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OT: More shenanigans from Gene Chizik
Sources say that Auburn (under Chizik) changed players' grades, offered bribes to NFL-bound players to return to school, and other recruiting violations. Not too much of a surprise, seeing as the whole Cam Newton thing turned out.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...ing-report
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(04-03-2013 09:58 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Sources say that Auburn (under Chizik) changed players' grades, offered bribes to NFL-bound players to return to school, and other recruiting violations. Not too much of a surprise, seeing as the whole Cam Newton thing turned out.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...ing-report

How did that turn out? I thought they got off for insufficient evidence.
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RE: OT: More shenanigans from Gene Chizik
I believe they did, but I (and I think many) still know that something was going on there. I guess it's unrelated to this though...
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RE: OT: More shenanigans from Gene Chizik
It's the $EC my man. The networks will use their talking heads to praise the quality of play on the field, marvel at the plays' hot girlfriends, and look the other way on EVERYTHING else.
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RE: OT: More shenanigans from Gene Chizik
How stupid can these kids be? They know they're going to get drafted and will be guaranteed millions of dollars, and yet they take a couple hundred to stay in college another year?
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(04-04-2013 08:55 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  It's the $EC my man. The networks will use their talking heads to praise the quality of play on the field, marvel at the plays' hot girlfriends, and look the other way on EVERYTHING else.

They will indeed, just like they did for Ohio State, Penn State, Southern Cal, and every other major television brand. My point is that this is a television ratings issue, not an SEC issue. It's just that the SEC has a significant number television top draws.

I was in a position to know of violations 20 years ago. In the 5 state area I traveled every school but one was guilty of major violations. That included Big 8 schools, SWC schools, and Big 10 schools that recruited the same area as the ACC and SEC. When I identified violations I turned them into the president of the school that was guilty. Most of the presidents dealt with the matter internally. Many posters believe that schools are out to turn each other in. They are not. The primary objective of the knowledge of another school's misdeeds is to get them to drop the recruitment of that particular athlete. Intelligence about tactics is a strong reason behind last minute flips. Perhaps a stronger reason than a counter illegal inducement.

I know of Auburn's sins some of which are revealed in this article, but I also know that they pale in comparison to those of their rival. Saban perfected his hiding of misdeeds under the direction of Mark Emmert at LSU. In the State of Alabama they have a cover that surpasses the ability of the NCAA to investigate.

I read these threads on here about academics and reputations for academics and I want to vomit. Schools from every major conference trounce on the notion of academics. Grade fixing, arranged cheating, paid off professors, and ringers to take tests are as old as college football profitability. It's drugs and prostitution like allegedly at Ohio State (ESPN's initial report on the Buckeye's problems), Miami (Nevin Shapiro's strip club visits and Yacht trips), and recent allegations made by the former track coach at Texas that are really reprehensible. And, I would add that the SEC and PAC are not innocent of these kinds of things either. It's time that naive fans woke up to the crimes and misdeeds that their schools turn a blind eye to while in pursuit of a buck. Like Miko, I lost much of my lifetime interest awhile ago. Is a star recruit worth the abusing of a young woman's life? Are we so sick as a society that we can justify anything for a little acclaim?

And none of this touches the gambling aspect where point shaving is handled not by the players but by the officials. There is a ton of money wagered on those games and the closing line wins most of the time. You all know the betting line since it is published and bantered about frequently, but the closing line reveals one thing and that is which teams have the most bet on them. The house wins that line about 75% of the time. I call that terrific luck.

The question always comes back to what if that were my son they were using and giving a free pass on every desire of his uninformed heart just so they could make a few million of off him? What if it were my daughter being asked to be his escort to get him to sign? What if it were my son's eligibility that was being jeopardized by a few hundred dollars slipped to him across a table or tucked into his shirt pocket? As long as it is some poor person's child we don't seem to give a damn as long as it enhances our prestige, or increases our bankroll. After all we say, this is his 15 minutes and he is only seeking to better himself. What we don't stop to think about is the lesson he learns. "Everyone is corrupt. There are really no rules that money can't override. Everybody has an angle. And rules are for succors." Why are we so surprised then when they seem to think that their stardom should permit them to override the law? After all, their college experience has taught them otherwise and their corporate exposure has solidified it.

