... multiple major fissures on display. The RNC is actively fighting against not just the libertarian wing, but the deeply conservative state level grassroots. The RNC's strategy is clear: we want greatly increased say in how you do everything at the state level and even beyond. Or, to state it more ironically ... the RNC is in favor of running their organization the way their last several Presidential candidates have favored running government: big centralized federal power calling all the shots. Or in other words ... exactly the opposite of their rhetoric and alleged beliefs.

Oh yea --- for bonus tard points --- they're talking about regional primaries.


http://m.politico.com/iphone/story/0413/90018.html

(04-13-2013 01:00 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  ... multiple major fissures on display. The RNC is actively fighting against not just the libertarian wing, but the deeply conservative state level grassroots. The RNC's strategy is clear: we want greatly increased say in how you do everything at the state level and even beyond. Or, to state it more ironically ... the RNC is in favor of running their organization the way their last several Presidential candidates have favored running government: big centralized federal power calling all the shots. Or in other words ... exactly the opposite of their rhetoric and alleged beliefs.

On yea --- for bonus tard points --- they're talking about regional primaries.


http://m.politico.com/iphone/story/0413/90018.html

They need to get back to a more moderate form of conservatism and less toward the tea party extremists. If they move more extreme, the party is dead.

(04-13-2013 01:25 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 01:00 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  ... multiple major fissures on display. The RNC is actively fighting against not just the libertarian wing, but the deeply conservative state level grassroots. The RNC's strategy is clear: we want greatly increased say in how you do everything at the state level and even beyond. Or, to state it more ironically ... the RNC is in favor of running their organization the way their last several Presidential candidates have favored running government: big centralized federal power calling all the shots. Or in other words ... exactly the opposite of their rhetoric and alleged beliefs.

On yea --- for bonus tard points --- they're talking about regional primaries.


http://m.politico.com/iphone/story/0413/90018.html

They need to get back to a more moderate form of conservatism and less toward the tea party extremists. If they move more extreme, the party is dead.

In what parallel universe are John McCain and Mitt Romney tea party extremists? They are to the left of some elected Democrats around here.

Republicans don't need to rebrand, they need to get back to their roots. Romney was the perfect opponent for Obama, Rich, White, and Christian. MOST of Obama and the democrat campaign was about how rich Romeny is. Throw in a obsolutely HORRIBLE campaign by Romney much like McCain no real attacks on Obama's record or lack there of and his affliation with extremists must Americans would find objectionable and you get an Obama victory.

(04-13-2013 09:32 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Republicans don't need to rebrand, they need to get back to their roots. Romney was the perfect opponent for Obama, Rich, White, and Christian. MOST of Obama and the democrat campaign was about how rich Romeny is. Throw in a obsolutely HORRIBLE campaign by Romney much like McCain no real attacks on Obama's record or lack there of and his affliation with extremists must Americans would find objectionable and you get an Obama victory.

One big point. This election was not a referendum on, and it's result was not an endorsement of, Obama's policies. Democrats want to claim that now, but it just didn't happen.

"What's my view on illegal immigration? Have I told you how rich Romney is? I mean, he's really, really rich."

(04-13-2013 09:24 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 01:25 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 01:00 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  ... multiple major fissures on display. The RNC is actively fighting against not just the libertarian wing, but the deeply conservative state level grassroots. The RNC's strategy is clear: we want greatly increased say in how you do everything at the state level and even beyond. Or, to state it more ironically ... the RNC is in favor of running their organization the way their last several Presidential candidates have favored running government: big centralized federal power calling all the shots. Or in other words ... exactly the opposite of their rhetoric and alleged beliefs.

On yea --- for bonus tard points --- they're talking about regional primaries.


http://m.politico.com/iphone/story/0413/90018.html

They need to get back to a more moderate form of conservatism and less toward the tea party extremists. If they move more extreme, the party is dead.

In what parallel universe are John McCain and Mitt Romney tea party extremists? They are to the left of some elected Democrats around here.

They aren't but they sure as heck moved that way in the campaign due to the tea party pressure.

(04-13-2013 09:43 PM)RobertN Wrote:  They aren't but they sure as heck moved that way in the campaign due to the tea party pressure.

Uh no. I know of literally ZERO local Tea Party people who were Romney or McCain fans. They may have begrudgingly voted for them in the general, but they detested them both and still do.

More gov't=better. Deal.

