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RE: UIC to MVC, Oakland to Horizon
(04-08-2013 09:10 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 07:46 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  Why would we give up Southern for Edwardsville? I'm fine with the other trade. SIU will rebound and improve. SIU-E, not so much.

SIUE is in the StL market.

But St. Louis people don't care if for no other reason than that it's on the other side of the border. It's a pro sports town that already has a college that speaks for the market in SLU, which even uses the city's name (yes, I know the alternate reference too).
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People in St. Louis don't give a rat's rear about SIU-E, neither do folks in Illinois. SIU is a regional state u, and Edwardsville is a regional arm of a regional school.

Better off picking up the Leathernecks rather than SIU-E.
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(04-09-2013 11:06 PM)Fireman451 Wrote:  People in St. Louis don't give a rat's rear about SIU-E, neither do folks in Illinois. SIU is a regional state u, and Edwardsville is a regional arm of a regional school.

Better off picking up the Leathernecks rather than SIU-E.
Don't think many people in Des Moines really care about Drake either - too busy with UI and ISU.

WIU has an excellent coach, but when is the last time they have had over 1000 in attendance? Maybe their DII days? The Quad Cities doesn't even care about WIU.
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(04-09-2013 10:33 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I hope it's Denver.
Probably is them because the Summit League Commissioner said DU had taken themselves out of consideration. The MVC is a dream spot for DU.
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(04-09-2013 10:33 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I hope it's Denver.

I don't. It would shut the door on my hopes that the Big West adds them. 03-pissed
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(04-09-2013 11:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 10:33 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I hope it's Denver.
Probably is them because the Summit League Commissioner said DU had taken themselves out of consideration. The MVC is a dream spot for DU.

DU still has to overcome their unwillingness to add baseball or softball. They would be a great fit though, and might be enough to keep Wichita State happy.
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(04-09-2013 11:43 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 11:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 10:33 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I hope it's Denver.
Probably is them because the Summit League Commissioner said DU had taken themselves out of consideration. The MVC is a dream spot for DU.

DU still has to overcome their unwillingness to add baseball or softball. They would be a great fit though, and might be enough to keep Wichita State happy.

Doubt DU would be required to add baseball. UNI doesn't have it and Dallas Baptist gives an even number for scheduling. DU baseball wouldn't help WSU baseball at all, at least for a number of years, and decreases the number of non-conference games WSU wants. The MVC needs DU's m/w soccer and m/w swimming more than they need an extra baseball team.
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(04-09-2013 11:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 10:33 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I hope it's Denver.
Probably is them because the Summit League Commissioner said DU had taken themselves out of consideration. The MVC is a dream spot for DU.

That news makes me happy. It would be a great addition to the MVC. Good market. Good attendance. Good budget. Good academics. Easy travel. Improving basketball.
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(04-09-2013 11:41 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 10:33 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I hope it's Denver.

I don't. It would shut the door on my hopes that the Big West adds them. 03-pissed
Sorry about that. But when it comes down to it, I don't care 04-chairshot

(04-09-2013 11:43 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 11:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 10:33 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I hope it's Denver.
Probably is them because the Summit League Commissioner said DU had taken themselves out of consideration. The MVC is a dream spot for DU.

DU still has to overcome their unwillingness to add baseball or softball. They would be a great fit though, and might be enough to keep Wichita State happy.
I hope the baseball/softball issue isn't an issue. I also don't think the addition of Denver does anything to keep Wichita in the MVC. I don't know if we have a lot of options, but even when Creighton was in the conference, if we had a way to upgrade, we'd have taken it. I do think Denver would at least show Wichita that the MVC is serious about keeping basketball at as high a level as possible by adding a school that doesn't have the budget concerns that others being discussed have.

