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RE: CUSA weighing 16-team model
Maybe they could go for the 4 state strike of Missouri State, Arkansas State, Georgia state and New Mexico state. Texas state could also work if NM state is just too far west. All they could bring them all in and jump to 20 with another add.
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RE: CUSA weighing 16-team model
East
ODU
Charlotte
FAU
FIU
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
UAB

West
Southern Miss
Ark St
ULL
La Tech
UNT
UTSA
Rice
UTEP

Those are pretty good geographic divisions...don't see any way USM goes East with WKU, MTSU and UAB on a line...

CUSA appears to be trying to kill the Belt before it all really gets started in the nBCS. They have a TV contract in hand and even though the per team media rights revenue may go down, they can outweigh that with the nBCS revenue and keep the Belt out of the marketplace...some of those FCS moveups joining the Belt maybe should start re-thinking their positions.
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That West looks a lot stronger than the East.
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RE: CUSA weighing 16-team model
“We've modeled it at 16, and it does kind of create some divisions that are a little more geographically connected,” Banowsky said. “We haven't acted on it. I think personally a larger conference is better because you get some efficiencies, you get the benefit of a bigger group. We don't want to lose our identity in the process. We're just kind of moderating the growth at a pace where people are comfortable. It could be folks are just comfortable (at 14).”

Well here's the news: C-USA never had an identity. Does not matter if it's 1.0, 2.0 or 3.0.....C-USA has always been a league of misfit schools that always saw the conference as a temporary home until something better came along. Say all you want about the MWC and MAC but those two leagues have an identity. C-USA does not and never will.
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(04-08-2013 01:30 PM)bluesox Wrote:  If they want two in the west, Arkansas state and Missouri state could work if missouri state was willing to jump and they might for CUSA. I don't see the need for 2 teams in Louisiana though at 16 members. Of course, cusa really could break into 2 leagues or jump to 18-20 with little cross over between the sides.

That would be about the dream scenario for Missouri State and I could actually see it happening. If that was our conference, the money would be there to move our stadium plans along faster than the original plan.

Would love to see a western CUSA division of:
Arkansas State
Missouri State
UTEP
UTSA
North Texas
Rice
LA Tech
Southern Miss
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RE: CUSA weighing 16-team model
Take UTEP for example. It has nothing in common with the vast majority of schools in C-USA. The only school left we have history with is Rice but it's been since 1996. UAB, Marshall and Southern Miss since 2005 which is just 8 years.

UTEP's history is with the MWC schools. It's in the Mountain Time zone and like most MWC schools, it's the only game in town. That's where we belong but the MWC won't expand anytime soon unless BYU goes back which is very unlikely. But it is what it is and we better make the best of it while in C-USA. 04-cheers
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Can CUSA just add 10 more and finish off the Sun Belt.

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(04-08-2013 03:13 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Can CUSA just add 10 more and finish off the Sun Belt.

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If CUSA goes to 16, the 8 teams in each division will realize after a few years that they are better having their own conference (Especially the west division) and each will add from the Sunbelt and finish it off.
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(04-08-2013 02:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Take UTEP for example. It has nothing in common with the vast majority of schools in C-USA. The only school left we have history with is Rice but it's been since 1996. UAB, Marshall and Southern Miss since 2005 which is just 8 years.

UTEP's history is with the MWC schools. It's in the Mountain Time zone and like most MWC schools, it's the only game in town. That's where we belong but the MWC won't expand anytime soon unless BYU goes back which is very unlikely. But it is what it is and we better make the best of it while in C-USA. 04-cheers

What UTEP needs is a 14th or 14th, 15th, 16th school that makes sense for MWC.

Guy I talked to today who is very dialed in nationally says UTEP would be in MWC if there were a 14th school the MWC can agree on.
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(04-08-2013 02:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Take UTEP for example. It has nothing in common with the vast majority of schools in C-USA. The only school left we have history with is Rice but it's been since 1996. UAB, Marshall and Southern Miss since 2005 which is just 8 years.

