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RE: FCS is dying. When will the Montana schools decide enough is enough and go FBS?
(04-08-2013 04:02 PM)billings Wrote:  
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(04-08-2013 12:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think Alvarez was just speaking for his school. I think he said Big Ten not playing FCS schools.

Would be very interested to see if they reinsert the rule about having 1 FCS win every 4 years count towards bowl eligibility. That would end the FCS games to a large degree.

Quote:FARGO – Upon further review, North Dakota State athletic director Gene Taylor said talk of the Big Ten Conference banning its schools from playing Football Championship Subdivision programs is just that. Talk.
“It’s just a discussion point,” Taylor said. “Hold on to your hats. It’s not time to panic.”

Taylor’s comments were in response to those made by University of Wisconsin athletic director Barry Alvarez, who told a Madison, Wis., radio station that Big Ten officials agreed to stop playing FCS opponents, a division that includes North Dakota State and the University of North Dakota.

Taylor said he got his information from another Big Ten athletic director on Wednesday, who told him some schools in the power conference don’t want to give up the FCS game.

“One of (the ADs) said we’re not all in the upper echelon of the Big Ten,” Taylor said. “We need those guys. Our coaches would hang us if we played only non-FCS teams.”

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Big money TV will not tolerate FCS games for much longer and pay top dollar. MWC and AAC are being encouraged to upgrade their OOC games to make them more attractive for TV. FCS games against the top teams will be occurring at a much lower rate shortly. With the PAC and the BIG at 9 game seasons and a strength of schedule component being added to who makes the playoff games it is only a matter of time. FCS is living off the FBS dime and that can't last.

Well until FBS stops scheduling FCS Cal Poly will just have to go on beating Wyoming and Sac St will have to go on beating Colorado and Oregon State. I really don't see any evidence that there is a rush to stop scheduling FCS teams. Everybody in the MWC plays BSC teams pretty much. Poly has scheduled Fresno State, San Diego State, and Wyoming the past three years.

And as for FCS living on FBS' dime that's the same argument the AQ's make about the Go5, Comeon Billings, listen to yourself.
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RE: FCS is dying. When will the Montana schools decide enough is enough and go FBS?
(04-08-2013 09:31 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 04:02 PM)billings Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 12:41 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 12:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think Alvarez was just speaking for his school. I think he said Big Ten not playing FCS schools.

Would be very interested to see if they reinsert the rule about having 1 FCS win every 4 years count towards bowl eligibility. That would end the FCS games to a large degree.

Quote:FARGO – Upon further review, North Dakota State athletic director Gene Taylor said talk of the Big Ten Conference banning its schools from playing Football Championship Subdivision programs is just that. Talk.
“It’s just a discussion point,” Taylor said. “Hold on to your hats. It’s not time to panic.”

Taylor’s comments were in response to those made by University of Wisconsin athletic director Barry Alvarez, who told a Madison, Wis., radio station that Big Ten officials agreed to stop playing FCS opponents, a division that includes North Dakota State and the University of North Dakota.

Taylor said he got his information from another Big Ten athletic director on Wednesday, who told him some schools in the power conference don’t want to give up the FCS game.

“One of (the ADs) said we’re not all in the upper echelon of the Big Ten,” Taylor said. “We need those guys. Our coaches would hang us if we played only non-FCS teams.”

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Big money TV will not tolerate FCS games for much longer and pay top dollar. MWC and AAC are being encouraged to upgrade their OOC games to make them more attractive for TV. FCS games against the top teams will be occurring at a much lower rate shortly. With the PAC and the BIG at 9 game seasons and a strength of schedule component being added to who makes the playoff games it is only a matter of time. FCS is living off the FBS dime and that can't last.

Well until FBS stops scheduling FCS Cal Poly will just have to go on beating Wyoming and Sac St will have to go on beating Colorado and Oregon State. I really don't see any evidence that there is a rush to stop scheduling FCS teams. Everybody in the MWC plays BSC teams pretty much. Poly has scheduled Fresno State, San Diego State, and Wyoming the past three years.

