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Shy OT/Rutgers fires Mike Rice...
This was a cover your butt move...really the President & AD need to be look @ as well...
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Pernetti's job will probably be looked at. His interview yesterday was shaky at best. You could tell he was very nervous and was aware the media knew he tried to sweep it under the rug.
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Once the governor of your state starts to chime in, your employment with the state is over.

The heat lamp is now on the AD. The firing may spare him in the relative short term but he should get that resume ready.
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(04-03-2013 09:30 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Pernetti's job will probably be looked at. His interview yesterday was shaky at best. You could tell he was very nervous and was aware the media knew he tried to sweep it under the rug.

Why would the Rutgers Admin. allow him to do that interview? To watch him fall and give them cover for his eventual termination, some time this month, probably.
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So it's the right decision after the video blows up in the media???

Pernetti needs to be suspended immediately. Or take a leave of absence.... and a long, LONG, leave at that. How this bull**** was tolerated for months on end is beyond me.
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(04-03-2013 09:30 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Pernetti's job will probably be looked at. His interview yesterday was shaky at best. You could tell he was very nervous and was aware the media knew he tried to sweep it under the rug.

I wouldn't call it sweeping it under the rug. They announced what Rice had done back in December and announced corrective actions. After seeing the tapes Rice should have been fired on the spot, but in no way was there a cover up of this situation.

If I were Pernetti I would have released the tapes myself (first rule of damage control, get the story out yourself and you control the narrative) and I would have fired Rice for cause. Pernetti bungled this no doubt, but I think he did so largely in a well intentioned manner.
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(04-03-2013 09:50 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  So it's the right decision after the video blows up in the media???

Pernetti needs to be suspended immediately. Or take a leave of absence.... and a long, LONG, leave at that. How this bull**** was tolerated for months on end is beyond me.

I agree, I don't think Pernetti should fired though. I do think some sort of punishment is warranted.
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Pernetti said "It was his 1st incident" and then followed it with "we found the pattern of behavior..." Uh, it's long past the first incident when you've been able to determine a pattern of behavior. That's a blantant cover up and misstep with words.
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(04-03-2013 09:53 AM)brista21 Wrote:  
(04-03-2013 09:30 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Pernetti's job will probably be looked at. His interview yesterday was shaky at best. You could tell he was very nervous and was aware the media knew he tried to sweep it under the rug.

I wouldn't call it sweeping it under the rug. They announced what Rice had done back in December and announced corrective actions. After seeing the tapes Rice should have been fired on the spot, but in no way was there a cover up of this situation.

If I were Pernetti I would have released the tapes myself (first rule of damage control, get the story out yourself and you control the narrative) and I would have fired Rice for cause. Pernetti bungled this no doubt, but I think he did so largely in a well intentioned manner.

No cover up, huh? WFAN reports that Murdock's lawyer asked Rutgers for $1M to keep quiet, and they countered with $200K. You don't counter-offer if you believe you have nothing to hide.
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wow, whoever countered with the 200K offer is in big trouble. This could make a nice movie, guess you might need some hollywood fake add-ons, like a final four run and some mob connections but with some of the real plot.
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(04-03-2013 10:01 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-03-2013 09:53 AM)brista21 Wrote:  
(04-03-2013 09:30 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Pernetti's job will probably be looked at. His interview yesterday was shaky at best. You could tell he was very nervous and was aware the media knew he tried to sweep it under the rug.

I wouldn't call it sweeping it under the rug. They announced what Rice had done back in December and announced corrective actions. After seeing the tapes Rice should have been fired on the spot, but in no way was there a cover up of this situation.

If I were Pernetti I would have released the tapes myself (first rule of damage control, get the story out yourself and you control the narrative) and I would have fired Rice for cause. Pernetti bungled this no doubt, but I think he did so largely in a well intentioned manner.

No cover up, huh? WFAN reports that Murdock's lawyer asked Rutgers for $1M to keep quiet, and they countered with $200K. You don't counter-offer if you believe you have nothing to hide.

If Murdock had such a problem with Rice, he should have told the administration BEFORE he was fired, oh yeah, and not try to blackmail them. Sour grapes much? Not saying I agree with the way Rice treated his players, but Murdock is a scumbag in this too.
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I really don't get why there's a big uproar over this. 9/10 of that video is things that half the coaches in America do/say on a regular basis.

