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RE: The only losers in realignment are
If the news of the ACC GOR is true (and it seemingly is), UConn, Cincy and USM look to be the biggest losers.

B1G winner, the B1G. We're losing the Legends and Leaders goofiness.
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RE: The only losers in realignment are
(04-22-2013 12:40 PM)Fireman451 Wrote:  B1G winner, the B1G. We're losing the Legends and Leaders goofiness.
I've got to agree with you there. Those were about the stupidest division names the B1G could have come up with...
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RE: The only losers in realignment are
(04-22-2013 12:23 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Methinks an ACC in which all 15 members have reportedly agreed to sign a GOR says the ACC is a winner. We will miss Maryland in much the same way the SEC misses GT.

And... Louisville is an upgrade.

Once again, it's not about whether a replacement is suitable or might even be an upgrade on-the-field/court. The ACC would have never, ever, ever, ever, ever *chosen* to trade Maryland for Louisville, just as the Big 12 would have never, ever, ever, ever, ever *chosen* to trade, say, Colorado for West Virginia or TCU regardless of how terrible CU has been lately in terms of competitiveness. Those conferences lost schools that no league in its right mind would ever want to lose. The fact that there were solid replacements for them was fortuitous, but it wasn't by choice, so yes, they lost *something* (population base, academic prestige, TV markets, etc.). The Big Ten, SEC and Pac-12 are the only ones to have outright gains without losing any assets.
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RE: The only losers in realignment are
(04-22-2013 11:06 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  3) MAC -- no losses.

[Rodney Dangerfield voice]: "What does Temple have to do to get any respect around here?!"
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RE: The only losers in realignment are
(04-22-2013 12:54 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(04-22-2013 11:06 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  3) MAC -- no losses.
[Rodney Dangerfield voice]: "What does Temple have to do to get any respect around here?!"
Don't forget the nervous twitches and tie pull...
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RE: The only losers in realignment are
(04-22-2013 12:53 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(04-22-2013 12:23 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Methinks an ACC in which all 15 members have reportedly agreed to sign a GOR says the ACC is a winner. We will miss Maryland in much the same way the SEC misses GT.

And... Louisville is an upgrade.

Once again, it's not about whether a replacement is suitable or might even be an upgrade on-the-field/court. The ACC would have never, ever, ever, ever, ever *chosen* to trade Maryland for Louisville, just as the Big 12 would have never, ever, ever, ever, ever *chosen* to trade, say, Colorado for West Virginia or TCU regardless of how terrible CU has been lately in terms of competitiveness. Those conferences lost schools that no league in its right mind would ever want to lose. The fact that there were solid replacements for them was fortuitous, but it wasn't by choice, so yes, they lost *something* (population base, academic prestige, TV markets, etc.). The Big Ten, SEC and Pac-12 are the only ones to have outright gains without losing any assets.

I hope I didn't imply that the ACC would trade Louisville for Maryland. But, given the chess match that has been "Delaney vs. Swofford", I won't say Swofford didn't (arbitrarily or not) force a panic move by Delaney either... all depends on one's perception, t'is all.

Still, in any rate, the ACC fortuitously upgraded with Louisville.
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RE: The only losers in realignment are
(04-22-2013 12:54 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(04-22-2013 11:06 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  3) MAC -- no losses.

[Rodney Dangerfield voice]: "What does Temple have to do to get any respect around here?!"

