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(04-04-2013 10:32 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  
(04-04-2013 03:58 PM)GaSouthern Wrote:  NDSU and UNI could make travel partners one day

They'll make awesome travel partners in the MAC.

No they won't. They're both too far away from the MAC to even be considered. The MAC exists between Chicago and Boston. Going 500 miles west of there to add FCS move-ups with nothign to bridge the gap is not even a consideration.
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(04-05-2013 12:11 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  
(04-04-2013 10:32 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  
(04-04-2013 03:58 PM)GaSouthern Wrote:  NDSU and UNI could make travel partners one day

They'll make awesome travel partners in the MAC.

No they won't. They're both too far away from the MAC to even be considered. The MAC exists between Chicago and Boston. Going 500 miles west of there to add FCS move-ups with nothign to bridge the gap is not even a consideration.
Exactly. Northern Iowa would be a stretch, just as UMass is a stretch ~ a school in a Great Lakes state is a comfortable geographic fit. That's could be part of the source of the rumor that Illinois State has an open offer, whether or not the rumor is true.
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Does anyone besides me think JMU will live to regret that tweet? I wonder if Villanova now regrets not moving up when they had the same chance as UConn.

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(04-05-2013 02:18 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Does anyone besides me think JMU will live to regret that tweet? I wonder if Villanova now regrets not moving up when they had the same chance as UConn.
If they are invited, they can accept tweet or no tweet.

Its quite plausible that there is an argument inside the halls of JMU and that tweet was a shot fired by one side of the argument. Obviously the side that's against entry wouldn't be unhappy if it led to an invitation process unraveling.

I'd think that would be more likely to be those against transitioning at all, since for those who would prefer a different conference, JMU could always move conferences after they transition.
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JMU Board of Visitors summary posted at http://www.jmu.edu no mention of conference affiliation
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Yea I don't think a tweet is going to determine anything that happens in realignment. If in fact JMU's opinion is that they have no interest in the Sunbelt, that would make me think that the MAC has shown interest in them.
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(04-05-2013 04:01 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Yea I don't think a tweet is going to determine anything that happens in realignment. If in fact JMU's opinion is that they have no interest in the Sunbelt, that would make me think that the MAC has shown interest in them.
If Toledo would like to be in division with both the Michigan Directionals and Bowling Green, and the MAC would like that too for eliminating locked cross division games, adding a school to the east of Toledo makes that a natural.

Its not a natural road trip from a lot of the East, but then while JMU is 5:45 google drive time from Akron, Northern Iowa in Cedar Falls would be 6:38 from Western Michigan in Kalamazoo. So if no FCS school in Indiana or Illinois wants to move up, a school in the Shenandoah Valley could well get a look in.

If the MAC thought that JMU felt the MAC was the very best fit, that would be a plus, but simply being finicky about joining the Sunbelt might not be enough, since the MAC has more experience having schools leave for Conference USA or The American.
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Sounds as if it's still up in the air about JMU.
Official BOV Records doesn't mean they didn't have another meeting about it after that
or some other time.
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(04-05-2013 02:18 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Does anyone besides me think JMU will live to regret that tweet? I wonder if Villanova now regrets not moving up when they had the same chance as UConn.

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I dont think that tweet is really indicative of any real interest or not in the Sun Belt, MAC or staying CAA. Let's see what actually happens. In late May. After the Sun Belt spring meetings.

Villanova will regret IMO not moving up because the AAC is going to be just as compelling of a basketball conference as the Big East. I dont think that their FCS program is a priority (it certainly doesn't make any money) and I wouldn't be surprised to see it disbanded or sent to the Pioneer (non-scholarship) within a few seasons. They could've had a pretty nice FBS football program in similar basketball league if they'd upgraded. Their opportunity to upgrade to FBS appears to have passed for the forseeable future as no private institution has upgraded since the D1 D1AA split.
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(04-05-2013 12:11 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  
(04-04-2013 10:32 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  
(04-04-2013 03:58 PM)GaSouthern Wrote:  NDSU and UNI could make travel partners one day

They'll make awesome travel partners in the MAC.