And as for FCS living on FBS' dime that's the same argument the AQ's make about the Go5, Comeon Billings, listen to yourself.

and both are true. YOu think we get 1.5 million playoff money each team without the AQ? I mean the FCS playoffs barely break even or many years lose money.

FCS will lose paydays. matter of time
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RE: FCS is dying. When will the Montana schools decide enough is enough and go FBS?
(04-08-2013 09:23 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  The BCS conferences are struggling to maintain their air of superiority while some of their lesser teams fall to some of the better FCS teams (JAX State defeated MS State in Starkville). The money is still on their side however as shown ina national research study in 2010 (the latest year for complete figures). I put the research results on Blazertalk.com in the Bar & Grill Forum, if you care to look.

In 2010, the MEDIAN SEC school spent $163,931 per athlete for #1 rank in the BCS, and the lowest in the BCS was the Big East's median school at only $102,020 per athlete.

In spending for the regular students, there was only about $9,000 per pupil difference between #1 the Big 10 and the lowest D1 conference median school while in spending for athletes the difference between just #1 -SEC and #2 - Big 12 was over $36,000.

No they didn't. They beat Mississippi in Oxford. Maine beat Mississippi State way back in 2004.
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RE: FCS is dying. When will the Montana schools decide enough is enough and go FBS?
FCS games are the one thing I really cannot stand about the coach Sark era here at Washington. When we needed a puching bag game it was always a MAC or Big West later WAC school visiting. But now we get Portland State or Eastern Washington. Frankly I would rather we played Idaho, NMSU, any of the MAC or Belt schools, the new move ups. I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate that we are playing FCS schools now.

As for the Big Sky moving up en masse, does the 'WAC' retain the ability to upgrade schools for any amount of time? If say 5 years from now they had 6 schools ready to move together could they reinstate FBS football and move those 6 up?
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RE: FCS is dying. When will the Montana schools decide enough is enough and go FBS?
(04-08-2013 09:31 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 04:02 PM)billings Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 12:41 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 12:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think Alvarez was just speaking for his school. I think he said Big Ten not playing FCS schools.

Would be very interested to see if they reinsert the rule about having 1 FCS win every 4 years count towards bowl eligibility. That would end the FCS games to a large degree.

Quote:FARGO – Upon further review, North Dakota State athletic director Gene Taylor said talk of the Big Ten Conference banning its schools from playing Football Championship Subdivision programs is just that. Talk.
“It’s just a discussion point,” Taylor said. “Hold on to your hats. It’s not time to panic.”

Taylor’s comments were in response to those made by University of Wisconsin athletic director Barry Alvarez, who told a Madison, Wis., radio station that Big Ten officials agreed to stop playing FCS opponents, a division that includes North Dakota State and the University of North Dakota.

Taylor said he got his information from another Big Ten athletic director on Wednesday, who told him some schools in the power conference don’t want to give up the FCS game.

“One of (the ADs) said we’re not all in the upper echelon of the Big Ten,” Taylor said. “We need those guys. Our coaches would hang us if we played only non-FCS teams.”

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Big money TV will not tolerate FCS games for much longer and pay top dollar. MWC and AAC are being encouraged to upgrade their OOC games to make them more attractive for TV. FCS games against the top teams will be occurring at a much lower rate shortly. With the PAC and the BIG at 9 game seasons and a strength of schedule component being added to who makes the playoff games it is only a matter of time. FCS is living off the FBS dime and that can't last.

Well until FBS stops scheduling FCS Cal Poly will just have to go on beating Wyoming and Sac St will have to go on beating Colorado and Oregon State. I really don't see any evidence that there is a rush to stop scheduling FCS teams. Everybody in the MWC plays BSC teams pretty much. Poly has scheduled Fresno State, San Diego State, and Wyoming the past three years.

And as for FCS living on FBS' dime that's the same argument the AQ's make about the Go5, Comeon Billings, listen to yourself.

Speaking of Cal Poly … From my perspective that’s the deal – there will not likely be any western FCS to FBS developments until Cal Poly and UCD move.

