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Denver may be feeling the squeeze now. Several teams ahead of them for the MVC opening, the WCC not calling, the WAC doesn't appeal to them with Grand Canyon or Chicago State, the "bus league" making request of them, and the Summit sees Oakland who has one foot out the door.
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Denver reportedly rejected the MVC a few weeks back. I think they were very high on the list when it came to replacing Creighton. If it had to be a private, I think they were the fan favorite.
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(04-01-2013 04:57 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  Denver reportedly rejected the MVC a few weeks back. I think they were very high on the list when it came to replacing Creighton. If it had to be a private, I think they were the fan favorite.

I've heard that but still don't believe it. They're a bunch of fools if they did turn the MVC down.
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I figured the best option would be at add 3: Belmont, Oral Roberts and Denver. UMKC? That should be an april fool's joke, they are horrible.
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UMKC though? from the Summit League to the MVC04-jawdrop

I get Valpo, maybe UIC (can't believe though that Bradley, ISU & SIU would want a 4th team in Illinois). UMKC is a small school that hasn't done much in the Summit League, how many games would they win in the MVC?

Moving to the WAC is a strange one also, thought programs were looking to jump ship out of that conference. Chicago State would be their closest rival
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(04-01-2013 02:50 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Could be bad news for the WAC, which got a big shot in the arm by luring UMKC away from the Summit. Valpo wouldn't bring the MVC a big market, and Loyola and UI-C are overshadowed by NBA and D-1 competitors in Chicago. But UMKC is the biggest school in a sizable Kansas City market and has no direct NBA or D-1 competition (although obviously there are plenty of Missouri, Kansas and K-State fans there). It will be interesting to see what happens.

Valpo is located in Porter County Indiana (population 250K plus) and next to LarPorte(150K+ & Lake Counties(500K+). They are the only D1 hoops program in Northwest Indiana. Of course this would give Indiana 3 MVC teams which may be too many.
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So what happened to Wisconsin-Milwaukee or Wisconsin-Green Bay?
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(04-01-2013 08:38 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  So what happened to Wisconsin-Milwaukee or Wisconsin-Green Bay?

I've never heard Green Bay mentioned...I guess Milwaukee did get at least a call from the MVC.
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(04-01-2013 08:38 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  So what happened to Wisconsin-Milwaukee or Wisconsin-Green Bay?
Don't think UWGB was ever in the conversation. For UWM to work well, a Chicagoland school is needed first.
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(04-01-2013 02:26 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Like I've said before, the major issue for the MVC has been that they don't have direct access to major TV and recruiting markets. The list doesn't surprise me (even if they are lacking in on-the-court accomplishments).

Hey, Loyola won a national title 50 years ago then later got a top 4-seed and advanced to the Sweet 16 25-30 years ago. Adding them would strengthen the Valley's rich basketball history unlike usual first weekend flameout Creighton.

(04-01-2013 02:50 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Could be bad news for the WAC, which got a big shot in the arm by luring UMKC away from the Summit. Valpo wouldn't bring the MVC a big market, and Loyola and UI-C are overshadowed by NBA and D-1 competitors in Chicago. But UMKC is the biggest school in a sizable Kansas City market and has no direct NBA or D-1 competition (although obviously there are plenty of Missouri, Kansas and K-State fans there). It will be interesting to see what happens.

You do realize Lawrence, Kansas is only about 40 miles away and is very much driveable for most KC area residents, especially on the Kansas side, right?
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I would think St Louis & Dayton would get 1st look.
even with BE talking to them
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(04-01-2013 06:38 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  
(04-01-2013 02:50 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Could be bad news for the WAC, which got a big shot in the arm by luring UMKC away from the Summit. Valpo wouldn't bring the MVC a big market, and Loyola and UI-C are overshadowed by NBA and D-1 competitors in Chicago. But UMKC is the biggest school in a sizable Kansas City market and has no direct NBA or D-1 competition (although obviously there are plenty of Missouri, Kansas and K-State fans there). It will be interesting to see what happens.

Valpo is located in Porter County Indiana (population 250K plus) and next to LarPorte(150K+ & Lake Counties(500K+). They are the only D1 hoops program in Northwest Indiana. Of course this would give Indiana 3 MVC teams which may be too many.

I guess it depends on your definition of "big market". There are over 2 million in the KC metro area.
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(04-01-2013 10:50 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  
(04-01-2013 02:50 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Could be bad news for the WAC, which got a big shot in the arm by luring UMKC away from the Summit. Valpo wouldn't bring the MVC a big market, and Loyola and UI-C are overshadowed by NBA and D-1 competitors in Chicago. But UMKC is the biggest school in a sizable Kansas City market and has no direct NBA or D-1 competition (although obviously there are plenty of Missouri, Kansas and K-State fans there). It will be interesting to see what happens.