No they won't. They're both too far away from the MAC to even be considered. The MAC exists between Chicago and Boston. Going 500 miles west of there to add FCS move-ups with nothign to bridge the gap is not even a consideration.

Which is exactly (distance) why the Sun Belt shouldn't do so either. Plus they both play in mini-domes.
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Do you realize how far apart Cedar Rapids and Fargo are? They measure the distance in light years, not miles.
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(04-03-2013 10:39 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(04-03-2013 10:22 PM)AntiG Wrote:  The MAC is the future destination for rising Northern FCS schools, especially the ones in the Northeast corridor due to having a presence there. Those teams don't want to be traveling too far for Olympic/non-revenue sports. Even if UMass and Buffalo eventually leave for warmer waters like the AAC someday, the MAC probably can recruit from rising CAA, Northeast, Missouri Valley, Patriot League, and Ohio Valley teams - namely possible risers with growth potential like JMU, Richmond, Delaware, Stony Brook, Albany and Villanova (as a football only)

The MAC has been looking at Stony Brook for 5-10 years because of the NYC market but the question with all of these schools is can they build for themselves a MAC level 20k-25k stadium? There are not many schools that can get the proper sized facility in place.

Another issue here is travel. With the exception of James Madison all potential additions to the MAC in the East take the league another 8 hours past its core 12 team footprint. Delaware is 8 hours from Ohio while JMU is only 4 hours. It almost makes more sense for the MAC to look south at Appalachian State rather than East where they can add some football muscle to the MAC East.

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it's a 5 hour drive, not 4

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(04-05-2013 06:25 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  Do you realize how far apart Cedar Rapids and Fargo are? They measure the distance in light years, not miles.
UNI's in Cedar Falls, not Rapids, but point taken. The distance is 449 miles per Google, with an interstate route through the Twin Cities.

NDSU and UNI used to be DII conference mates, but most of the other teams were in between.
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(04-05-2013 06:30 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  
(04-03-2013 10:39 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(04-03-2013 10:22 PM)AntiG Wrote:  The MAC is the future destination for rising Northern FCS schools, especially the ones in the Northeast corridor due to having a presence there. Those teams don't want to be traveling too far for Olympic/non-revenue sports. Even if UMass and Buffalo eventually leave for warmer waters like the AAC someday, the MAC probably can recruit from rising CAA, Northeast, Missouri Valley, Patriot League, and Ohio Valley teams - namely possible risers with growth potential like JMU, Richmond, Delaware, Stony Brook, Albany and Villanova (as a football only)

The MAC has been looking at Stony Brook for 5-10 years because of the NYC market but the question with all of these schools is can they build for themselves a MAC level 20k-25k stadium? There are not many schools that can get the proper sized facility in place.

Another issue here is travel. With the exception of James Madison all potential additions to the MAC in the East take the league another 8 hours past its core 12 team footprint. Delaware is 8 hours from Ohio while JMU is only 4 hours. It almost makes more sense for the MAC to look south at Appalachian State rather than East where they can add some football muscle to the MAC East.

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it's a 5 hour drive, not 4

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The way I drive I can make it in 3 hours.

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Based on the conversations I've had, reports of "zero" interest by JMU are not accurate.

JMU is not App nor Georgia Southern nor Georgia State.

Georgia State started football with the specific goal of FBS. Their planning from Day 1 was built around creating an FBS program.

Georgia Southern had studied the issue and had made the decision to go to FBS. They had reached out to the Sun Belt prior to North Texas and Florida International being invited to CUSA.

Appalachian State likewise had made up their mind to pursue FBS before the Sun Belt began considering expansion.

Of the schools that are often discussed for FBS membership I can tell you what I know of their situations.

