jaminandjachin
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RE: Notre Dame screws the B1G again!
(04-28-2013 07:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (04-28-2013 03:55 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote: (04-28-2013 03:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (04-28-2013 03:22 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote: (04-28-2013 03:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote: My concept of footprint needs no adjustment. It just refers to the dominant conference in a particular state. E.g., for Florida and Georgia, that is the SEC, so those states are part of the SEC footprint. In contrast, we can say that the ACC's footprint is North Carolina and Virginia, but that it also has a presence in states like Georgia, South Carolina, Florida, Pennsylvania, New York, and Kentucky. Just as the SEC has a presence in Texas, though that state is in the Big 12's footprint. So i think it is useful to distinguish a conference's relations to three types of areas: Footprint states, presence states, and other territories. For the ACC, examples would be North Carolina, Florida, and Minnesota. For the SEC, Florida, Texas, and also Minnesota.
You also have to remember that there is a difference between an ACC school having a big following in a state, and the ACC having a big following in a state. They are not necessarily the same thing. For example, in the state of Florida, FSU has a large, significant fan following. But, that doesn't translate into much interest in the ACC, since most of those fans don't like the ACC and wish FSU was in a different conference. FSU fans are rabid about FSU football, but are basically indifferent or even scornful about what is happening in the rest of the ACC football world. They care about Miami but have no interest in a Virginia - NC State football game. Go to a bar in Tallahassee and you won't see anyone bothering to tune in to watch Virginia Tech - Wake Forest. In contrast, if you go to Louisiana, not only does LSU have a huge fan base, but if LSU isn't playing a game and you go in to a sports bar, you will see large masses of LSU fans watching an Arkansas-Florida game, a South Carolina-Tennessee game, an Ole Miss - Auburn game, etc. because these same fans care deeply about the SEC.
Also, I explained earlier, Notre Dame's situation is difficult to fit in to the P5 discussion because of their unique status. However, the bottom line is that if Notre Dame is invited to the Orange Bowl once every three times it can be invited, then Notre Dame will make as much money from the bowl system as a B1G or SEC school will, which means that the system was designed to make ND structurally equal to those conferences, the two very top conferences.
Your first sentence if the problem. Footprint doesn't mean dominance, and it clearly doesn't mean that to the networks.
It's not a problem once you realize that networks care greatly about the degree of penetration within an area, and my concepts of "footprint" and "presence" capture that nicely.
The ACC surely gets paid less than the SEC for the state of Georgia, because the SEC is the dominant conference, the footprint conference, while the ACC has a presence there. The ACC gets more for Georgia than the Big 12, which neither has a footprint nor a presence there.
Here is a point that should make it clear to you the error of your ways: By your logic, the networks should consider states like Florida, Tennessee, and Texas part of the new AAC's footprint, since the AAC has schools in those states. They therefore should be paying the AAC as much money for those states as they are paying the SEC and Big 12 for those states. But of course they are not.
If you read my previous posts I said footprint requires a significant presence. It doesn't have to be the dominant one just like A&M in Texas. The ACC has a significant presence in Fla, Georgia, SC, and Kentucky. The problem is you seem to discount that level of presence. Well if you've ever been to a GA-GT game then you know that presence isn't small. Likewise for Lou-Kentucky. I don't even want to get into Florida. Miami and FSU have been two of the best programs over the last 20 years so you know their presence in Fla is significant.
I read your previous post, and explained why your concept of significant presence is inadequate.
As for Florida, remember what i said about FSU and Miami fans caring little about the ACC. It's important.
So FSU and Miami care little about the ACC yet signed a GOR with the league when they could have gone elsewhere. Just call up ESPN and tell them that the ACC's footprint is only NC and VA because those are the only states that care about the league.
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