Temple was just starting to be good, and they were replaced by UMass, which of course struggled in their first year, and we don't know how long before they will be good. So there is some loss there, but at least it was only 1 team that changed.
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RE: The only losers in realignment are
Winners:
1) TCU - nobody really wanted them and they're a tiny school with a small local fanbase
2) Utah - similar to TCU, but they're a much bigger school
3) Rutgers - horrible athletics but happens to be located in NYC, good academics
4) Notre Dame - remains independent but gets better bowls
5) Louisville - improving academically but not there just yet, great athletics and lots of history with several ACC schools

Losers:
1) UConn - great academics and basketball and great location
2) UConn - ditto
3) West Virginia - stuck in a conference with 1000 miles to travel every road game, no eastern partners for the foreseeable future
4) Cincinnati - decent academics and athletics, small fanbase that doesn't show up
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RE: The only losers in realignment are
(04-22-2013 01:03 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  West Virginia - stuck in a conference with 1000 miles to travel every road game, no eastern partners for the foreseeable future
I would have said it's because we lost all our rivals due to all the movement. I don't think the travel is going to end up as big an issue as you do. The B12 plans to address that with a change to the rules, and in future scheduling...
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RE: The only losers in realignment are
(04-22-2013 10:02 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The more the SBC can stay stable, the better they'll wind up for the future. The MAC has "won" by doing nothing and not being affected besides the Temple/UMass situation, but overall the key is that we haven't lost. Comparatively, we're making gains on the other non-AQ schools, which is fine enough by me.

Northern Illinois reaching the Orange Bowl was a nice touch for the MAC too 04-rock
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RE: The only losers in realignment are
(04-22-2013 01:03 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Winners:
1) TCU - nobody really wanted them and they're a tiny school with a small local fanbase

Not sure how you define "nobody really wanted them", but we went from a league where we we popular enough to be a geographic outlier in a Western league, invited to a league where we would have been a geographic outlier in an Eastern league, finally ending up in one of the top 4 or 5 conferences. Hard to argue that realignment-wise we are promiscuous, but it's hard to be both unpopular and promiscuous.
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RE: The only losers in realignment are
(04-22-2013 01:03 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Winners:
1) TCU - nobody really wanted them and they're a tiny school with a small local fanbase
2) Utah - similar to TCU, but they're a much bigger school
3) Rutgers - horrible athletics but happens to be located in NYC, good academics
4) Notre Dame - remains independent but gets better bowls
5) Louisville - improving academically but not there just yet, great athletics and lots of history with several ACC schools

Losers:
1) UConn - great academics and basketball and great location
2) UConn - ditto
3) West Virginia - stuck in a conference with 1000 miles to travel every road game, no eastern partners for the foreseeable future
4) Cincinnati - decent academics and athletics, small fanbase that doesn't show up

I'm sorry but Rutgers has been good in football. Yes UofL has had higher highs but they also had lower lows in the big east 2.0
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RE: The only losers in realignment are
In the grand scheme of things I think this is the beginning of the end of college sports, specifically college football, as we know it. My school was left out, so admittedly, I'm pissed. That being said, however, is that I used to catch games every night of the week. Now I'm to the point of saying f' it. Hardly watched any games outside of UC last year. Didn't watch the bowls. Didn't care to watch Game Day or any other shows. I just didn't care... went to the UC games and watched the away games on TV, that was it. I think that a lot of fans are hitting that point... sick of this crap.
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RE: The only losers in realignment are
(04-22-2013 02:08 PM)mlb Wrote:  In the grand scheme of things I think this is the beginning of the end of college sports, specifically college football, as we know it. My school was left out, so admittedly, I'm pissed. That being said, however, is that I used to catch games every night of the week. Now I'm to the point of saying f' it. Hardly watched any games outside of UC last year. Didn't watch the bowls. Didn't care to watch Game Day or any other shows. I just didn't care... went to the UC games and watched the away games on TV, that was it. I think that a lot of fans are hitting that point... sick of this crap.

I have to agree with you. Ive stopped watching a majority of games that are on & stick to just my Eagles. None of the bowls were that interesting the past few years & anything on espn is just garbage.
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(04-22-2013 09:21 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Butler is also a big winner. They could have been the next San Francisco Dons or Indiana State Sycamores. But they've turned their run into a spot in a top conference, and now they have a chance to keep the best coach in the country for his whole career.

Run?