You do realize Lawrence, Kansas is only about 40 miles away and is very much driveable for most KC area residents, especially on the Kansas side, right?

I knew it wasn't far away, hence my comment about Kansas fans in KC. But I didn't know it was that close. Your point is well-taken, that's pretty direct competition.
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(04-01-2013 11:33 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I would think St Louis & Dayton would get 1st look.
even with BE talking to them

Even if the Big East doesn't take them (and I firmly believe that it's a matter of when for SLU for sure with the decision being between Dayton and Richmond for #12), the MVC isn't going to have any poaching ability over the A-10. In fact, the MVC is much more susceptible to the A-10 poaching them. University presidents are almost universally eastward looking in their outlook and the A-10 is still a stronger on-the-court conference overall even if they lose SLU and Dayton. What the MVC should want is for the Big East to stop dilly-dallying with SLU. If SLU is in the A-10 long-term, then that gives the A-10 the incentive to start trying to take MVC members like Wichita State and Bradley instead of backfilling from the CAA. This is another reason why the Chicago area schools (UIC, Loyola and Valpo) are pieces that have greater value in the midmajor conference realignment game than what many people are giving them credit for. The better fan bases might be in the small markets of the MVC, but there's just no way that any A-10 school (including SLU and Dayton) are trading the exposure they're getting in Philly, DC and NYC for a league where the largest market is Wichita. No university president thinks that way. I'm not someone that believes in the power of adding markets for the sake of adding markets like a lot of realignment observers, but in the case of the MVC, their complete lack of any markets of value at all is a massive long-term threat to their stability. Frankly, it's been amazing that the league has performed as well as it has, but the extremely poor demographics of its footprint (I'm not exaggerating when I say that it might have the worst demographics of any Division I conference) is going to catch up to them if it's not changed.
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(04-02-2013 07:42 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(04-01-2013 11:33 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I would think St Louis & Dayton would get 1st look.
even with BE talking to them

Even if the Big East doesn't take them (and I firmly believe that it's a matter of when for SLU for sure with the decision being between Dayton and Richmond for #12), the MVC isn't going to have any poaching ability over the A-10. In fact, the MVC is much more susceptible to the A-10 poaching them. University presidents are almost universally eastward looking in their outlook and the A-10 is still a stronger on-the-court conference overall even if they lose SLU and Dayton. What the MVC should want is for the Big East to stop dilly-dallying with SLU. If SLU is in the A-10 long-term, then that gives the A-10 the incentive to start trying to take MVC members like Wichita State and Bradley instead of backfilling from the CAA. This is another reason why the Chicago area schools (UIC, Loyola and Valpo) are pieces that have greater value in the midmajor conference realignment game than what many people are giving them credit for. The better fan bases might be in the small markets of the MVC, but there's just no way that any A-10 school (including SLU and Dayton) are trading the exposure they're getting in Philly, DC and NYC for a league where the largest market is Wichita. No university president thinks that way. I'm not someone that believes in the power of adding markets for the sake of adding markets like a lot of realignment observers, but in the case of the MVC, their complete lack of any markets of value at all is a massive long-term threat to their stability. Frankly, it's been amazing that the league has performed as well as it has, but the extremely poor demographics of its footprint (I'm not exaggerating when I say that it might have the worst demographics of any Division I conference) is going to catch up to them if it's not changed.
I have to respectfully disagree. The A10 without SLU, Dayton, Butler and Xavier isn't a better on the court product. I know the MVC went through a couple of weak years recently, but they've still be right behind the A10. And I know losing Creighton hurts the way we're viewed, but the MVC is a lot stronger as a whole than many realize. Generally speaking, the bottom of our conference isn't that bad. The past few years would say otherwise, but that' more outside the norm than many realize.

And if SLU is gone, I'm not sure there's anyway that the A10 could pull in teams from the MVC. There's simply too large of a gap for most after that, unless they went after an Indiana State or Evansville. UE would make no sense whatsoever. ISUb would be a stretch in my mind. And that would only be possible I think if Dayton were left behind. If both Dayton and SLU are gone, the closes school to the MVC schools would be in Pittsburg I believe.

