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RE: JMU - Whats the Plan
I don't think JMU goes to Sunbelt anymore. I think that will end up being Liberty. But I can see the MAC or even CUSA for JMU now.
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(03-26-2013 03:30 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(03-26-2013 03:25 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  http://www.jmusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=206935161

VERY different tune out of JMU today. We have been the biggest supporters of the CAA. That changed this afternoon.

If they are waiting until this summer to complete their strategic plan they won't be ready to pull the gun on a move to FBS this spring.

It sounds like JMU is going to end up stuck in a watered down version of the CAA unfortunately.

Did you miss this part? Pretty telling to me..

While this process is set to conclude this summer, our planning is fluid and will help position and prepare us for important long-term decisions that are in the best interest of our student-athletes, coaches and the institution.
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The commission has been working for over a year now in developing the future plans of athletics. I do believe one of the goals from the Madison commission was to get JMU to FBS to hlep with the overall national university status.
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(03-26-2013 03:39 PM)jmufan Wrote:  The commission has been working for over a year now in developing the future plans of athletics. I do believe one of the goals from the Madison commission was to get JMU to FBS to hlep with the overall national university status.

If so, C-USA may be the place to be.

UTSA is a start up program.
Charlotte is a start up program.
Old Dominion is a start up program.

Travel is going to be an issue due to television revenue. So, anchoring the school around Marshall, Middle Tennessee State (Nashville), Old Dominion, Charlotte, Florida Atlantic, and Florida International seems to create a nice footprint for the eastern schools.

East- ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, James Madison, MTSU, FIU, FAU
West- UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice, USM, Louisiana Tech, UAB

Going 16

East- ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, James Madison, FIU, FAU, WKU, MTSU
West- UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice, USM, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana (LA-LA), UAB

Face it, the new Big East (A12) will need bowl opponents.
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(03-26-2013 03:25 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  http://www.jmusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=206935161

VERY different tune out of JMU today. We have been the biggest supporters of the CAA. That changed this afternoon.

This is a VERY different tune indeed. Carr Sports Consulting, among other things, does FCS to FBS transition feasibilty reports.
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I'm very happy with this statement by JMU today. Lets hope they're not just blowing smoke up our asses. The good news is our notoriously cheap admin would not be paying a consulting firm just to tell them to stay in Fcs. They could figure that out on their own.
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It would be shocking if CUSA brought in JMU. The last six additions - ODU, MTSU, NT, FiU, FAU and UTSA are all in or near large media markets. If they want a ready to go competitive sports program, then Western Kentucky makes more sense along the lines of LaTech. Plus the ODU AD came from western Kentucky so he would likely pull for them over adding a 4th instate FBS program.

The Sunbelt is the most likely scenario but JMU might not fit culturally.

The MAC would be the best fit and a best case scenario for JMU.
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(03-26-2013 06:57 PM)ODU2003 Wrote:  It would be shocking if CUSA brought in JMU. The last six additions - ODU, MTSU, NT, FiU, FAU and UTSA are all in or near large media markets. If they want a ready to go competitive sports program, then Western Kentucky makes more sense along the lines of LaTech. Plus the ODU AD came from western Kentucky so he would likely pull for them over adding a 4th instate FBS program.

The Sunbelt is the most likely scenario but JMU might not fit culturally.

The MAC would be the best fit and a best case scenario for JMU.
Pretty much all major media markets with a viable program are now covered in CUSA. They'll take teams that will be competitive/create fan interest and rivalries. If we go to 16, I think JMU would be a fine addition in the east. The east would be very compact with only FAU and FIU being big outliers.
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(03-26-2013 07:34 PM)Niner National Wrote:  
(03-26-2013 06:57 PM)ODU2003 Wrote:  It would be shocking if CUSA brought in JMU. The last six additions - ODU, MTSU, NT, FiU, FAU and UTSA are all in or near large media markets. If they want a ready to go competitive sports program, then Western Kentucky makes more sense along the lines of LaTech. Plus the ODU AD came from western Kentucky so he would likely pull for them over adding a 4th instate FBS program.

The Sunbelt is the most likely scenario but JMU might not fit culturally.

The MAC would be the best fit and a best case scenario for JMU.
Pretty much all major media markets with a viable program are now covered in CUSA. They'll take teams that will be competitive/create fan interest and rivalries. If we go to 16, I think JMU would be a fine addition in the east. The east would be very compact with only FAU and FIU being big outliers.

Don't see CUSA going to 16. No reason to. And at this point, I'd say it goes back to pulling up from the current SunBelt or another FBS conference. I'd only see CUSA going for another FCS team if they offered a very attractive market or had some other very special factor to them, and with that said, I'd say there are several schools ahead of JMU (ULL, Arkansas St., ect.)

Sunbelt is their most realistic option, and maybe the MAC.
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JMU is taking a page put of App's play book last year. Rather than make a push for the Belt they are holding out hope for CUSA. Good luck guys, see you in the next year's round of Sun Belt additions.
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(03-26-2013 09:00 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  JMU is taking a page put of App's play book last year. Rather than make a push for the Belt they are holding out hope for CUSA. Good luck guys, see you in the next year's round of Sun Belt additions.

I don't see the CUSA taking JMU before stAte or ULL.

That's if the clock doesn't stop first. The door cant stay open forever. There are now a lot of schools that are locked into some VERY expensive buy out fees to move.

After this round, there might not be much instability left above us. Uconn is unhappy about being left behind, the Big XII-II might want to go to 12. Eventually all of this realignment will calm down. It will end at some point. The Sun Belt is at 10 teams if we lose WKU. We don't have to take anyone. And there are other interested parties.
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(03-26-2013 09:00 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  JMU is taking a page put of App's play book last year. Rather than make a push for the Belt they are holding out hope for CUSA. Good luck guys, see you in the next year's round of Sun Belt additions.