I suppose if by run you mean like Pheidippides from Marathon to Athens.

Butler has averaged over 23 wins per year for 20 years and have played 26 NCAA Tournament games this century.
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Winners - Power 5
Losers - AAC & CUSA
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RE: The only losers in realignment are
(04-22-2013 01:03 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Winners:
1) TCU - nobody really wanted them and they're a tiny school with a small local fanbase 2) Utah - similar to TCU, but they're a much bigger school
3) Rutgers - horrible athletics but happens to be located in NYC, good academics
4) Notre Dame - remains independent but gets better bowls
5) Louisville - improving academically but not there just yet, great athletics and lots of history with several ACC schools

Losers:
1) UConn - great academics and basketball and great location
2) UConn - ditto
3) West Virginia - stuck in a conference with 1000 miles to travel every road game, no eastern partners for the foreseeable future And making a ton of money. Clearly not losers!!!
4) Cincinnati - decent academics and athletics, small fanbase that doesn't show up

FIFY
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(04-22-2013 03:51 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(04-22-2013 01:03 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Winners:
1) TCU - nobody really wanted them and they're a tiny school with a small local fanbase 2) Utah - similar to TCU, but they're a much bigger school
3) Rutgers - horrible athletics but happens to be located in NYC, good academics
4) Notre Dame - remains independent but gets better bowls
5) Louisville - improving academically but not there just yet, great athletics and lots of history with several ACC schools

Losers:
1) UConn - great academics and basketball and great location
2) UConn - ditto
3) West Virginia - stuck in a conference with 1000 miles to travel every road game, no eastern partners for the foreseeable future And making a ton of money. Clearly not losers!!!
4) Cincinnati - decent academics and athletics, small fanbase that doesn't show up

FIFY

Cards should have just said that UofL was the winner and everyone else was the loser of realignment. He pretty much poo pooed on everyone else. Hahaha
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RE: The only losers in realignment are
(04-22-2013 12:53 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(04-22-2013 12:23 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Methinks an ACC in which all 15 members have reportedly agreed to sign a GOR says the ACC is a winner. We will miss Maryland in much the same way the SEC misses GT.

And... Louisville is an upgrade.

Once again, it's not about whether a replacement is suitable or might even be an upgrade on-the-field/court. The ACC would have never, ever, ever, ever, ever *chosen* to trade Maryland for Louisville, just as the Big 12 would have never, ever, ever, ever, ever *chosen* to trade, say, Colorado for West Virginia or TCU regardless of how terrible CU has been lately in terms of competitiveness. Those conferences lost schools that no league in its right mind would ever want to lose. The fact that there were solid replacements for them was fortuitous, but it wasn't by choice, so yes, they lost *something* (population base, academic prestige, TV markets, etc.). The Big Ten, SEC and Pac-12 are the only ones to have outright gains without losing any assets.

You added Rutgers for TV sets only...not a real win in my book but if you're happy...glad for you.
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RE: The only losers in realignment are
(04-22-2013 02:02 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(04-22-2013 01:03 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Winners:
1) TCU - nobody really wanted them and they're a tiny school with a small local fanbase
2) Utah - similar to TCU, but they're a much bigger school
3) Rutgers - horrible athletics but happens to be located in NYC, good academics
4) Notre Dame - remains independent but gets better bowls
5) Louisville - improving academically but not there just yet, great athletics and lots of history with several ACC schools

Losers:
1) UConn - great academics and basketball and great location
2) UConn - ditto
3) West Virginia - stuck in a conference with 1000 miles to travel every road game, no eastern partners for the foreseeable future
4) Cincinnati - decent academics and athletics, small fanbase that doesn't show up

I'm sorry but Rutgers has been good in football. Yes UofL has had higher highs but they also had lower lows in the big east 2.0

Really...good in FB? You had a coach build up a resume of wins OOC that was pathetic...Rutgers never made a BCS Bowl game.
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