Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
Author Message
apex_pirate Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,820
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 95
I Root For: East Carolina
Location:
Post: #21
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
(04-05-2013 12:05 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  http://www.scarletknights.com/news/relea...prID=13052

Here's Pernetii's Letter of Resignation

Quote:As you know, my first instincts when I saw the videotape of Coach Rice's behavior was to fire him immediately. However, Rutgers decided to follow a process involving university lawyers, human resources professionals, and outside counsel. Following review of the independent investigative report, the consensus was that university policy would not justify dismissal. I have admitted my role in, and regret for, that decision, and wish that I had the opportunity to go back and override it for the sake of everyone involved.

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy the "I couldn't fire him" line. What has changed legally between December and now that Rice could be fired now, but not then?

I have to say...his gut instinct was to fire him and "university policy would not justify dismissal" is alarming on both accounts. Just about everyone thought Rice should be fired. I find it hard to believe that university policy was anywhere near as relaxed as to allow that type of behavior. It is usually zero tolerance EVERYWHERE. Pernetti said it was Rice's first offense but went on to say he was disturbed by Rice's "pattern of behavior." Those two statements are contradictory and indicate at least a small amount of cover up. Even if Pernetti wanted to fire Rice and didn't, he made the wrong decision. That is one he ultimately has to pay for with his own job. It is no different in his world than it is in corporate America.
04-05-2013 12:17 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,002
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 424
I Root For: Common Sense
Location: Nunnayadamnbusiness
Post: #22
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
(04-05-2013 12:10 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  After all the coverage this is getting I expect public outrage will be equally expressed in regards to what is going on in Auburn. Actually I don't

If they had tapes of the alleged misconduct, as they do in the Rutgers case, you can bet your sweet arse the public/media would be all over it.

Guys, this was not even close.
04-05-2013 12:36 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
The Cutter of Bish Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,892
Joined: Mar 2013
Reputation: 125
I Root For: the little guy
Location:
Post: #23
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
(04-05-2013 12:05 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  http://www.scarletknights.com/news/relea...prID=13052

Here's Pernetii's Letter of Resignation

Quote:As you know, my first instincts when I saw the videotape of Coach Rice's behavior was to fire him immediately. However, Rutgers decided to follow a process involving university lawyers, human resources professionals, and outside counsel. Following review of the independent investigative report, the consensus was that university policy would not justify dismissal. I have admitted my role in, and regret for, that decision, and wish that I had the opportunity to go back and override it for the sake of everyone involved.

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy the "I couldn't fire him" line. What has changed legally between December and now that Rice could be fired now, but not then?

Nothing did. Tim Pernetti is making sure that if he goes down, others with more authority than him do as well. He's trying to pull Rutgers' university lawyers, HR Dept., and dear Prez. Barchi under the bus where he himself was thrown.

Good for him, although I suspect it will be some of legal and not Barchi who go down on this one.
04-05-2013 12:55 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
CommuterBob Offline
Head Tailgater
*

Posts: 5,840
Joined: Feb 2012
Reputation: 174
I Root For: UCF, Ohio State
Location:
Post: #24
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
(04-05-2013 12:55 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 12:05 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  http://www.scarletknights.com/news/relea...prID=13052

Here's Pernetii's Letter of Resignation

Quote:As you know, my first instincts when I saw the videotape of Coach Rice's behavior was to fire him immediately. However, Rutgers decided to follow a process involving university lawyers, human resources professionals, and outside counsel. Following review of the independent investigative report, the consensus was that university policy would not justify dismissal. I have admitted my role in, and regret for, that decision, and wish that I had the opportunity to go back and override it for the sake of everyone involved.

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy the "I couldn't fire him" line. What has changed legally between December and now that Rice could be fired now, but not then?

Nothing did. Tim Pernetti is making sure that if he goes down, others with more authority than him do as well. He's trying to pull Rutgers' university lawyers, HR Dept., and dear Prez. Barchi under the bus where he himself was thrown.

Good for him, although I suspect it will be some of legal and not Barchi who go down on this one.