UTEP's history is with the MWC schools. It's in the Mountain Time zone and like most MWC schools, it's the only game in town. That's where we belong but the MWC won't expand anytime soon unless BYU goes back which is very unlikely. But it is what it is and we better make the best of it while in C-USA. 04-cheers

Not sure the MWC wants to add anymore given its TV deal, but if they do the Miners should try every avenue to jump onto the MWC band wagon.
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(04-08-2013 12:27 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  It means UL and stAte want in, so Banowsky is talking to the tv guys. I would love for UAB to stay in the east

UAB east makes sense. UAB, Charlotte, and Old Dominion could create a nice basketball rivalry.
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(04-08-2013 02:53 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  “We've modeled it at 16, and it does kind of create some divisions that are a little more geographically connected,” Banowsky said. “We haven't acted on it. I think personally a larger conference is better because you get some efficiencies, you get the benefit of a bigger group. We don't want to lose our identity in the process. We're just kind of moderating the growth at a pace where people are comfortable. It could be folks are just comfortable (at 14).”

Well here's the news: C-USA never had an identity. Does not matter if it's 1.0, 2.0 or 3.0.....C-USA has always been a league of misfit schools that always saw the conference as a temporary home until something better came along. Say all you want about the MWC and MAC but those two leagues have an identity. C-USA does not and never will.

The identity of CUSA was defined in CUSA 2.0 as a "Southern Based Football League". What this says to me is you probably won't see a school like New Mexico State be selected.

I suppose when they mean try to put together divisions that are more connected it could be as simple as placing 1 school in each division. Georgia State in the East and Arkansas State in the West.

Georgia State is usually overlooked in the process as just another FCS upgrade but they'll be fully transitioned for 2015 or whatever date CUSA decides to go to 16. That is a lot easier to deal with than trying to transition another FCS upgrade in the East.

CUSA East: ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, WKU, MTSU, UAB, Georgia St, FAU
CUSA West: UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice, La Tech, Arkansas St, USM, FIU

Georgia State and Arkansas State are good for maintaining a southern identity to both divisions. The problem when you throw a school like James Madison in there with a Northeast sounding name its hard to retain a southern feel in CUSA.
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(04-08-2013 03:26 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  What UTEP needs is a 14th or 14th, 15th, 16th school that makes sense for MWC.

Guy I talked to today who is very dialed in nationally says UTEP would be in MWC if there were a 14th school the MWC can agree on.

Obviously NMSU isn't that school, nor is Idaho.
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(04-08-2013 03:23 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 03:13 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Can CUSA just add 10 more and finish off the Sun Belt.

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If CUSA goes to 16, the 8 teams in each division will realize after a few years that they are better having their own conference (Especially the west division) and each will add from the Sunbelt and finish it off.

I'm not sure about that because one of the strengths of CUSA from a TV standpoint over the MAC is a mix of both Eastern and Central Timezones.

What you are seeing is CUSA's footprint gradually looking more and more like the Sun Belt. The SBC stretches from Moscow, ID to Boone, NC. CUSA stretches from Norfolk, VA to El Paso, TX.

After Arkansas State, Louisiana and Georgia State the next move for CUSA is going to probably be New Mexico State. How will it be before CUSA is considering Montana schools?

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(04-08-2013 03:40 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 02:53 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  “We've modeled it at 16, and it does kind of create some divisions that are a little more geographically connected,” Banowsky said. “We haven't acted on it. I think personally a larger conference is better because you get some efficiencies, you get the benefit of a bigger group. We don't want to lose our identity in the process. We're just kind of moderating the growth at a pace where people are comfortable. It could be folks are just comfortable (at 14).”

Well here's the news: C-USA never had an identity. Does not matter if it's 1.0, 2.0 or 3.0.....C-USA has always been a league of misfit schools that always saw the conference as a temporary home until something better came along. Say all you want about the MWC and MAC but those two leagues have an identity. C-USA does not and never will.

The identity of CUSA was defined in CUSA 2.0 as a "Southern Based Football League". What this says to me is you probably won't see a school like New Mexico State be selected.

I suppose when they mean try to put together divisions that are more connected it could be as simple as placing 1 school in each division. Georgia State in the East and Arkansas State in the West.

Georgia State is usually overlooked in the process as just another FCS upgrade but they'll be fully transitioned for 2015 or whatever date CUSA decides to go to 16. That is a lot easier to deal with than trying to transition another FCS upgrade in the East.

CUSA East: ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, WKU, MTSU, UAB, Georgia St, FAU
CUSA West: UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice, La Tech, Arkansas St, USM, FIU

Georgia State and Arkansas State are good for maintaining a southern identity to both divisions. The problem when you throw a school like James Madison in there with a Northeast sounding name its hard to retain a southern feel in CUSA.

Georgia State would be a mistake, IMHO. They are as likely to end up like EMU with zero fan support or dropping football altogether as they are to get to 20K actual attendance.
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(04-08-2013 03:26 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 02:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Take UTEP for example. It has nothing in common with the vast majority of schools in C-USA. The only school left we have history with is Rice but it's been since 1996. UAB, Marshall and Southern Miss since 2005 which is just 8 years.

