(09-01-2016 11:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 08:09 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  EMU will be saved by geography. Either they drop football altogether, or they stay FBS. There is no FCS conference that will save EMU money.

The NMSU scenario.

New Mexico State is so far away from Big Sky and Southland schools that FCS isn't viable.

I can't see any way FCS works for EMU unless it is non-scholie football.

In the hypothetical scenario that EMU drops to FCS in football, the MAC could take a MVC team ... Wichita State, Northern Iowa or Illinois State being the most likely. That would free up a spot in the MVC for EMU (Youngstown State is in the league for football, so not like EMU would be completely out on an island like Idaho or New Mexico State).

Actually, since we are talking about crazy scenarios. How about giving Northern Illinois the boot, since gauging the fans who post on these sites, they seem to already think they are in the AAC. Then, replacing them with Wichita State.

After that, we trade EMU and Kent State for Northern Iowa and Illinois State.

The "new" MAC:

East: Buffalo, Akron, Ohio, Miami, Toledo, Bowling Green
West: Central Michigan, Western Michigan, Ball State, Illinois State, Wichita State, Northern Iowa

Football, the power then shifts to the East, but the MAC rids itself of some duplication in Ohio and Michigan, and still retains a presence in Illinois.

In basketball, the West moves to the top with the MVC additions. But the East would still have its "Big 3" in Akron, Ohio and Buffalo. Plus, Toledo seems to be on the upswing and maybe Miami gets its **** back together. To me, that is easily a 2-3 bid league. ... And maybe strong enough to land some sort of national TV deal that sees a payment. That would make up for losing NIU in football.

And in football, I doubt losing NIU (especially if the league retains a presence in Illinois), would affect the TV deal. In fact, ESPN would probably like getting rid of the duplication in Cleveland and getting rid of a third team in Michigan, and replacing them with schools who, despite smaller populations, at least get the league into new areas.

For the MVC, getting Kent State (which has announced it is going to focus on basketball) and EMU (another school that has basketball potential ... and according to a couple of fans on here, should be coming up in the top 70 overall on this 144 countdown we've been tracking) isn't a horrible consolation, especially since it would get them into the talent-rich basketball markets of Cleveland/Akron/Canton and Detroit. If they can add another solid basketball school to replace the loss of Wichita State, it obviously won't be what it is now, but it still could patch together a 10-team league that would be at least on par with the current MAC.

More I think about it, it's not that far-fetched... OK, the MAC won't boot NIU, but NIU (going off of fan sentiment) seems to already think they are in the AAC.

I doubt Kent or EMU would voluntarily drop to FCS to join this version of the MVC. But if spots in the A10 open up, which realistically could happen, I think both schools would be foolish not to consider dropping to FCS to get basketball in that league. UMass (for whatever reason ... personally don't see the allure of a dogshit football program and a school that is 90 something miles from Boston being all that attractive) seems to be a popular choice for the AAC. Dayton, eventually, will land in the Big East for basketball.

If two spots open up, I think Kent would be in for sure. EMU would also have a good shot (unless they take Detroit Mercy instead). I think getting into the Detroit market would be high on the priority list of a Eastern-based, basketball-focused league.

Whatever, this is all crazy hypotheticals, but lets say the MAC is looking to add schools (for whatever reason). After thinking about it, I'm all in favor of going west, and raiding the MVC, in that scenario.

I know Buffalo fans won't like to hear that, but going west brings Toledo to the East. Culturally, Toledo and Buffalo are pretty much mirror images. Hell, just look at the industrial cities that dot southern Lake Erie about every 30 or so miles (big and small) ... Toledo/Sandusky/Lorain/Cleveland/Painesville/Ashtabula/Erie/Dunkirk/Buffalo ... pretty much all the same culture, and all are more similar to Buffalo than East Coast/Mid-Atlantic cities like Norfolk (ODU) or even Stony Brook (despite it being in the same state and in the same university system). Buffalo would be in the same division with three of those Lake Erie schools ... Toledo/Bowling Green/Akron .. with Ohio and Miami (two schools already in the same divisions) as the cultural outliers. And while Miami is definitely a cultural outlier, it is Buffalo's MAC peer as far as academics. .. and OU isn't a slouch, either.

(09-01-2016 03:00 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 08:37 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  The reality is that every MAC school and almost all of the NCAA subsidizes athletics. EMU gets to be the focal point but we are all in the same boat. It's a subject that goes way beyond EMU.

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EMU is the focal point because they are on the far end of the spectrum. NIU may subsidize like many other schools, but our football program like some in exchange has brought loads of positive recognition to the university, and keeps many successful alumni interested and involved in the institution. Real-life benefits from those subsidies EMU is not enjoying from their football expenditures and potentially never will.