One thing a lot of WSU fans have complained about is the fact that a number of schools in this conference either can't invest more in basketball or refuse to. They pay their coaches very little so the first sign of success and they bolt and then they have to find someone else they can rent for cheap. I don't think Denver would have that issue. Although I have no idea what their coach is currently being paid.
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(04-09-2013 11:22 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 11:06 PM)Fireman451 Wrote:  People in St. Louis don't give a rat's rear about SIU-E, neither do folks in Illinois. SIU is a regional state u, and Edwardsville is a regional arm of a regional school.

Better off picking up the Leathernecks rather than SIU-E.
Don't think many people in Des Moines really care about Drake either - too busy with UI and ISU.

WIU has an excellent coach, but when is the last time they have had over 1000 in attendance? Maybe their DII days? The Quad Cities doesn't even care about WIU.
WIU had a very good year this year (21 wins) but will need to string together at least a couple of years like that to build attendance up. They like so many college hoops programs in Illinois have been so bad for so long that interest has dwindled to the die hards.
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(04-10-2013 09:08 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 11:41 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 10:33 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I hope it's Denver.

I don't. It would shut the door on my hopes that the Big West adds them. 03-pissed
Sorry about that. But when it comes down to it, I don't care 04-chairshot

(04-09-2013 11:43 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 11:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 10:33 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I hope it's Denver.
Probably is them because the Summit League Commissioner said DU had taken themselves out of consideration. The MVC is a dream spot for DU.

DU still has to overcome their unwillingness to add baseball or softball. They would be a great fit though, and might be enough to keep Wichita State happy.
I hope the baseball/softball issue isn't an issue. I also don't think the addition of Denver does anything to keep Wichita in the MVC. I don't know if we have a lot of options, but even when Creighton was in the conference, if we had a way to upgrade, we'd have taken it. I do think Denver would at least show Wichita that the MVC is serious about keeping basketball at as high a level as possible by adding a school that doesn't have the budget concerns that others being discussed have.

One thing a lot of WSU fans have complained about is the fact that a number of schools in this conference either can't invest more in basketball or refuse to. They pay their coaches very little so the first sign of success and they bolt and then they have to find someone else they can rent for cheap. I don't think Denver would have that issue. Although I have no idea what their coach is currently being paid.
College hoops like football has a pecking order. Even Creighton as successful as they have been in the mvc has lost their coach to a higher profile program that had more resources. The Shockers are going to have a battle holding onto their current coach. The AAC possibly adding a hoops/olympic sports program is the only option that WSU has in moving out of the MVC. The "Catholic 7" are unlikely to add a public U even one with no interest in football. The Denver market would be a great addition for the MVC and with Denver U having ice hockey as a moneymaker for the program, they can invest in other sports easier than most other non football programs.
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(04-08-2013 01:19 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I understand Carbondale is tiny. I'm just saying they get more press in STL than SIU-E ever will. Even if they are two hours away. UIC at least puts you IN Chicago. It's still irrelevent and would be a dumb move for the MVC. But not near as dumb as adding a team that's been D1 for a handful of years and is irrelevent in a market. And the MVC as a whole is fine with where they currently stand in STL. If the MVC wants to grab markets, they need to step outside of the footprint to do it. But they also need to focus on the basketball side of the equation as that's by far the most important aspect. Especially if WSU gets lucky and has an offer from a better conference at some point. Markets won't mean jack if the products absolutely suck.

And I'm not saying that none of the other teams can improve and become factors. But I don't have a lot of confidence in prolonged future success on the court from anyone outside of Bradley.
The problem with the Valley now is that there are no slam dunk choices, otherwise that school would already be added. UMKC is almost as ridiculous as SIUE, but it had a site visit because of its media potential. Moreover, SIU would never allow SIUE.