UTEP's history is with the MWC schools. It's in the Mountain Time zone and like most MWC schools, it's the only game in town. That's where we belong but the MWC won't expand anytime soon unless BYU goes back which is very unlikely. But it is what it is and we better make the best of it while in C-USA. 04-cheers

What UTEP needs is a 14th or 14th, 15th, 16th school that makes sense for MWC.

Guy I talked to today who is very dialed in nationally says UTEP would be in MWC if there were a 14th school the MWC can agree on.

Would the MWC be willing to take another Texas school (UTSA/UNT/TXST) to get to 14?
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(04-08-2013 03:58 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Would the MWC be willing to take another Texas school (UTSA/UNT/TXST) to get to 14?

Lynn Hickey has said UTSA wants to be in CUSA (and UTSA turned down the MWC).
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(04-08-2013 03:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 03:40 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 02:53 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  “We've modeled it at 16, and it does kind of create some divisions that are a little more geographically connected,” Banowsky said. “We haven't acted on it. I think personally a larger conference is better because you get some efficiencies, you get the benefit of a bigger group. We don't want to lose our identity in the process. We're just kind of moderating the growth at a pace where people are comfortable. It could be folks are just comfortable (at 14).”

Well here's the news: C-USA never had an identity. Does not matter if it's 1.0, 2.0 or 3.0.....C-USA has always been a league of misfit schools that always saw the conference as a temporary home until something better came along. Say all you want about the MWC and MAC but those two leagues have an identity. C-USA does not and never will.

The identity of CUSA was defined in CUSA 2.0 as a "Southern Based Football League". What this says to me is you probably won't see a school like New Mexico State be selected.

I suppose when they mean try to put together divisions that are more connected it could be as simple as placing 1 school in each division. Georgia State in the East and Arkansas State in the West.

Georgia State is usually overlooked in the process as just another FCS upgrade but they'll be fully transitioned for 2015 or whatever date CUSA decides to go to 16. That is a lot easier to deal with than trying to transition another FCS upgrade in the East.

CUSA East: ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, WKU, MTSU, UAB, Georgia St, FAU
CUSA West: UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice, La Tech, Arkansas St, USM, FIU

Georgia State and Arkansas State are good for maintaining a southern identity to both divisions. The problem when you throw a school like James Madison in there with a Northeast sounding name its hard to retain a southern feel in CUSA.

Georgia State would be a mistake, IMHO. They are as likely to end up like EMU with zero fan support or dropping football altogether as they are to get to 20K actual attendance.

This probably right at least for now.

What I am seeing with some of these additions.....

1) Arkansas State: Brings CUSA into the Little Rock and Memphis markets. Recent strong football performance in the SBC that will count toward bowl certification numbers.

2) Louisiana: Nice travel school for CUSA West. Plans to expand football stadium to 45,000 seats. Additionally it helps CUSA retain the New Orleans Bowl which they need to do since Tulane is now in the AAC.

One interesting thing is that once you commit to having WKU, MTSU and UAB stay together in CUSA East from there on out if schools leave in the West they have very limited back fill options. Texas State of course but then after that the pickings get slim.
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(04-08-2013 03:26 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 02:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Take UTEP for example. It has nothing in common with the vast majority of schools in C-USA. The only school left we have history with is Rice but it's been since 1996. UAB, Marshall and Southern Miss since 2005 which is just 8 years.

UTEP's history is with the MWC schools. It's in the Mountain Time zone and like most MWC schools, it's the only game in town. That's where we belong but the MWC won't expand anytime soon unless BYU goes back which is very unlikely. But it is what it is and we better make the best of it while in C-USA. 04-cheers

What UTEP needs is a 14th or 14th, 15th, 16th school that makes sense for MWC.

Guy I talked to today who is very dialed in nationally says UTEP would be in MWC if there were a 14th school the MWC can agree on.

If the MWC is serious about UTEP, then maybe Banowsky thinks UTEP and one other school (Rice or UTSA?) are gone eventually, and he just wants to reload before that happens.
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(04-08-2013 04:14 PM)jarmzet Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 03:58 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Would the MWC be willing to take another Texas school (UTSA/UNT/TXST) to get to 14?

Lynn Hickey has said UTSA wants to be in CUSA (and UTSA turned down the MWC).

Right but Texas State would go to the MWC in a heartbeat over the SBC.
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