Both schools have excellent academic reputations, strong programs, distributed, loyal (and wealthy) alumni bases, and, importantly, both schools are located in the last of the remaining, isolated but growing marketplaces in California without FBS representation: Cal Poly = Central Coast Region; Davis = Sacramento Region. Also, importantly, given the relationship between the schools, they seem to move in tandem.

I believe that those schools have designs on moving up to FBS, but are doing so on deliberate, structured timelines. After that, I can see movement with Montana, Montana State, Portland State and perhaps some others being a real possibility.
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RE: FCS is dying. When will the Montana schools decide enough is enough and go FBS?
(04-09-2013 11:38 AM)Blitz Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 09:31 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 04:02 PM)billings Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 12:41 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 12:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think Alvarez was just speaking for his school. I think he said Big Ten not playing FCS schools.

Would be very interested to see if they reinsert the rule about having 1 FCS win every 4 years count towards bowl eligibility. That would end the FCS games to a large degree.

Quote:FARGO – Upon further review, North Dakota State athletic director Gene Taylor said talk of the Big Ten Conference banning its schools from playing Football Championship Subdivision programs is just that. Talk.
“It’s just a discussion point,” Taylor said. “Hold on to your hats. It’s not time to panic.”

Taylor’s comments were in response to those made by University of Wisconsin athletic director Barry Alvarez, who told a Madison, Wis., radio station that Big Ten officials agreed to stop playing FCS opponents, a division that includes North Dakota State and the University of North Dakota.

Taylor said he got his information from another Big Ten athletic director on Wednesday, who told him some schools in the power conference don’t want to give up the FCS game.

“One of (the ADs) said we’re not all in the upper echelon of the Big Ten,” Taylor said. “We need those guys. Our coaches would hang us if we played only non-FCS teams.”

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Big money TV will not tolerate FCS games for much longer and pay top dollar. MWC and AAC are being encouraged to upgrade their OOC games to make them more attractive for TV. FCS games against the top teams will be occurring at a much lower rate shortly. With the PAC and the BIG at 9 game seasons and a strength of schedule component being added to who makes the playoff games it is only a matter of time. FCS is living off the FBS dime and that can't last.

Well until FBS stops scheduling FCS Cal Poly will just have to go on beating Wyoming and Sac St will have to go on beating Colorado and Oregon State. I really don't see any evidence that there is a rush to stop scheduling FCS teams. Everybody in the MWC plays BSC teams pretty much. Poly has scheduled Fresno State, San Diego State, and Wyoming the past three years.

And as for FCS living on FBS' dime that's the same argument the AQ's make about the Go5, Comeon Billings, listen to yourself.

Speaking of Cal Poly … From my perspective that’s the deal – there will not likely be any western FCS to FBS developments until Cal Poly and UCD move.

Both schools have excellent academic reputations, strong programs, distributed, loyal (and wealthy) alumni bases, and, importantly, both schools are located in the last of the remaining, isolated but growing marketplaces in California without FBS representation: Cal Poly = Central Coast Region; Davis = Sacramento Region. Also, importantly, given the relationship between the schools, they seem to move in tandem.

I believe that those schools have designs on moving up to FBS, but are doing so on deliberate, structured timelines. After that, I can see movement with Montana, Montana State, Portland State and perhaps some others being a real possibility.

The California FCS schools ship has already sailed unless invited by the MWC or the PAC10. They can not move up without a FBS conference invite not matter what timeline they have set for themselves. The conference doing the inviting sets the timeline not the other way around.
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RE: FCS is dying. When will the Montana schools decide enough is enough and go FBS?
I could see the Sun Belt inviting a UCD or a Cal Poly to go along with NMSU and Idaho in the west

if UCD was already FBS school, I see them getting an invite to the Pac 12 in the next go around but they're years away from fielding any teams comparable to the Pac 12
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RE: FCS is dying. When will the Montana schools decide enough is enough and go FBS?
UC Davis would be an excellent pick up.