Some of the other choices I see MVC fans throw out there are fatally flawed to begin with:
St Louis wouldn't return an MVC phone call
Dayton won't happen when a Big East move could
Detroit won't happen as it would prefer the A10 (MVC schools think its too far)
Oakland won't happen because it's too far
ORU won't happen, same issues as a school like Liberty
Arlington wouldn't accept, as it means abandoning the potential of football
UALR wouldn't accept, as the MVC is too Midwestern
NMSU won't happen, as seen as a flight risk and too much travel
Belmont won't happen, as Horizon or even Sun Belt BBonly are better fits
Omaha won't happen, as it is too new to DI
Dakota's won't happen, as their markets are too small
Murray St won't happen, " " "
N Kentucky and Wright St wouldn't happen because they are too far.

Ideally, the MVC needs schools in (a) Chicago, (b) Minneapolis-St Paul, (c ) St Louis, and (d ) KC.

(b) doesn't have any, and © doesn't have any willing that wouldn't be blocked. The four schools under consideration are either from choices (a) or (d), and all are unappetizing to WSU.

Oakland is too far? They are a much better alternative than UMKC or any Chicago area program because Oakland at least draws some fans and has won the Summit title 3 times since 05; Oakland would also bring part of the Detroit market which is loaded with hoops talent as evidenced by the success of Michigan & MSU. Would also get the MVC in another large market which they need as this conference only generates significant interest in KC because of Wichita, St Louis because of MSU, SIU & somewhat Bradley/ISU and Chicago because of the 3 MVC instate programs.

The problem for the MVC is that it doesn't have a member in either metro Chicago, St Louis or KC; Oakland puts them in metro Detroit. Don't see any other better alternatives out there.
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(04-10-2013 10:40 AM)Poliicious Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 01:55 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 01:19 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I understand Carbondale is tiny. I'm just saying they get more press in STL than SIU-E ever will. Even if they are two hours away. UIC at least puts you IN Chicago. It's still irrelevent and would be a dumb move for the MVC. But not near as dumb as adding a team that's been D1 for a handful of years and is irrelevent in a market. And the MVC as a whole is fine with where they currently stand in STL. If the MVC wants to grab markets, they need to step outside of the footprint to do it. But they also need to focus on the basketball side of the equation as that's by far the most important aspect. Especially if WSU gets lucky and has an offer from a better conference at some point. Markets won't mean jack if the products absolutely suck.

And I'm not saying that none of the other teams can improve and become factors. But I don't have a lot of confidence in prolonged future success on the court from anyone outside of Bradley.
The problem with the Valley now is that there are no slam dunk choices, otherwise that school would already be added. UMKC is almost as ridiculous as SIUE, but it had a site visit because of its media potential. Moreover, SIU would never allow SIUE.

Some of the other choices I see MVC fans throw out there are fatally flawed to begin with:
St Louis wouldn't return an MVC phone call
Dayton won't happen when a Big East move could
Detroit won't happen as it would prefer the A10 (MVC schools think its too far)
Oakland won't happen because it's too far
ORU won't happen, same issues as a school like Liberty
Arlington wouldn't accept, as it means abandoning the potential of football
UALR wouldn't accept, as the MVC is too Midwestern
NMSU won't happen, as seen as a flight risk and too much travel
Belmont won't happen, as Horizon or even Sun Belt BBonly are better fits
Omaha won't happen, as it is too new to DI
Dakota's won't happen, as their markets are too small
Murray St won't happen, " " "
N Kentucky and Wright St wouldn't happen because they are too far.

Ideally, the MVC needs schools in (a) Chicago, (b) Minneapolis-St Paul, (c ) St Louis, and (d ) KC.

(b) doesn't have any, and © doesn't have any willing that wouldn't be blocked. The four schools under consideration are either from choices (a) or (d), and all are unappetizing to WSU.

Oakland is too far? They are a much better alternative than UMKC or any Chicago area program because Oakland at least draws some fans and has won the Summit title 3 times since 05; Oakland would also bring part of the Detroit market which is loaded with hoops talent as evidenced by the success of Michigan & MSU. Would also get the MVC in another large market which they need as this conference only generates significant interest in KC because of Wichita, St Louis because of MSU, SIU & somewhat Bradley/ISU and Chicago because of the 3 MVC instate programs.