He definitely tossed a grenade on his way out the door.
04-05-2013 01:07 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
CardFan1 Offline
Red Thunderbird
*

Posts: 13,872
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: 555
I Root For: Louisville ACC
Location:
Post: #25
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
The fact that as an AD of a great University like Rutgers is that You could sit through those videos and Not feel the humility those kids were going through shows that Tim probably thought it was funny like the coaches seemed to do.
I'm 60 and had that been one of My kids or Grandkids, I would have gone off big time. I hope now with the videos out there those kids don't suffer peer abuse for not fighting back but They had and have a lot on the line. I pray that They can get a brake with new coach at Rutgers or elsewhere.
04-05-2013 01:19 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
brista21 Offline
The Birthplace of College Football
*

Posts: 10,042
Joined: Apr 2005
Reputation: 262
I Root For: Rutgers
Location: North Jersey

Donators
Post: #26
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
(04-05-2013 01:19 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The fact that as an AD of a great University like Rutgers is that You could sit through those videos and Not feel the humility those kids were going through shows that Tim probably thought it was funny like the coaches seemed to do.
I'm 60 and had that been one of My kids or Grandkids, I would have gone off big time. I hope now with the videos out there those kids don't suffer peer abuse for not fighting back but They had and have a lot on the line. I pray that They can get a brake with new coach at Rutgers or elsewhere.

Read his letter of resignation.
04-05-2013 01:28 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bitcruncher Offline
pepperoni roll psycho...
*

Posts: 61,859
Joined: Jan 2006
Reputation: 526
I Root For: West Virginia
Location: Knoxville, TN
Post: #27
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
How long before the President follows him out the door? The next question is whether or not any board members join him in the mass exodus...
04-05-2013 01:45 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
brista21 Offline
The Birthplace of College Football
*

Posts: 10,042
Joined: Apr 2005
Reputation: 262
I Root For: Rutgers
Location: North Jersey

Donators
Post: #28
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
(04-05-2013 01:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  How long before the President follows him out the door? The next question is whether or not any board members join him in the mass exodus...

Sounds like the witch hunt is done. Christie has decided to publicly back Barchi at this point. Christie will now start to throw political weight around to quiet things down.
04-05-2013 02:24 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
apex_pirate Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,820
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 95
I Root For: East Carolina
Location:
Post: #29
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
(04-05-2013 01:28 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 01:19 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The fact that as an AD of a great University like Rutgers is that You could sit through those videos and Not feel the humility those kids were going through shows that Tim probably thought it was funny like the coaches seemed to do.
I'm 60 and had that been one of My kids or Grandkids, I would have gone off big time. I hope now with the videos out there those kids don't suffer peer abuse for not fighting back but They had and have a lot on the line. I pray that They can get a brake with new coach at Rutgers or elsewhere.

Read his letter of resignation.

Not that you care, but I hope you understand that my position on this is not reflective of the University in general. I do like Rutgers.
04-05-2013 02:25 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
brista21 Offline
The Birthplace of College Football
*

Posts: 10,042
Joined: Apr 2005
Reputation: 262
I Root For: Rutgers
Location: North Jersey

Donators
Post: #30
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
(04-05-2013 02:25 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 01:28 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 01:19 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The fact that as an AD of a great University like Rutgers is that You could sit through those videos and Not feel the humility those kids were going through shows that Tim probably thought it was funny like the coaches seemed to do.
I'm 60 and had that been one of My kids or Grandkids, I would have gone off big time. I hope now with the videos out there those kids don't suffer peer abuse for not fighting back but They had and have a lot on the line. I pray that They can get a brake with new coach at Rutgers or elsewhere.

Read his letter of resignation.

Not that you care, but I hope you understand that my position on this is not reflective of the University in general. I do like Rutgers.

I understand that. I'm probably even more furious at the situation than anybody from the outside. I just feel a need to stick up for my school.
04-05-2013 02:27 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bitcruncher Offline
pepperoni roll psycho...
*

Posts: 61,859
Joined: Jan 2006
Reputation: 526
I Root For: West Virginia
Location: Knoxville, TN
Post: #31
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
(04-05-2013 02:24 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 01:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  How long before the President follows him out the door? The next question is whether or not any board members join him in the mass exodus...
Sounds like the witch hunt is done. Christie has decided to publicly back Barchi at this point. Christie will now start to throw political weight around to quiet things down.
If things quiet down. From the way it sounds like everything went down, there seems to be plenty of blame to go around for all those in charge at Rutgers. Anyone throwing their political weight at this point in time just might be committing political suicide. It just depends if enough people care enough to look into the matter, or whether they'd rather act like sheep willing to be led to their slaughter....
04-05-2013 02:42 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
The Cutter of Bish Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,892
Joined: Mar 2013
Reputation: 125
I Root For: the little guy
Location:
Post: #32
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
(04-05-2013 01:42 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 01:07 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 12:55 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 12:05 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  http://www.scarletknights.com/news/relea...prID=13052

Here's Pernetii's Letter of Resignation

Quote:As you know, my first instincts when I saw the videotape of Coach Rice's behavior was to fire him immediately. However, Rutgers decided to follow a process involving university lawyers, human resources professionals, and outside counsel. Following review of the independent investigative report, the consensus was that university policy would not justify dismissal. I have admitted my role in, and regret for, that decision, and wish that I had the opportunity to go back and override it for the sake of everyone involved.

