for Austin Harper, hoping to have a legitimate PG (he didn't know that Lamps would prove to be an effective PG).

And had to 'reach' and take some risks to try to build the program.

Yeah it seems Rams got by on his ties to Braun and Mich. but t hen water found its level, he turned every player against him (remember him screaming in the faces of his players during timeouts? -- See Dumes), and any well he had with hs coaches/players dried up.

As for Murphy going forward, I wouldn't be surprised if the new ad came in and cleaned him out confiding this Bryant thing. Or Martin will do it before and be able to sell a new AD on installing his/her own. Murphy will then fall into the Gino Smith, Still, Richard Franklin (fb), Okoro, types who had potential and got caught up in legal trouble/off field stuff.

I'm still baffled by this talk of the U. getting rid of Murphy.

As we learned from the Rutgers debacle, the bar for firing a coach 'for cause' is pretty high (remember that Rutgers did not think they could fire Mike Rice and ended up with a costly settlement and ended up with a costly settlement with the AD, too. The AD might have been a scapegoat for the decision made by the U's senior legal person, their general counsel, and didn't get fired for cause).

The reason is usually things like serious NCAA violations or a serious violation of law (e.g., blood alcohol 2x the legal limit or moral turpitude).

If my arithmetic is correct that EMU is obligated to Murphy for about 600 - 700K.

Would tell me if I'm wrong about my understanding of how and how expensive it is to get rid of a coach with a long contract who didn't violate NCAA regs or a serious violation of public law?

The contract are written in such a way to prevent a school for using 'trumped up' or minor charges (e.g., stopped twice for speeding) as grounds to fire for cause.

(BTW, I believe I have Murphy's contract on my PC. I think I saved it last summer when he considered leaving).

I saw an article (but didn't read it, just the major text parts) this week about ADs complaining that all the fans want me to fire the coach but I can't afford the costs. (don't know if it was the USA Today).

I agree with Steve (as shocking as that is :), the Still and Bryant matters are totally different and yes I put Bryant's actions on Bryant and not on Murphy. I don't believe there were formal charges in the Bryant situation.

However what is shocking is the result of the most recent charge of Bryant and the tweets between Ray Lee and Bryant, I might add the prosecuter's office might find these useful should this case go to trial. I'm not sure the Gangsta image is one we want at EMU from our student athletes. As a dad with two daughters I find Bryant and Lee's attitudes towards women offensive. Ray Lee has alot of growing up to do. Bryant may do his behind bars.

What this will come down to is whether the female victim will eventually press charges or drop them. That's the legal aspects.

Murphy and staff have only to read the tweets and wonder what type of spoiled children they've brought into the program.

(04-26-2013 02:41 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I agree with Steve (as shocking as that is :), the Still and Bryant matters are totally different and yes I put Bryant's actions on Bryant and not on Murphy. I don't believe there were formal charges in the Bryant situation.

However what is shocking is the result of the most recent charge of Bryant and the tweets between Ray Lee and Bryant, I might add the prosecuter's office might find these useful should this case go to trial. I'm not sure the Gangsta image is one we want at EMU from our student athletes. As a dad with two daughters I find Bryant and Lee's attitudes towards women offensive. Ray Lee has alot of growing up to do. Bryant may do his behind bars.

What this will come down to is whether the female victim will eventually press charges or drop them. That's the legal aspects.

Murphy and staff have only to read the tweets and wonder what type of spoiled children they've brought into the program.

I too have seen all of the Tweets these h.s. and college athletes have been putting up and they are shocking. One that really bothers me is the use of the "N" word.

I don't know that when you write something it is hard for the reader to tell that you're kidding. I did see that Lee did use Lol but still it is very poor taste to make a lighthearted comment about this type of matter.

I tend to read Twitter posts as if they are something which would be written here: well thought out, good grammar, etc. etc.

But that isn't the way kids use Twitter. That said, I'm a bit old to relate to adolescent tweets. What they and I find offensive is very different.