The problem for the MVC is that it doesn't have a member in either metro Chicago, St Louis or KC; Oakland puts them in metro Detroit. Don't see any other better alternatives out there.

For a "normal" conference, Oakland isn't too far, but for the MVC, most of the schools are so miserly regarding travel that, except for men's basketball, don't want any travel except by bus. That's also why Denver will have severe issues getting support of the Illinois (SIU, BU, ISU) + UNI gang.
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It seems pretty clear to me the MVC is going to add at least one school in the Chicago area and really that would be most ideal major market to go after.

I don't think Oakland is really a good fit for the MVC and I've heard that same opinion from some Oakland fans. They really want to be in the Horizon, which would be pretty much an ideal fit.

I'm still wondering if there are any other sources that confirm the MVC visited Denver, Belmont and ORU. I've seen multiple sources that confirm the Horizon schools but not much regarding any other school.
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(04-10-2013 10:21 AM)Poliicious Wrote:  
(04-10-2013 09:08 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 11:41 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 10:33 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I hope it's Denver.

I don't. It would shut the door on my hopes that the Big West adds them. 03-pissed
Sorry about that. But when it comes down to it, I don't care 04-chairshot

(04-09-2013 11:43 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 11:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 10:33 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I hope it's Denver.
Probably is them because the Summit League Commissioner said DU had taken themselves out of consideration. The MVC is a dream spot for DU.

DU still has to overcome their unwillingness to add baseball or softball. They would be a great fit though, and might be enough to keep Wichita State happy.
I hope the baseball/softball issue isn't an issue. I also don't think the addition of Denver does anything to keep Wichita in the MVC. I don't know if we have a lot of options, but even when Creighton was in the conference, if we had a way to upgrade, we'd have taken it. I do think Denver would at least show Wichita that the MVC is serious about keeping basketball at as high a level as possible by adding a school that doesn't have the budget concerns that others being discussed have.

One thing a lot of WSU fans have complained about is the fact that a number of schools in this conference either can't invest more in basketball or refuse to. They pay their coaches very little so the first sign of success and they bolt and then they have to find someone else they can rent for cheap. I don't think Denver would have that issue. Although I have no idea what their coach is currently being paid.
College hoops like football has a pecking order. Even Creighton as successful as they have been in the mvc has lost their coach to a higher profile program that had more resources. The Shockers are going to have a battle holding onto their current coach. The AAC possibly adding a hoops/olympic sports program is the only option that WSU has in moving out of the MVC. The "Catholic 7" are unlikely to add a public U even one with no interest in football. The Denver market would be a great addition for the MVC and with Denver U having ice hockey as a moneymaker for the program, they can invest in other sports easier than most other non football programs.
I understand pecking order. And I'm not worried about 3G in Wichita. He's very well paid and isn't leaving for money. He's already turned down more money in the past at what are mid to lower level BCS teams. What I'm saying though is that a number of our schools pay very poorly and it doesn't take a good job to pull them away. If pay were better, more coaches would be a little more selective and not jump at the first school to throw a little more money at them. Especially when the odds are that they will struggle at that school and potentially be fired in 4 years. There are a couple of schools in the MVC that have pretty decent compensation. Creighton was one. Wichita is one. I also believe Bradley is paying Ford a fairly decent salary and they can go up. I believe UNI is maxed out at about 500k. Drake pays nothing. MSU pays next to nothing. SIU has paid better and it got them in trouble and are now paying nothing. Evansville pays little. I'm not sure about the ISUs. But I don't think most can do much about it and therefor they'll lose coaches much quicker.

Wichita doesn't have that issue right now. 3G may eventually leave, but it'll be for a top job where he can win and not have to rebuild. I believe he'll make close to 2mil this year with his bonuses and a restructuring is already being worked on.