I'm still shocked at the reports of Denver declining consideration. Shocked and disappointed. There was a tweet someone posted on ShockerNet earlier from I believe the Missouri State President that talked about only visiting schools who've expressed interest and not wasting time with those that haven't. I'm not sure if that means they're only visiting those who've contacted them or if they did reach out to Denver and try to talk, but the list of names that have popped up in the past week aren't that attractive.

I could maybe buy into Valpo. Solid program. Attendance is okay. It'd be yet another Indiana school though. But it's still probably the most attractive.

ORU has some history. Not sure what their potential is right now though.

UIC/Loyola neither have a recent history of any success that I'm aware of. Not sure what their financial commitment is. And I don't like the idea of a 4th school in Illinois. Even if it is in Chicago.

UMKC....

I haven't seen Belmont mentioned lately but they had questions surrounding them as well. Horrible attendance numbers make you take pause and wonder what their ceiling really is.

I haven't seen any other names lately which disappoints me and leads me to continue hoping that Wichita finds another conference willing to take on a nonfootball school. I like the MVC, but if this is the pool we're selecting from, I'm starting to lose hope.
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(04-02-2013 02:27 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I have to respectfully disagree. The A10 without SLU, Dayton, Butler and Xavier isn't a better on the court product. I know the MVC went through a couple of weak years recently, but they've still be right behind the A10. And I know losing Creighton hurts the way we're viewed, but the MVC is a lot stronger as a whole than many realize. Generally speaking, the bottom of our conference isn't that bad. The past few years would say otherwise, but that' more outside the norm than many realize.

And if SLU is gone, I'm not sure there's anyway that the A10 could pull in teams from the MVC. There's simply too large of a gap for most after that, unless they went after an Indiana State or Evansville. UE would make no sense whatsoever. ISUb would be a stretch in my mind. And that would only be possible I think if Dayton were left behind. If both Dayton and SLU are gone, the closes school to the MVC schools would be in Pittsburg I believe.

I'm still shocked at the reports of Denver declining consideration. Shocked and disappointed. There was a tweet someone posted on ShockerNet earlier from I believe the Missouri State President that talked about only visiting schools who've expressed interest and not wasting time with those that haven't. I'm not sure if that means they're only visiting those who've contacted them or if they did reach out to Denver and try to talk, but the list of names that have popped up in the past week aren't that attractive.

I could maybe buy into Valpo. Solid program. Attendance is okay. It'd be yet another Indiana school though. But it's still probably the most attractive.

ORU has some history. Not sure what their potential is right now though.

UIC/Loyola neither have a recent history of any success that I'm aware of. Not sure what their financial commitment is. And I don't like the idea of a 4th school in Illinois. Even if it is in Chicago.

UMKC....

I haven't seen Belmont mentioned lately but they had questions surrounding them as well. Horrible attendance numbers make you take pause and wonder what their ceiling really is.

I haven't seen any other names lately which disappoints me and leads me to continue hoping that Wichita finds another conference willing to take on a nonfootball school. I like the MVC, but if this is the pool we're selecting from, I'm starting to lose hope.

There's a pretty big drop after Wichita State in the MVC. The A-10 is still going to have VCU, one of either Dayton or Richmond, and typically at least one of the Philly schools is competitive in any given year. Schools like UMass and URI might be down right now, but those are still the types of schools that you'd rather bank on coming back (well-funded public flagships) than smaller directional schools. The worst program in the A-10 is arguably Fordham, which is at least a highly regarded academic school in New York City (so it's program that still provides some type of value off-the-court).

I agree that it's tougher for the A-10 to poach the MVC without SLU (which is why I said that the best thing for the MVC is for the Big East to add SLU ASAP as opposed to waiting around while the A-10 reloads with other Midwestern schools), but there's just no chance of the MVC taking anyone from the A-10.

What I have heard about Denver is less about them rejecting the MVC, but rather the MVC wanting Denver to commit to adding more sports in exchange for an invite, which Denver doesn't appear willing to do. If it were strictly about basketball, I think Denver would be insane not to take an MVC invite, but it doesn't seem to be just about basketball here. I'm not sure why the MVC doesn't want Belmont outside of stretching the geography - they have attendance on par with Loyola and UIC yet have a much stronger basketball program. It has to be the geography issue there if the MVC seriously isn't considering them.

I understand the disappointment with who is being talked about, but the reality is that the MVC doesn't have that many options. It could theoretically stay at 9 schools, but that leaves them extremely susceptible to more poaching in the future. The Horizon League is finding that out now when it didn't go for reinforcements immediately after Butler left and is now in the crosshairs of at least the MVC and possible the A-10. All the candidates seem to have at least one or more major flaws, whether it's on-the-court performance or attendance. The school that arguably has the best combo of those two factors (Murray State) has one of the least desirable markets of the candidates (probably the worst out of anyone outside of the Dakota schools).