You don't fire somebody without a warning unless they do something extreme. While he certainly deserved to be suspended, none of the things in that video are extreme enough to warrant firing without a warning.

This is a classic example of media sensationalism of everyday behavior, and we're all supposed to be "outraged." But I guarantee that most of the folks who are outraged either never played sports or forgot that they had several coaches who were almost like this. It's usually not the most effective strategy, but that's a completely different debate.

I also found it amusing that one version of the story stated that his original suspension was for using a homophobic slur. PC bs.
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(04-03-2013 11:48 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I really don't get why there's a big uproar over this. 9/10 of that video is things that half the coaches in America do/say on a regular basis.

I would give a little more credit to coaches in America for not physically grabbing kids and throwing balls at their heads. Even then, regardless of whether this behavior happens elsewhere, he got caught on videotape doing it all where others haven't. Any employer (much less a public flagship university) that keeps an employee that does this with documented video evidence is potentially subject to some major litigation. If you want to say that a lot worse happens elsewhere, well, you can also say that people have been fired for a LOT less.

Quote:You don't fire somebody without a warning unless they do something extreme. While he certainly deserved to be suspended, none of the things in that video are extreme enough to warrant firing without a warning.

I would disagree with that. I've heard a lot of bad language in my day from coaches, but kicking players and throwing balls at kids' heads should not be tolerated. On the street, that's assault.

Quote:This is a classic example of media sensationalism of everyday behavior, and we're all supposed to be "outraged." But I guarantee that most of the folks who are outraged either never played sports or forgot that they had several coaches who were almost like this. It's usually not the most effective strategy, but that's a completely different debate.

Like I've said, I had a lot of coaches swear and scream, but never physically kick or throw balls at players. Even then, just because this behavior might have been acceptable in the past (I'm 35 years old) doesn't mean that it's acceptable in the present any more than racial comments that were acceptable in the past might be acceptable now.

Quote:I also found it amusing that one version of the story stated that his original suspension was for using a homophobic slur. PC bs.

The N-word used to be socially acceptable to be used in my parent's generation. Now it's not, and frankly, we're better for it. Likewise, the F-word as it relates to homosexuals used to be socially acceptable to be used when I was growing up as a slur. We're at the point where it's becoming unacceptable, and frankly, we'll be better for it. Rice is a public employee in a position of authority at a public university, so regardless of what one personally thinks of gay rights politically, if a professor or any other university employee would have been suspended for using that slur under that university's anti-discrimination policy (which is pretty common), then that has to be applied equally to everyone, including the basketball coach. There's also a much different standard of what's "PC" in an open forum (e.g. I just saw The Book of Mormon and it was among the most hilarious 2 hours of my life with about as much politically incorrect material that you could possibly imagine and then some) versus being a in a work environment or where you are in a position of authority over employees, students, or in this case, athletes who, if they complain, risk getting their scholarships yanked or, at best, have to transfer and sit out a year. People in authority positions are held to a higher standard under the law (much less from a moral and ethical standpoint).

There's no defense to this. None. "It happens everywhere else", "it used to happen to me in the past", or "I'm not offended when someone says f*ggot" are not viable excuses.
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(04-03-2013 09:53 AM)brista21 Wrote:  
(04-03-2013 09:30 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Pernetti's job will probably be looked at. His interview yesterday was shaky at best. You could tell he was very nervous and was aware the media knew he tried to sweep it under the rug.
I wouldn't call it sweeping it under the rug. They announced what Rice had done back in December and announced corrective actions. After seeing the tapes Rice should have been fired on the spot, but in no way was there a cover up of this situation.

If I were Pernetti I would have released the tapes myself (first rule of damage control, get the story out yourself and you control the narrative) and I would have fired Rice for cause. Pernetti bungled this no doubt, but I think he did so largely in a well intentioned manner.
The fact that this was known about prior to the end of the regular season and no action was taken until just now, 3 months after the fact, probably means Pernetti will be out the door when all is said and done. He should have taken this action long ago - and didn't - which was stupid on his part...

That kind of stupidity is unforgivable in an Athletic Director, and the President could be held accountable as well. Both knew about this situation - and sat on it for 3 months, only taking action after it came to light in the public eye...