Jacksonville State desires FBS and has been in contact with the Sun Belt on a regular basis for a number of years. They face the problem that the league already has two FBS members within the state and new member Georgia State is actually closer than the two in-state members.

Lamar desires FBS and is working toward that goal however they are unlikely to find adequate support within the Sun Belt in order to move.

Sam Houston has contemplated a move but to my knowledge has not engaged in affirmative steps indicating they are close to being ready. I believe the same is true of Stephen F. Austin.

Illinois State has a stated desire for FBS but they are a few years from being in a position to do so.

Northern Illinois has studied the issue but whether they have made the decision to move is an open question but they are not ready.

Missouri State has not made a decision to move. What they have done is make a decision to begin the process to place themselves in a position where if they make a decision to move that if can be done with little trouble and if they choose not to move they will be a FCS that is financially stronger in football than they currently are. FBS is not a priority for them at this point but they want to be in a position to have options. I am told they have not specifically rejected overtures from any FBS league nor have they indicated a desire to accept any overtures as the consider the current Division I landscape.

James Madison is weighing whether FBS fits their future. The people I talk to say they are relatively early in the process of weighing their choices. They renovated the stadium in 2011 using basically the same logic as Missouri State. The primary focus being a stronger FCS but providing themselves with the opportunity to move should they so choose and to leave the door open to have options. They have not accepted any overtures nor have they rejected them, they are analyzing what they should do.
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JMU created a major dilemma for themselves when they built the stadium. Ever since they built it the perception has been FBS. If they don't move up there wiill be a lot of angry alumni and fans.

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(04-05-2013 11:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Northern Illinois has studied the issue but whether they have made the decision to move is an open question but they are not ready.

Do you mean Northern Iowa?
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(04-06-2013 01:35 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(04-05-2013 11:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Northern Illinois has studied the issue but whether they have made the decision to move is an open question but they are not ready.

Do you mean Northern Iowa?

Yep
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(04-05-2013 11:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  ...
Jacksonville State desires FBS and has been in contact with the Sun Belt on a regular basis for a number of years. They face the problem that the league already has two FBS members within the state and new member Georgia State is actually closer than the two in-state members.
The fact that Jacksonville State is 3:28 from Troy and 4:59 from USA (google drive times), but only 1:40 from Atlanta ought to count as a plus rather than a minus for the Sunbelt. I think of the stability added to the MAC by having the three Michigan Directionals in the conference, and of the benefit of having the closest school being a potential inter-state rival.

Quote: James Madison is weighing whether FBS fits their future. The people I talk to say they are relatively early in the process of weighing their choices. They renovated the stadium in 2011 using basically the same logic as Missouri State. The primary focus being a stronger FCS but providing themselves with the opportunity to move should they so choose and to leave the door open to have options. They have not accepted any overtures nor have they rejected them, they are analyzing what they should do.
Well, the Sunbelt is not going to achieve absolute stability in the near term future, so if JMU decides to go for FBS later this year, opportunities to invite them are likely to come up down the track.

(04-05-2013 06:25 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  Do you realize how far apart Cedar Rapids and Fargo are? They measure the distance in light years, not miles.

6:36 google drive time ~ even though a road trip in one part of the country can be a Saturday afternoon drive in the Great Plains, that's still a fair piece.

If you are flying into a larger airport rather than the closest regional airport, they are both flights followed by longish bus rides, but they are't automatic travel partners in the Pac-12 USC/UCLA sense of flying into the same airport every year, just heading off to different stadiums, since the Twin Cities is not automatically the best larger airport to reach Cedar Falls / Waterloo.

For the Sunbelt, they'd both just be "a long way away", FB-only schools that Sunbelt schools would fly to regardless, but for the MAC the difference between Northern Iowa and NDSU is substantial. Cedar Falls is 3:45 to Dekalb, Illinois, and 6:38 to Kalamazoo, MI, while Fargo is 8:57 to Dekalb, IL and 11:51 to Kalamazoo, MI.
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