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy the "I couldn't fire him" line. What has changed legally between December and now that Rice could be fired now, but not then?

Nothing did. Tim Pernetti is making sure that if he goes down, others with more authority than him do as well. He's trying to pull Rutgers' university lawyers, HR Dept., and dear Prez. Barchi under the bus where he himself was thrown.

Good for him, although I suspect it will be some of legal and not Barchi who go down on this one.

He definitely tossed a grenade on his way out the door.

Can't blame Pernetti for thinking that he shouldn't be the only one thrown under the bus, but his own lapse of judgment was pretty bad.

I agree, but if there's any truth to his portrayal of RU's system in how he couldn't fire Rice, Pernetti's final payment from Rutgers may be its most generous.

"I wanted to fire him, but Rutgers said I couldn't?" Easily an eight-digit settlement figure if he goes that route.
04-05-2013 02:50 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
lew240z Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 699
Joined: Apr 2012
Reputation: 23
I Root For: Wyoming
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Post: #33
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
So, Pernetti's first instinct was to fire Rice. That is the only thing he got right. His first actions were to cover his own ass by bringing in the university lawyers, pass the buck o the human resources department, and them cover his ass some more with outside lawyers. My first action after seeing that tape would have been to call the police.
04-05-2013 03:00 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Melky Cabrera Offline
Bill Bradley
*

Posts: 4,716
Joined: Aug 2011
Reputation: 100
I Root For: UConn
Location:
Post: #34
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
Ironic that this same institution rallied to the support of its women basketball players in the face of the Don Imus slurs. And rightly so. Yet this same institution failed at every level to protect the interests of its male basketball players. This is the same institution that lost one of its students to suicide by jumping off a bridge because he couldn't tolerate the homophobic slurs he faced on campus. Short memories among the administration. They had a real opportunity to make a positive statement in support of gay students by standing up against the kind of behavior that Rice exhibited. Instead they completely dropped the ball big time.
04-05-2013 03:10 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
brista21 Offline
The Birthplace of College Football
*

Posts: 10,042
Joined: Apr 2005
Reputation: 262
I Root For: Rutgers
Location: North Jersey

Donators
Post: #35
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
(04-05-2013 03:10 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Ironic that this same institution rallied to the support of its women basketball players in the face of the Don Imus slurs. And rightly so. Yet this same institution failed at every level to protect the interests of its male basketball players. This is the same institution that lost one of its students to suicide by jumping off a bridge because he couldn't tolerate the homophobic slurs he faced on campus. Short memories among the administration. They had a real opportunity to make a positive statement in support of gay students by standing up against the kind of behavior that Rice exhibited. Instead they completely dropped the ball big time.

I went to school there. Its actually one of the more LGBTQ friendly places in the country. The kid jumped off the bridge because his roommate was a homophobe and a hi-tech peeping tom who exposed his not yet open sexuality to the world. Very different than the homosexual slurs picture you paint.
04-05-2013 03:52 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Vewb1 Offline
Banned

Posts: 1,281
Joined: May 2012
I Root For: Bearcats
Location: Cleves, Ohio
Post: #36
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
The president should go too. No doubt about it !!!! It's a pretty easy call. "what, our basketball players are being slapped around, hit with balls and pushed during practices" Is there any doubt how one should react to that? Everyone involved made huge mistakes. I can't help but wonder if the institution, knowing it had a chance for an invite from BIG, continued so as not have the invite or possibility of the invite being removed. Don't you wonder??? I do.
(This post was last modified: 04-05-2013 04:00 PM by Vewb1.)
04-05-2013 03:57 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,002
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 424
I Root For: Common Sense
Location: Nunnayadamnbusiness
Post: #37
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
(04-05-2013 02:27 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 02:25 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 01:28 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 01:19 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The fact that as an AD of a great University like Rutgers is that You could sit through those videos and Not feel the humility those kids were going through shows that Tim probably thought it was funny like the coaches seemed to do.
I'm 60 and had that been one of My kids or Grandkids, I would have gone off big time. I hope now with the videos out there those kids don't suffer peer abuse for not fighting back but They had and have a lot on the line. I pray that They can get a brake with new coach at Rutgers or elsewhere.

Read his letter of resignation.