IMO this doesn't bode well for anyone involved, and it certainly doesn't make Rutgers look good to any athletes. I know if my children were getting ready to choose a university to play sports for right now, Rutgers wouldn't look very appealing to me, no matter how good the educational value might be...
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The Rutgers president is now saying he ddin't see the video until yesterday. That's not a positive development for Pernetti if true.
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(04-03-2013 01:38 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  The Rutgers president is now saying he ddin't see the video until yesterday. That's not a positive development for Pernetti if true.
It doesn't look good for the President either. He should be aware of what's going on at his university. It makes him look stupid and incompetent...
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(04-03-2013 01:34 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  [quote='brista21' pid='9190457' dateline='1365000812'][quote='apex_pirate' pid='9190304' dateline='1364999450']quote]

Both knew about this situation - and sat on it for 3 months, only taking action after it came to light in the public eye...

This is simply not correct. As soon as the info came to light, they hired a special investigor and then took significant remedial action after reviewing the report and the tapes. This was done in December. No info was sat on. In fact, if you read the December press coverage of this, what is described is what the tapes show. Now of course a picture tells a thousand words and makes it much worse. Also, re the above post that the RU prez is now saying he never saw the tapes. This also is not correct. The prez is saying he originally only saw excerpts and just recently saw all the footage. What he was shown is unknown, but I'd be willing to bet TP showed him the bad stuff. At the end of the day, TP did nothing immoral. He made an error in judgment by trying to rehabilitate the coach, but he didn't try to cover up anything. Yes, I thought Rice should have been fired in December, but, instead TP gave him a second chance with some very significant strings attached. TP made a mistake and has now admitted as much. It would be a real travesty for him to be fired IMO.
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seriouly doubt tim gets fired over this. tape doesn't look good, but in the big picture the infractions are minor.
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(04-03-2013 09:37 AM)indydoug Wrote:  
(04-03-2013 09:30 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Pernetti's job will probably be looked at. His interview yesterday was shaky at best. You could tell he was very nervous and was aware the media knew he tried to sweep it under the rug.

Why would the Rutgers Admin. allow him to do that interview? To watch him fall and give them cover for his eventual termination, some time this month, probably.

I have worked in PR for a number of years and I had the same thoughts yesterday as I watched that interview. I kept asking myself, "What on Earth would possess Pernetti to grant this interview to ESPN and also why would Rutgers allow him to do it?"

I still have no idea how to answer the first half of that question but my suspicion is that Pernetti's bosses allowed it to take some of the heat off themselves.

An absolutely HORRIBLE idea on RU's part, IMHO. They should have run for the hills on that interview and addressed it through statements and in other ways. Well, they SHOULD have just fired Rice in December and addressed it then. However, once they failed to do that, they should NOT have gone on OTL and fought the battle there. That was just plain stupid.
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(04-03-2013 01:59 PM)RMSko Wrote:  
(04-03-2013 01:34 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Both knew about this situation - and sat on it for 3 months, only taking action after it came to light in the public eye...
This is simply not correct. As soon as the info came to light, they hired a special investigor and then took significant remedial action after reviewing the report and the tapes. This was done in December. No info was sat on. In fact, if you read the December press coverage of this, what is described is what the tapes show. Now of course a picture tells a thousand words and makes it much worse. Also, re the above post that the RU prez is now saying he never saw the tapes. This also is not correct. The prez is saying he originally only saw excerpts and just recently saw all the footage. What he was shown is unknown, but I'd be willing to bet TP showed him the bad stuff. At the end of the day, TP did nothing immoral. He made an error in judgment by trying to rehabilitate the coach, but he didn't try to cover up anything. Yes, I thought Rice should have been fired in December, but, instead TP gave him a second chance with some very significant strings attached. TP made a mistake and has now admitted as much. It would be a real travesty for him to be fired IMO.
Rice should have been fired immediately upon seeing his action. They didn't. They sat around and debated what action to take, and are now reaping the benefits of their stupidity and procrastination...

Whatever you think, they did sit on this issue. Rice should have been suspended as soon as this was brought to their attention and then they could have considered what action to take without any repercussions coming back upon them. But they continued to allow him access to kids he had been abusing, so I don't see your point at all. It makes no sense to me at all...
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