That's why I like a school like Denver. They'd have much more potential to pay and retain a coach longer. Plus, they could pay better which attracts better coaches when you have to replace one. Another added bonus that a number of our schools in the MVC will struggle with.
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(04-10-2013 02:09 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  There are a couple of schools in the MVC that have pretty decent compensation. Creighton was one. Wichita is one. I also believe Bradley is paying Ford a fairly decent salary and they can go up. I believe UNI is maxed out at about 500k. Drake pays nothing. MSU pays next to nothing. SIU has paid better and it got them in trouble and are now paying nothing. Evansville pays little. I'm not sure about the ISUs. But I don't think most can do much about it and therefor they'll lose coaches much quicker.
Next to nothing? why should MSU overpay a coach just to make you happy? Hinson didn't deserve a raise, Counzo was offered a huge pay increase (~$1 million/year) before he left for a school that no MVC school could outbid and Lusk is making what he is worth and will get a large raise if he starts winning. We have the most expensive arena in the MVC yet you don't hear us acting like we are better than everyone else like WSU fans have acted since forever, even when you were on your 20 year NCAA drought...a final four appearance couldn't have happened to a bigger douchbag of a fanbase
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(04-10-2013 07:12 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  
(04-10-2013 02:09 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  There are a couple of schools in the MVC that have pretty decent compensation. Creighton was one. Wichita is one. I also believe Bradley is paying Ford a fairly decent salary and they can go up. I believe UNI is maxed out at about 500k. Drake pays nothing. MSU pays next to nothing. SIU has paid better and it got them in trouble and are now paying nothing. Evansville pays little. I'm not sure about the ISUs. But I don't think most can do much about it and therefor they'll lose coaches much quicker.
Next to nothing? why should MSU overpay a coach just to make you happy? Hinson didn't deserve a raise, Counzo was offered a huge pay increase (~$1 million/year) before he left for a school that no MVC school could outbid and Lusk is making what he is worth and will get a large raise if he starts winning. We have the most expensive arena in the MVC yet you don't hear us acting like we are better than everyone else like WSU fans have acted since forever, even when you were on your 20 year NCAA drought...a final four appearance couldn't have happened to a bigger douchbag of a fanbase
You guys crack me up. You got more than you paid for out of Hinson. Every time one of you bring up Martin his pay increase that was offered increases. Congrats on having a half filled arena and a coach at the bottom of the Valley in pay. Keep selling cattle to pay off your debts and everything will be just fine...
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Bradley and Wichita State are on another plane when it comes to attracting the most qualified coaches and paying them enough to keep them longer. Gregg Marshall had great success at Winthrop and Geno Ford won back to back MAC COY awards at Kent. Unfortunately, the rest of the league hires BCS assistants (in SIU's case, DBO's) on a wing and a prayer and has even seen head coaches leave to become assistants at Oregon (ISU Blue) and Southern Methodist (ISU Red). It's tough to build a consistent program when you're replacing the coach every time you taste success (or in ISU Red's case, just getting close).

Mens basketball coaches salaries
Creighton $1.35M
Wichita $900k (incentives pushing to $1.5m)
Bradley $700k (incentives pushing to $1m)
UNI $500k
ISU Red $375k
SIU $300k (but were paying Lowery $750k IIRC)
Drake $274k
MSU $241k
ISU Blue $219k
Evansville $180k


So it's important to find a new member willing to invest in its basketball program, and Denver with the largest endowment is probably the best bet. Belmont seems willing to invest but given its attendance figures and lack of endowment it's not clear how long it can keep that up.


Endowment of candidates, salary of head coaches
Denver $380m; $300k (in 2008; probably significantly higher now)
Loyola $315m; salary undisclosed (but I can't imagine it's more than $300k)
UIC $181m; $300k salary
Valpo $141m; salary undisclosed (but they gave Drew a contract extension and he's sticking around so it must be significant)
Belmont $76m; $728k salary
UMKC $1.2b (system-wide so misleading); $250k salary
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