But hey, how is this any different from preferential treatment given to white collar criminals with country club jail time and the million dollar bonuses paid to the corporate execs whose businesses are "too big to fail" after their poor decisions have led to imminent collapse scenarios? The laws must apply to everyone are they are not laws. The laws must also apply to the law makers. The same is true for college athletics. What the upper tier really represents culturally is the cut off point beyond which law no longer applies. The schools that make the big money and make the upper tier will get away with murder. The others won't. That will make competition and upward mobility moot. It is exactly like what corporations have done to private business. Football is but one of many social indicators of a very new attitude toward the common man and the law.
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RE: OT: More shenanigans from Gene Chizik
(04-04-2013 08:55 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  It's the $EC my man. The networks will use their talking heads to praise the quality of play on the field, marvel at the plays' hot girlfriends, and look the other way on EVERYTHING else.
You mean like beating BB players in Nov 2012 and waiting til the tourney is over to fire the coach? Hiding pedifiles and tatoos for money didn't start down here. Oh, then there's that UNC and So Cal thing too. Spare us...
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And if this part is true it's curtains for Muschamp too.

"McNeil told Roberts he had a meeting with then-defensive coordinator Will Muschamp, now Florida's coach, in 2007.

"I had no clue what it was about because I'd never directly asked him for anything," McNeil told Roberts. "He slid about $400 over to me. He went into a drawer and gave me money and said, 'Is this enough? Is this good?' And I said, 'Yeah, I'm good.' "
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Report: Every ranked football program in the country bribes players

Source: common sense
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Touched a nerve on some of you guys? Every conference has its problem child who is guilty of extracurricular activity. The Pac has USC, the BIG has OSU etc. But right here and now, this thread is about AU. Frankly its coaches aren't dong anything that Bama and probably every other SEC school is doing. Just seems that they aren't as good at hiding it.

Do you guys really want to compare what Mike Rice did to the original topic. He threw the ball at kids, shoved them around and called them faggots. I see worse than that from dads at peewee sports ALL the time. Considering his W/L record and where we were going this past season, firing him should have been the punishment. As is he was suspended and fined. Remember everything looks really bad on a edited video tape. Just think how poorly any of us could be portrayed if we had to spend a week in front of the camera.
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Hah, If you think college football is bad, just go spend some time in DC and see how things get done. OF course, somebody needs to clean up the recruiting and academic misdeeds.
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(04-04-2013 01:40 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Touched a nerve on some of you guys? Every conference has its problem child who is guilty of extracurricular activity. The Pac has USC, the BIG has OSU etc. But right here and now, this thread is about AU. Frankly its coaches aren't dong anything that Bama and probably every other SEC school is doing. Just seems that they aren't as good at hiding it.

Do you guys really want to compare what Mike Rice did to the original topic. He threw the ball at kids, shoved them around and called them faggots. I see worse than that from dads at peewee sports ALL the time. Considering his W/L record and where we were going this past season, firing him should have been the punishment. As is he was suspended and fined. Remember everything looks really bad on a edited video tape. Just think how poorly any of us could be portrayed if we had to spend a week in front of the camera.
Let's say he busted one of your kids balls with a basketball... would that be OK? Also, if I saw a Pee Wee coach slap or kick a boy there would be major trouble... adult kind of trouble.
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What I believe is that all the coaches must be paying for athletes' tattoos. Ever notice that these kids all manage to afford thousands of bucks in ink art? Wonder where that comes from?05-stirthepot
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(04-04-2013 01:10 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Report: Every ranked football program in the country bribes players

Source: common sense

so how much is Tech giving their players?

hope it's not a lot because they're certainly not getting their money's worth then
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(04-06-2013 05:08 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  
(04-04-2013 01:10 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Report: Every ranked football program in the country bribes players

Source: common sense

so how much is Tech giving their players?

hope it's not a lot because they're certainly not getting their money's worth then

Your school gives out bogus Master's degrees and is the flagship for one if the most corrupt states in the union. Football and basketball both coached by shady drunks of questionable character. Everyone cheats; WVU is not exempt.
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(04-07-2013 06:57 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(04-06-2013 05:08 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  
(04-04-2013 01:10 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Report: Every ranked football program in the country bribes players

Source: common sense

so how much is Tech giving their players?

hope it's not a lot because they're certainly not getting their money's worth then

Your school gives out bogus Master's degrees and is the flagship for one if the most corrupt states in the union. Football and basketball both coached by shady drunks of questionable character. Everyone cheats; WVU is not exempt.

you never did answer my question

how much is Tech shelling out
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(04-07-2013 06:57 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(04-06-2013 05:08 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  
(04-04-2013 01:10 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Report: Every ranked football program in the country bribes players

Source: common sense
so how much is Tech giving their players?

hope it's not a lot because they're certainly not getting their money's worth then
Your school gives out bogus Master's degrees and is the flagship for one if the most corrupt states in the union. Football and basketball both coached by shady drunks of questionable character. Everyone cheats; WVU is not exempt.
Perhaps. But it seems that not all programs are punished equally under the law. Some programs are able to get away with things that would cause other programs to labor under restrictions that hurt their programs for years...
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