The Aggies would be a great fit for the PAC 12 if they ever expand, but maybe the MWC should be looking toward UCD as well. A conference could do a lot worse than UCD. Big money, super academics (among the best) and nearly a billion dollars in endowment.

The only thing holding UCD back from entering FBS is UCD.
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RE: FCS is dying. When will the Montana schools decide enough is enough and go FBS?
(04-09-2013 10:21 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  I could see the Sun Belt inviting a UCD or a Cal Poly to go along with NMSU and Idaho in the west

if UCD was already FBS school, I see them getting an invite to the Pac 12 in the next go around but they're years away from fielding any teams comparable to the Pac 12

No. Not going to happen. Pac-12 is not going to pick another Cal school 60 miles from Berkeley.
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RE: FCS is dying. When will the Montana schools decide enough is enough and go FBS?
(04-09-2013 10:51 PM)Fireman451 Wrote:  UC Davis would be an excellent pick up.

The Aggies would be a great fit for the PAC 12 if they ever expand, but maybe the MWC should be looking toward UCD as well. A conference could do a lot worse than UCD. Big money, super academics (among the best) and nearly a billion dollars in endowment.

The only thing holding UCD back from entering FBS is UCD.
When UCD moved to DI, thought they'd be the new USF or UTSA, but if anything, their athletics have regressed.

UCD has been a DI for ten years now and hasn't really done anything. When they were DII, they dominated many sports even with limited scholarships. Now the school is pumping money from student fees into athletics and has almost nothing to show for it.

Here's a week old story on the lack of athletic progress at UCD:
http://www.kqed.org/news/story/2013/04/0...on_i_costs
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(04-09-2013 11:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 10:51 PM)Fireman451 Wrote:  UC Davis would be an excellent pick up.

The Aggies would be a great fit for the PAC 12 if they ever expand, but maybe the MWC should be looking toward UCD as well. A conference could do a lot worse than UCD. Big money, super academics (among the best) and nearly a billion dollars in endowment.

The only thing holding UCD back from entering FBS is UCD.
When UCD moved to DI, thought they'd be the new USF or UTSA, but if anything, their athletics have regressed.

UCD has been a DI for ten years now and hasn't really done anything. When they were DII, they dominated many sports even with limited scholarships. Now the school is pumping money from student fees into athletics and has almost nothing to show for it.

Here's a week old story on the lack of athletic progress at UCD:
http://www.kqed.org/news/story/2013/04/0...on_i_costs

Davis has definitely underachieved thus far. That appears to be changing though. Basketball was much improved this year and Baseball is now respectable if not wonderful. We'll see what their new football coach can do.
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(04-09-2013 11:10 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 10:21 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  I could see the Sun Belt inviting a UCD or a Cal Poly to go along with NMSU and Idaho in the west

if UCD was already FBS school, I see them getting an invite to the Pac 12 in the next go around but they're years away from fielding any teams comparable to the Pac 12

No. Not going to happen. Pac-12 is not going to pick another Cal school 60 miles from Berkeley.

they fit the Pac 12 profile though-research school and strong academics

the Pac 12 has very few choices if and when they expand again and UCD is already in the Pac 12 footprint
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RE: FCS is dying. When will the Montana schools decide enough is enough and go FBS?
(04-10-2013 11:36 AM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 11:10 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 10:21 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  I could see the Sun Belt inviting a UCD or a Cal Poly to go along with NMSU and Idaho in the west

if UCD was already FBS school, I see them getting an invite to the Pac 12 in the next go around but they're years away from fielding any teams comparable to the Pac 12

No. Not going to happen. Pac-12 is not going to pick another Cal school 60 miles from Berkeley.

they fit the Pac 12 profile though-research school and strong academics

the Pac 12 has very few choices if and when they expand again and UCD is already in the Pac 12 footprint

Which is exactly why they won't get picked. Doesn't add anything in way of markets, cannabalizes existing market.

Pac 12 DOESN'T have to expand again. If they do, it will be iether from Big 12 country, or in 20 years if Nevada/New Mexico warrant expansion.
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