I understand that social media is followed by a number of universities, including UofM which apparently has done their own catfishing, for whatever reasons I do not know...

No, trying to strangle a 19 woman is no laughing matter.

Tell you what, if Bryant and Lee were on the football team English would have kicked them to the curb long ago.

Where's the damage control here? Lee should be suspended for some games next season for the tweets, Bryant's comments show no remorse. Does Murphy and his staff have any control here?

I don't believe this but to the outside world we have Mr Hip Hop as basketball coach that has a steet gang for players wearing EMU basketball uniforms.

Wow GB and Ray Lee this is really funny (being sarcastic):

From eagle totem:

The charge of aggravated domestic violence requires that the victim have received serious or aggravated injuries requiring medical attention. A first conviction is a misdemeanor punishable by up to a year in jail and/or a $1,000 fine. There’s also a lesser charge of domestic violence for cases where the injury requirement is not met; the maximum penalty is 93 days in jail and/or a $500 fine.

Assault by strangulation means “intentionally impeding normal breathing or circulation of the blood by applying pressure on the throat or neck or by blocking the nose or mouth of another person”, and is a felony charge punishable by up to 10 years in jail and/or a $5,000 fine.

(04-26-2013 06:09 AM)emu79 Wrote:  No, trying to strangle a 19 woman is no laughing matter.

Tell you what, if Bryant and Lee were on the football team English would have kicked them to the curb long ago.

Where's the damage control here? Lee should be suspended for some games next season for the tweets, Bryant's comments show no remorse. Does Murphy and his staff have any control here?

I don't believe this but to the outside world we have Mr Hip Hop as basketball coach that has a steet gang for players wearing EMU basketball uniforms.

The irony is that they may have the street gang, hip hop image, but we play in the style of an Ivy League team.

(04-26-2013 06:45 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 06:09 AM)emu79 Wrote:  No, trying to strangle a 19 woman is no laughing matter.

Tell you what, if Bryant and Lee were on the football team English would have kicked them to the curb long ago.

Where's the damage control here? Lee should be suspended for some games next season for the tweets, Bryant's comments show no remorse. Does Murphy and his staff have any control here?

I don't believe this but to the outside world we have Mr Hip Hop as basketball coach that has a steet gang for players wearing EMU basketball uniforms.

The irony is that they may have the street gang, hip hop image, but we play in the style of an Ivy League team.

hahahaha not funny but really funny

(04-26-2013 02:41 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Murphy and staff have only to read the tweets and wonder what type of sociopaths they've brought into the program.

FIFY

(04-26-2013 06:09 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Where's the damage control here? Lee should be suspended for some games next season for the tweets, Bryant's comments show no remorse. Does Murphy and his staff have any control here?

In fairness, the exchange between Bryant and Lee took place on 4/17, which is before the choking incident actually happened.

i don't think there's any chance that Murphy is fired if he has 3 more years. but, what will they do? what discipline options are available to school administrators? in my mind, the odds of any kind of punishment is lessened since our AD is currently an interim AD. it's hard to imagine an interim AD making waves.

Meh, I'm done with EMU basketball until Murphy is gone. His style of play was almost enough to get rid of me, now this...Screw it, I doubt I'll be gone long. The new AD will want his own coach and they'll figure out a way to settle with him. He doesn't want to be at Eastern anyway, so he'll take a deal.

(04-26-2013 05:49 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Meh, I'm done with EMU basketball until Murphy is gone. His style of play was almost enough to get rid of me, now this...Screw it, I doubt I'll be gone long. The new AD will want his own coach and they'll figure out a way to settle with him. He doesn't want to be at Eastern anyway, so he'll take a deal.

We have SO much going on. Murphy only in his 2nd year going on 3rd with GB in trouble, English's last year under contract, our AD finds a new job..... so much going on.

(04-26-2013 05:49 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Meh, I'm done with EMU basketball until Murphy is gone.

I'm gone if they run Murphy out of town.