So, if I'm running the MVC, it's more about shoring up the worst weaknesses of the conference than adding at the top considering the realistic candidates out there. If there really isn't any school that will clearly drive up the on-the-court quality (even the "best" candidates in terms of W/L records and RPI over the 5 to 10 years seem to be mediocre at best), then the off-the-court metrics (TV market, recruiting areas, academics) become much more important. That's why it doesn't shock me at all to see a list of schools based in the Chicago and KC markets as targets. A school like Murray State doesn't help where the MVC is weakest, which is long-term demographics, and that type of school isn't a Creighton/Wichita State-level on-the-court program that is great enough to overcome a small market. I'm not saying this is fun for a fan who just wants to watch good basketball, but the university presidents are likely thinking this way.
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(04-02-2013 03:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(04-02-2013 02:27 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I have to respectfully disagree. The A10 without SLU, Dayton, Butler and Xavier isn't a better on the court product. I know the MVC went through a couple of weak years recently, but they've still be right behind the A10. And I know losing Creighton hurts the way we're viewed, but the MVC is a lot stronger as a whole than many realize. Generally speaking, the bottom of our conference isn't that bad. The past few years would say otherwise, but that' more outside the norm than many realize.

And if SLU is gone, I'm not sure there's anyway that the A10 could pull in teams from the MVC. There's simply too large of a gap for most after that, unless they went after an Indiana State or Evansville. UE would make no sense whatsoever. ISUb would be a stretch in my mind. And that would only be possible I think if Dayton were left behind. If both Dayton and SLU are gone, the closes school to the MVC schools would be in Pittsburg I believe.

I'm still shocked at the reports of Denver declining consideration. Shocked and disappointed. There was a tweet someone posted on ShockerNet earlier from I believe the Missouri State President that talked about only visiting schools who've expressed interest and not wasting time with those that haven't. I'm not sure if that means they're only visiting those who've contacted them or if they did reach out to Denver and try to talk, but the list of names that have popped up in the past week aren't that attractive.

I could maybe buy into Valpo. Solid program. Attendance is okay. It'd be yet another Indiana school though. But it's still probably the most attractive.

ORU has some history. Not sure what their potential is right now though.

UIC/Loyola neither have a recent history of any success that I'm aware of. Not sure what their financial commitment is. And I don't like the idea of a 4th school in Illinois. Even if it is in Chicago.

UMKC....

I haven't seen Belmont mentioned lately but they had questions surrounding them as well. Horrible attendance numbers make you take pause and wonder what their ceiling really is.

I haven't seen any other names lately which disappoints me and leads me to continue hoping that Wichita finds another conference willing to take on a nonfootball school. I like the MVC, but if this is the pool we're selecting from, I'm starting to lose hope.

There's a pretty big drop after Wichita State in the MVC. The A-10 is still going to have VCU, one of either Dayton or Richmond, and typically at least one of the Philly schools is competitive in any given year. Schools like UMass and URI might be down right now, but those are still the types of schools that you'd rather bank on coming back (well-funded public flagships) than smaller directional schools. The worst program in the A-10 is arguably Fordham, which is at least a highly regarded academic school in New York City (so it's program that still provides some type of value off-the-court).

I agree that it's tougher for the A-10 to poach the MVC without SLU (which is why I said that the best thing for the MVC is for the Big East to add SLU ASAP as opposed to waiting around while the A-10 reloads with other Midwestern schools), but there's just no chance of the MVC taking anyone from the A-10.

What I have heard about Denver is less about them rejecting the MVC, but rather the MVC wanting Denver to commit to adding more sports in exchange for an invite, which Denver doesn't appear willing to do. If it were strictly about basketball, I think Denver would be insane not to take an MVC invite, but it doesn't seem to be just about basketball here. I'm not sure why the MVC doesn't want Belmont outside of stretching the geography - they have attendance on par with Loyola and UIC yet have a much stronger basketball program. It has to be the geography issue there if the MVC seriously isn't considering them.

I understand the disappointment with who is being talked about, but the reality is that the MVC doesn't have that many options. It could theoretically stay at 9 schools, but that leaves them extremely susceptible to more poaching in the future. The Horizon League is finding that out now when it didn't go for reinforcements immediately after Butler left and is now in the crosshairs of at least the MVC and possible the A-10. All the candidates seem to have at least one or more major flaws, whether it's on-the-court performance or attendance. The school that arguably has the best combo of those two factors (Murray State) has one of the least desirable markets of the candidates (probably the worst out of anyone outside of the Dakota schools).