(04-13-2013 01:25 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 01:00 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  ... multiple major fissures on display. The RNC is actively fighting against not just the libertarian wing, but the deeply conservative state level grassroots. The RNC's strategy is clear: we want greatly increased say in how you do everything at the state level and even beyond. Or, to state it more ironically ... the RNC is in favor of running their organization the way their last several Presidential candidates have favored running government: big centralized federal power calling all the shots. Or in other words ... exactly the opposite of their rhetoric and alleged beliefs.
On yea --- for bonus tard points --- they're talking about regional primaries.
http://m.politico.com/iphone/story/0413/90018.html

They need to get back to a more moderate form of conservatism and less toward the tea party extremists. If they move more extreme, the party is dead.

Actually, the need to more toward fiscal conservatism and away from social conservatism. It's not the TEA Party but the neocons who are killing the republicans.

The good news on social issues is that the democrats' positions are so extreme that there is a lot of room to be more conservative than democrats without having to go to the extremes that the social conservatives do. Basically we have two parties who each take extreme positions where maybe 20% of the electorate, max, supports each extreme and 60% of the voters are in the middle. Go where the votes are if you want to win.

The problem with fiscal conservatism for the republicans is that their leadership has been in Washington so long that they don't know what it is either.

Balance the budget, reform health and welfare to provide a safety net and a hand up instead of a hand out, cut military cost while increasing military strength by transferring regular troops to reserves just like Israel, Sweden, and Switzerland do (and we did for the first 175 years or so), stop micromanaging the world (and bring home our troops), make the USA the best country in the world in which to do business again--those are things that American voters can buy into.

And find someone who can explain to women, African-Americans, and Hispanics why they are better off under that approach. They are, but nobody seems to know how to deliver the message.

You cannot win an election by punting half the electorate.

(04-14-2013 06:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  And find someone who can explain to women, African-Americans, and Hispanics why they are better off under that approach. They are, but nobody seems to know how to deliver the message.

You cannot win an election by punting half the electorate.

CLASSIC ! ! !

(04-14-2013 06:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 01:25 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 01:00 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  ... multiple major fissures on display. The RNC is actively fighting against not just the libertarian wing, but the deeply conservative state level grassroots. The RNC's strategy is clear: we want greatly increased say in how you do everything at the state level and even beyond. Or, to state it more ironically ... the RNC is in favor of running their organization the way their last several Presidential candidates have favored running government: big centralized federal power calling all the shots. Or in other words ... exactly the opposite of their rhetoric and alleged beliefs.
On yea --- for bonus tard points --- they're talking about regional primaries.
http://m.politico.com/iphone/story/0413/90018.html

They need to get back to a more moderate form of conservatism and less toward the tea party extremists. If they move more extreme, the party is dead.

Actually, the need to more toward fiscal conservatism and away from social conservatism. It's not the TEA Party but the neocons who are killing the republicans.

The good news on social issues is that the democrats' positions are so extreme that there is a lot of room to be more conservative than democrats without having to go to the extremes that the social conservatives do. Basically we have two parties who each take extreme positions where maybe 20% of the electorate, max, supports each extreme and 60% of the voters are in the middle. Go where the votes are if you want to win.

The problem with fiscal conservatism for the republicans is that their leadership has been in Washington so long that they don't know what it is either.

Balance the budget, reform health and welfare to provide a safety net and a hand up instead of a hand out, cut military cost while increasing military strength by transferring regular troops to reserves just like Israel, Sweden, and Switzerland do (and we did for the first 175 years or so), stop micromanaging the world (and bring home our troops), make the USA the best country in the world in which to do business again--those are things that American voters can buy into.

And find someone who can explain to women, African-Americans, and Hispanics why they are better off under that approach. They are, but nobody seems to know how to deliver the message.

You cannot win an election by punting half the electorate.

I really hope the Republicon party keep going down that. track.

(04-13-2013 09:57 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 09:43 PM)RobertN Wrote:  They aren't but they sure as heck moved that way in the campaign due to the tea party pressure.

Uh no. I know of literally ZERO local Tea Party people who were Romney or McCain fans. They may have begrudgingly voted for them in the general, but they detested them both and still do.

Robert creates his own little world in his head which has zero basis in reality, then uses it to base his positions and thus to "verify" his beliefs. Normally we call this a strawman argument. Though that's a debate technique. When its as deeply ingrained in the subconscious as robert, we call it something else and usually employ the help of a guy with a white coat.