Not that you care, but I hope you understand that my position on this is not reflective of the University in general. I do like Rutgers.

I understand that. I'm probably even more furious at the situation than anybody from the outside. I just feel a need to stick up for my school.

Most everyone in this thread IS sticking up for your school. We're just not interested in protecting the people who abused young people or the people who facilitated said abuse.

This is NOT a Rutgers University issue, it's a Mike Rice, Jimmy Martelli and Tim Pernetti issue.

As for Martelli, the smallest fish in all of this, as I have warned you all repeatedly, never trust a grown man who goes with a child's nickname. It held true in the case of Bobby Petrino and it is true of Jimmy Martelli as well. As a rule, I do not trust men who do that.
04-05-2013 04:12 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
brista21 Offline
The Birthplace of College Football
*

Posts: 10,042
Joined: Apr 2005
Reputation: 262
I Root For: Rutgers
Location: North Jersey

Donators
Post: #38
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
(04-05-2013 04:12 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 02:27 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 02:25 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 01:28 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 01:19 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The fact that as an AD of a great University like Rutgers is that You could sit through those videos and Not feel the humility those kids were going through shows that Tim probably thought it was funny like the coaches seemed to do.
I'm 60 and had that been one of My kids or Grandkids, I would have gone off big time. I hope now with the videos out there those kids don't suffer peer abuse for not fighting back but They had and have a lot on the line. I pray that They can get a brake with new coach at Rutgers or elsewhere.

Read his letter of resignation.

Not that you care, but I hope you understand that my position on this is not reflective of the University in general. I do like Rutgers.

I understand that. I'm probably even more furious at the situation than anybody from the outside. I just feel a need to stick up for my school.

Most everyone in this thread IS sticking up for your school. We're just not interested in protecting the people who abused young people or the people who facilitated said abuse.

This is NOT a Rutgers University issue, it's a Mike Rice, Jimmy Martelli and Tim Pernetti issue.

As for Martelli, the smallest fish in all of this, as I have warned you all repeatedly, never trust a grown man who goes with a child's nickname. It held true in the case of Bobby Petrino and it is true of Jimmy Martelli as well. As a rule, I do not trust men who do that.

And I've stuck up for Pernetti who I do believe acted in good faith. Ultimately it was impossible to move on with him I'll concede that. And I've continuously voiced my disapproval with Martelli and Rice and have agreed they should have been fired back in December when the school initially acted (publicly mind you) on this.
(This post was last modified: 04-05-2013 04:24 PM by brista21.)
04-05-2013 04:22 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
gosports1 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,460
Joined: Sep 2008
Reputation: 127
I Root For: providence
Location:
Post: #39
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
(04-05-2013 12:36 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 12:10 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  After all the coverage this is getting I expect public outrage will be equally expressed in regards to what is going on in Auburn. Actually I don't

If they had tapes of the alleged misconduct, as they do in the Rutgers case, you can bet your sweet arse the public/media would be all over it.

Guys, this was not even close.

I may be cynical but IMO people will be more accepting of Auburns allwdged cheating because they have a winning program. What happened at Rutgers is wrong what is claimed to have happened at auburn is criminal IMO the AD, coach , his staff and the president should ALL be terminated
04-05-2013 04:54 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Melky Cabrera Offline
Bill Bradley
*

Posts: 4,716
Joined: Aug 2011
Reputation: 100
I Root For: UConn
Location:
Post: #40
RE: Tim Pernetti out as Rutgers AD
(04-05-2013 03:52 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 03:10 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Ironic that this same institution rallied to the support of its women basketball players in the face of the Don Imus slurs. And rightly so. Yet this same institution failed at every level to protect the interests of its male basketball players. This is the same institution that lost one of its students to suicide by jumping off a bridge because he couldn't tolerate the homophobic slurs he faced on campus. Short memories among the administration. They had a real opportunity to make a positive statement in support of gay students by standing up against the kind of behavior that Rice exhibited. Instead they completely dropped the ball big time.

I went to school there. Its actually one of the more LGBTQ friendly places in the country. The kid jumped off the bridge because his roommate was a homophobe and a hi-tech peeping tom who exposed his not yet open sexuality to the world. Very different than the homosexual slurs picture you paint.

This still gave them an opportunity to stand up against the sort of anti-gay verbiage that Rice spewed out. Every time an institution does that, they make gay kids feel a little safer. The kid jumping off the bridge simply showed how vulnerable a kid can feel regardless of how gay friendly you paint the campus to be.
04-05-2013 05:13 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2020 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2020 MyBB Group.