So, if I'm running the MVC, it's more about shoring up the worst weaknesses of the conference than adding at the top considering the realistic candidates out there. If there really isn't any school that will clearly drive up the on-the-court quality (even the "best" candidates in terms of W/L records and RPI over the 5 to 10 years seem to be mediocre at best), then the off-the-court metrics (TV market, recruiting areas, academics) become much more important. That's why it doesn't shock me at all to see a list of schools based in the Chicago and KC markets as targets. A school like Murray State doesn't help where the MVC is weakest, which is long-term demographics, and that type of school isn't a Creighton/Wichita State-level on-the-court program that is great enough to overcome a small market. I'm not saying this is fun for a fan who just wants to watch good basketball, but the university presidents are likely thinking this way.
Fair enough. And I'll say that I don't follow the A10 closely. But I'd put Bradley as a whole on par with any of the others outside of VCU. I also believe Illinois State is in that realm as is UNI. We definitely lack markets as I believe Wichita is the largest, but that shouldn't be the driving force for the MVC.

If it's true that Denver was pushed out because of a demand to add sports, shame on the MVC. They would have been a great addition. I still wish Arlington would have been looked into. They have kind of followed a Denver like approach in investment and improvement. They also put you in a good market and are much better than those being considered on the court.

I've pretty much convinced myself that any addition at this point is going to suck on just about every possible level. Which is why I'm hoping we have an opportunity to land elsewhere.

Doug Elgin is an idiot.
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(04-02-2013 03:22 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  Fair enough. And I'll say that I don't follow the A10 closely. But I'd put Bradley as a whole on par with any of the others outside of VCU. I also believe Illinois State is in that realm as is UNI. We definitely lack markets as I believe Wichita is the largest, but that shouldn't be the driving force for the MVC.

If it's true that Denver was pushed out because of a demand to add sports, shame on the MVC. They would have been a great addition. I still wish Arlington would have been looked into. They have kind of followed a Denver like approach in investment and improvement. They also put you in a good market and are much better than those being considered on the court.

I've pretty much convinced myself that any addition at this point is going to suck on just about every possible level. Which is why I'm hoping we have an opportunity to land elsewhere.

Doug Elgin is an idiot.

The former and current MVC Presidents have more to do with the MVC's predicaments than Elgin ever did. Look at Evansville, Drake, and SIU. If it's true that SIU is having athletic funding issues, the MVC has a lot of internal issues that need to be addressed.

Hope that the Shockers can get an invite to the CTBA and restore their rivalry with Tulsa.
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RE: UIC, Loyola, UMKC, Valpo finalists for MVC Creighton slot
(04-02-2013 06:53 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-02-2013 03:22 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  Fair enough. And I'll say that I don't follow the A10 closely. But I'd put Bradley as a whole on par with any of the others outside of VCU. I also believe Illinois State is in that realm as is UNI. We definitely lack markets as I believe Wichita is the largest, but that shouldn't be the driving force for the MVC.

If it's true that Denver was pushed out because of a demand to add sports, shame on the MVC. They would have been a great addition. I still wish Arlington would have been looked into. They have kind of followed a Denver like approach in investment and improvement. They also put you in a good market and are much better than those being considered on the court.

I've pretty much convinced myself that any addition at this point is going to suck on just about every possible level. Which is why I'm hoping we have an opportunity to land elsewhere.

Doug Elgin is an idiot.

The former and current MVC Presidents have more to do with the MVC's predicaments than Elgin ever did. Look at Evansville, Drake, and SIU. If it's true that SIU is having athletic funding issues, the MVC has a lot of internal issues that need to be addressed.

Hope that the Shockers can get an invite to the CTBA and restore their rivalry with Tulsa.

They defintely share in the blame, but Elgin has never struck me as a risk taker or true leader. Perhaps the presidents make him that way, I don't know.

Financial issues are definitely an issue at a number of our schools. SIU overpayed for a coach that destroyed their program and now that coach is taking them to court for payment. Evansville and Indiana State can't spend much more than they already are. MSU has had its financial issues. There's been talk that UNI is stretched thin. Drake...is Drake. Bradley is the only other school I feel fairly confident about financially. Illinois State may be okay, I have no idea.

Which is another reason I'm not big on most of the schools being talked about for addition. Almost every one of them are small schools with small budgets.

It'd be great if this Final Four run could get us in with one of the other conferences, but I'm not holding my breath.
04-03-2013 09:31 AM
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