I can't take the local anarchists continuing to burn down the village attitude. (they try to build the village, get frustrated burn it down, start over, build the village, get frustrated, burn it down again, start to rebuild the village, etc.).

Barnes - he gone.

Boone - he gone.

Ramsey - he gone.

Murphy - they want him gone.

We need to stay with our coach and let him build what he's trying to build and not start from scratch with a new coach, his staff, his players, his style of play.

Every coaching changes sets the program back.

I think Murphy has the best chance to succeed.

(04-26-2013 06:17 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 05:49 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Meh, I'm done with EMU basketball until Murphy is gone.

I'm gone if they run Murphy out of town.

I can't take the local anarchists continuing to burn down the village attitude. (they try to build the village, get frustrated burn it down, start over, build the village, get frustrated, burn it down again, start to rebuild the village, etc.).

Barnes - he gone.

Boone - he gone.

Ramsey - he gone.

Murphy - they want him gone.

We need to stay with our coach and let him build what he's trying to build and not start from scratch with a new coach, his staff, his players, his style of play.

Every coaching changes sets the program back.

I think Murphy has the best chance to succeed.

Agreed, behind Murphy 100%! Murphy isn't doing that bad. Recruiting so far from what we've seen has been pretty good. Sure there are some issues off the court but that happens with a lot of teams.

We still got to stick together.

(04-26-2013 06:17 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 05:49 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Meh, I'm done with EMU basketball until Murphy is gone.

I'm gone if they run Murphy out of town.

I can't take the local anarchists continuing to burn down the village attitude. (they try to build the village, get frustrated burn it down, start over, build the village, get frustrated, burn it down again, start to rebuild the village, etc.).

Barnes - he gone.

Boone - he gone.

Ramsey - he gone.

Murphy - they want him gone.

We need to stay with our coach and let him build what he's trying to build and not start from scratch with a new coach, his staff, his players, his style of play.

Every coaching changes sets the program back.

I think Murphy has the best chance to succeed.

Barnes shouldn't have been hired, Boone definitely shouldn't have been hired, Ramsey was on hope only, Murphy needs another year at least. Love his defense!

(04-26-2013 06:17 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 05:49 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Meh, I'm done with EMU basketball until Murphy is gone.

I'm gone if they run Murphy out of town.

I can't take the local anarchists continuing to burn down the village attitude. (they try to build the village, get frustrated burn it down, start over, build the village, get frustrated, burn it down again, start to rebuild the village, etc.).

Barnes - he gone.

Boone - he gone.

Ramsey - he gone.

Murphy - they want him gone.

We need to stay with our coach and let him build what he's trying to build and not start from scratch with a new coach, his staff, his players, his style of play.

Every coaching changes sets the program back.

I think Murphy has the best chance to succeed.

Boone put us in back motion the day he was hired!

(04-26-2013 06:30 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 06:17 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 05:49 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Meh, I'm done with EMU basketball until Murphy is gone.

I'm gone if they run Murphy out of town.

I can't take the local anarchists continuing to burn down the village attitude. (they try to build the village, get frustrated burn it down, start over, build the village, get frustrated, burn it down again, start to rebuild the village, etc.).

Barnes - he gone.

Boone - he gone.

Ramsey - he gone.

Murphy - they want him gone.

We need to stay with our coach and let him build what he's trying to build and not start from scratch with a new coach, his staff, his players, his style of play.

Every coaching changes sets the program back.

I think Murphy has the best chance to succeed.

Barnes shouldn't have been hired, Boone definitely shouldn't have been hired, Ramsey was on hope only, Murphy needs another year at least. Love his defense!

Murphy has the best chance to succeed of any of these.

It has been a 'comedy' of errors. Barnes was a big mistake. Boone was hired as the 'not Barnes' coach, Ramsey as the local, not Boone choice, but Murphy was the assistant coach who has local ties and has been with a number of winning programs from high school, Kent State and Syracuse.

A good choice for a MAC HC position.