Never would a word people would use to describe the NIU football and men's basketball teams at one point in time my slightly arrogant friend. EMU does get publicity from being FBS and the in the MAC for ALL sports. And its easy to forget NO ONE HAS WON MORE MAC CHAMPIONSHIPS in ALL SPORTS than EMU. People around the country and in the MAC tend to forget EMU's excellence in all sports because they focus on football. Just like they tend to forget that EMU's football team under Creighton has had the top MAC football team in academics for the past two years. Do things need to improve for EMU football yes indeed. But this year marks 125 years of football at EMU and if I have my way it will be there for a long time more.

(09-01-2016 02:31 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear george14,
You obviously do not understand. If there was period when any team wins a championship, they were good. The Detroit Lions won the championship of the NFL in 1957. So, according to your definition they were never good. Eastern dominated small college football in the twenties and thirties in the State of Michigan, but again, they were never any good.
Like I said in my earlier post your ignorance is showing, and you don't know what you are talking about.

That is exactly why I said read between the lines. And you are comparing winning the MAC to winning the NFL Championship. A bit of a stretch. You must be in the glory years.

Dear george14,
I should not have to read between the lines, but to use your terminology, you should be able to read between the lines using the Lions as an example. As far as glory years goes, isn't that what shows that your team was good?

(09-02-2016 12:27 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear george14,
I should not have to read between the lines, but to use your terminology, you should be able to read between the lines using the Lions as an example. As far as glory years goes, isn't that what shows that your team was good?

In 1957? Or the 20s and 30s? Sure Ken. You can have that.

My overall point is EMU is an embarrassment to the MAC and FBS as a whole. I have a friend who played there and many who went there. There is no fanbase, they don't win, and they don't show any signs of improving either.

Good day.

Quote:If there was period when any team wins a championship, they were good.

Saying a team won a MAC Championship 25+ years ago is hardly a leg to stand on. EMU's been absolutely horrible in modern times. More than enough time to put having a football team in question, and there'd be more pepsi cans complaining than people. :)

If the University's consistently losing money on their football team with no hope in sight -- yeah, they should ditch it.

IMO, when it comes to expenditures, not all expenditures are coming out of the college's budget. Many times donors/alumni put up money for a lot of things, so sometimes the critique is exaggerated. So IMO, when it all boils down to it -- if your college is consistently losing money and not winning games, ya gotta stop the bleeding. Which, for some places, would mean cutting the football team.

I think it's time to move on. This thread has become another in a long line of EMU bashing. I am moving it to the smack board if people want to continue it there, have at it.

I saw a brief segment on ESPN regarding the college sports subsidy issue just today. Not naming EMU but they did speak with the AD of La.-Lafayette, which has spent a lot on facility upgrades recently. And they also had an economics professor who said the situation is going to continue to get worse until the states put an end to it.

(09-02-2016 01:54 PM)george14 Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 12:27 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear george14,
I should not have to read between the lines, but to use your terminology, you should be able to read between the lines using the Lions as an example. As far as glory years goes, isn't that what shows that your team was good?

In 1957? Or the 20s and 30s? Sure Ken. You can have that.

My overall point is EMU is an embarrassment to the MAC and FBS as a whole. I have a friend who played there and many who went there. There is no fanbase, they don't win, and they don't show any signs of improving either.

Good day.

I'm glad I remember these posts so I can tell the naysayers to **** our ***. Sorry but it needed to be said. My apologies to the mods.

(11-27-2016 02:31 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:54 PM)george14 Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 12:27 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear george14,
I should not have to read between the lines, but to use your terminology, you should be able to read between the lines using the Lions as an example. As far as glory years goes, isn't that what shows that your team was good?

In 1957? Or the 20s and 30s? Sure Ken. You can have that.

My overall point is EMU is an embarrassment to the MAC and FBS as a whole. I have a friend who played there and many who went there. There is no fanbase, they don't win, and they don't show any signs of improving either.

Good day.

I'm glad I remember these posts so I can tell the naysayers to **** our ***. Sorry but it needed to be said. My apologies to the mods.

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(11-27-2016 02:37 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 02:31 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 01:54 PM)george14 Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 12:27 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear george14,
I should not have to read between the lines, but to use your terminology, you should be able to read between the lines using the Lions as an example. As far as glory years goes, isn't that what shows that your team was good?

In 1957? Or the 20s and 30s? Sure Ken. You can have that.

My overall point is EMU is an embarrassment to the MAC and FBS as a whole. I have a friend who played there and many who went there. There is no fanbase, they don't win, and they don't show any signs of improving either.

Good day.

I'm glad I remember these posts so I can tell the naysayers to **** our ***. Sorry but it needed to be said. My apologies to the mods.

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