The Sunbelt already took the two best FCS adds available, and its not likely to be viable to take three or four FCS transition schools in the same year. So its hard to criticize JMU for not pushing this year for an opening that most likely doesn't exist in the first place.
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If C-USA wants to use travel partners, either WKU or JMU will work, as long as Middle Tennessee is paired with UAB:

James Madison (WKU)/Marshall
Charlotte/Old Dominion
Florida Atlantic/Florida International
UAB/Middle Tennessee
Southern Miss/Louisiana Tech
UTEP/North Texas
UTSA/Rice

Bowling Green, KY is actually about a 15 minute shorter drive from Huntington, WV compared to Harrisonburg, VA. Pair MTSU with WKU and that leaves UAB with Charlotte.
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Here's a little WKU-JMU side-by-side comparison, just for kicks.

Metro population: Bowling Green KY 162,231, Harrisonburg VA 126,562
Enrollment: WKU 21,045, JMU 19,927
Athletic budget: WKU $22.3 million, JMU $31.1 million
Football stadium size: WKU 22,000, JMU 25,000
2012 football average attendance: WKU 17,415, JMU 22,783
2012 football record: WKU 7-6, JMU 7-4
2012 football Sagarin rating: WKU 64.16 (91st), JMU 53.59 (150th)
Basketball arena size: WKU 7,326, JMU 7,156
2011-12 basketball average attendance: WKU 3,993, JMU 3,452
2012-13 basketball record: WKU 19-15, JMU 20-14
2012-13 basketball RPI: WKU 154, JMU 185

All things considered, I could see a chance of CUSA inviting JMU ahead of WKU. The difference in athletic spending is particularly notable.
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(03-26-2013 09:34 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(03-26-2013 09:00 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  JMU is taking a page put of App's play book last year. Rather than make a push for the Belt they are holding out hope for CUSA. Good luck guys, see you in the next year's round of Sun Belt additions.

The Sunbelt already took the two best FCS adds available, and its not likely to be viable to take three or four FCS transition schools in the same year. So its hard to criticize JMU for not pushing this year for an opening that most likely doesn't exist in the first place.

Idaho vs. JMU, I think they had a shot.
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(03-26-2013 08:20 PM)monarchman Wrote:  Don't see CUSA going to 16. No reason to. And at this point, I'd say it goes back to pulling up from the current SunBelt or another FBS conference. I'd only see CUSA going for another FCS team if they offered a very attractive market or had some other very special factor to them, and with that said, I'd say there are several schools ahead of JMU (ULL, Arkansas St., ect.)

Sunbelt is their most realistic option, and maybe the MAC.

While I think the Sunbelt is a more realistic option for JMU, I still think many people forget what Slive had wanted originally for C-USA. His goal was a 16-team "national" conference. He said so many times when he first was commish for the conference, and BB agreed with the idea.

They learned the hard way that the hybrid idea didn't work (thus the "release" of all the bb-onlies)

When Slive moved on, BB changed the focus a little bit. He was (and i believe still is) in favor of a 16-team conference. He was one of the driving forces behind the "then" announced Alliance with the MWC (again, I think that was his attempt to go completely national), however, to do that he had to "regeographize" (for the lack of a better word), and revert to a "southern/eastern" conference, while the MWC took the "north/western" role.

After the Boise State bounciness, nothing changed about his hope for C-USA being the first successful 16 team conference (the WAC had it previously, but they kinda screwed the pooch with the rotating pods idea), but stuck with the southern/eastern mode, to leave the door open for an Alliance/team with other conferences outside C-USA's footprint to make that "national" conference.

(He and the MWC commissioner get along fairly well, and I could see that discussion come back up down the road between the two conferences.)

As such, I don't think JMU fits in the on-going plans the current guidelines (I believe) C-USA is using, as they'd already be in a now existing C-USA market (ODU)... where as the SunBelt has shown a lot more willingness to bring in outliers (see IDaho, NMSU).
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One thing I will say here. ODU and JMU DO NOT share markets. ODU is primarily (75%+) in the SE corner of the state. That works for them because SE VA is heavily populated, and has NO other FBS team within 4 hours. They get practically no mention in Richmond, DC, Western, or Central Va. If you consider Virginia to be one market, you are foolish. It is very very segmented.

JMU brings Richmond, Central Va, and Northern Va into the fold.

That being said, I doubt CUSA has any interest.
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JMU is using the same logic App did last year regarding CUSA, these posts are bringing back painful memories. I would celebrate JMU to the Sun Belt, push for it, start the transition now, who knows where you'll be 10 years from now.
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(03-27-2013 01:45 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Here's a little WKU-JMU side-by-side comparison, just for kicks.

Metro population: Bowling Green KY 162,231, Harrisonburg VA 126,562
Enrollment: WKU 21,045, JMU 19,927
Athletic budget: WKU $22.3 million, JMU $31.1 million
Football stadium size: WKU 22,000, JMU 25,000
2012 football average attendance: WKU 17,415, JMU 22,783
2012 football record: WKU 7-6, JMU 7-4
2012 football Sagarin rating: WKU 64.16 (91st), JMU 53.59 (150th)
Basketball arena size: WKU 7,326, JMU 7,156
2011-12 basketball average attendance: WKU 3,993, JMU 3,452
2012-13 basketball record: WKU 19-15, JMU 20-14
2012-13 basketball RPI: WKU 154, JMU 185

All things considered, I could see a chance of CUSA inviting JMU ahead of WKU. The difference in athletic spending is particularly notable.

WKU has a great basketball tradition. That's something CUSA needs (and they don't seem to be interested in any MAC schools).
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