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RE: CUSA weighing 16-team model
(04-10-2013 05:26 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-10-2013 05:06 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  So in other words, its not going to happen. There are at least 4 FCS schools that would accept invites right now to the SBC and match our timeline by filing before the end of May.
The big conferences are not going to schedule their realignment games for the convenience of the Sunbelt.

Quote: And if that doomsday scenario played out (4 teams leave) something like that would have "waiver" written all over it. We are on the same time table as ODU even though they filed for reclassification last year.
The filing deadline is 1 June, to complete reclassification 1 August two years in the future.
Quote:I don't know whether there is any public notice requirement, but I doubt it since an invite is required to start the transition period and it seems like App. State and Georgia Southern notified the NCAA before the Sunbelt made the invitation public.
If there's no public notice requirement we'd have to see the paperwork or else someone reporting on the boring bureaucratic details to know who filed when. The loss of access to the FCS championship is on notification, which for various reasons could be well in advance of the 1 June deadline.

As far as waivers ~ I don't know, maybe they would. I know some of the tangle championship AQ bylaws stipulate no-waiver, but I've never looked closely enough at this particular tangle of bylaws to know for sure.

I didn't follow you on the "big conferences" comment. I certainly know that the Big 4-5 will do what they please (until the NCAA decides to step in... not likely), but there are also no rules that say the Sunbelt can't continue to recruit teams to survive.

Your assumption was 100% correct by the way on what AppState did... they were filing paperwork at least 30 days prior to the public announcement.

The NCAA does not want to see conferences fold and have a history of granting waivers where appropriate. They also have a track record of not enforcing their own rules... the attendance guideline is one that sticks out in my mind. I would love to advocate for the SBC should the NCAA suddenly decide that it could not add anymore teams and must simply wither on the vine.
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RE: CUSA weighing 16-team model
(04-10-2013 05:51 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  
(04-10-2013 09:52 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-10-2013 09:40 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  So the goal is to sabotage the SunBelt?
No, if the Sunbelt is taken out of the FBS in this way, its collateral damage resulting from a shift in commercial incentives which presently favor 12 school conferences.

I don't believe that there has been any such shift across the board. The American has not signaled any interest in going above 12, unless the service academies are available, and the MAC has not given the signal of being in any particular hurry to get to 14, which would go along with a fixed plan of going to 16. And the Mountain West has not given any indication of any interest in expansion after their reload to 10 from a raid that didn't actually happen left them at 12.

Rather, Conference USA is a special case, since they are on the margin between being a single-bid and multi-bid NCAA tourney conference and have unbalanced regional distribution in their two divisions which might allow a reduction in average travel expenses from more regionally compact divisions.

This is exactly what they're trying to do. The idea is to get the divisions as large, but as compact as possible. It will cut down on travel costs and foster rivalries.

Based on what I have seen the are talking about doing it, not trying to do it.
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(04-09-2013 06:39 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  So what if both of them have larger schools in their State that draw more fans? Once again, this is CUSA. For that matter so does Missouri State and I bet UL has more of a following in Louisiana than Missouri State does in Missouri.

Interesting...

But the positive for MSU is that currently, the state with over 9 million residents, only has ONE FBS school.



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RE: CUSA weighing 16-team model
(04-10-2013 09:11 PM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 06:39 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  So what if both of them have larger schools in their State that draw more fans? Once again, this is CUSA. For that matter so does Missouri State and I bet UL has more of a following in Louisiana than Missouri State does in Missouri.

Interesting...

But the positive for MSU is that currently, the state with over 9 million residents, only has ONE FBS school.



WE ARE. MO STATE

more like 6 million and while MO State football doesn't have a huge pull in KC or STL(the basketball team has a good size following in both cities) they can still pull 14-16k crowds every year and could easily pull in crowds in the 30k range if they were FBS with a winning record. As an overall sports program, MO State has a larger following. The lady bears basketball team has been to 2 final fours and can pull 8000 when they are doing good, the mens basketball team pulls 11k on big games, the baseball team had over 2,000 at the home game just yesterday is is the biggest baseball program in the state and has produced many MLB players including Ryan Howard.
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