(03-21-2013 09:30 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 08:50 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 08:23 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 07:56 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  110 that want to spend to compete? I'd like a list of all of those. If we're really talking about that many teams, then there actually is plenty of room for mid-majors that want to build their programs and compete with the best. Teams like Boise State, Cincinnati, Nevada, SMU, Houston, Southern Miss, etc. aren't going to all get cut out. There's a bit of relief with that number being as large as he stated it.

I think he is talking football...add up the 5 contract bowl conferences and the Aresco league, CUSA and MWC & ND and BYU and you have...104....not sure the other 6...maybe assuming a few of the SBC or MAC or FCS.

Let's say we stopped at 104. There a few benefits of pushing the bubble from 70 to 104:

1. "Loud" mid-majors/major schools won't complain about your new system as long as they are involved. There are very influential people at some of these mid-major programs such as Scott Cowen (it's amazing how much influence a small private school can have). You don't want these kinds of people to interfere in your moneymaking scheme and blow the whole deal open.

2. You still give the public the allure of the mid-major without making half of your league a dumpster fire. The MWC/Metro/Indy schools are perfectly capable of giving you AT LEAST a ranked team with a 12-1 record that you can include in your playoff if you see fit. The "Cinderella" aspect of college sports stays intact at 104. Not at 70. TV/casual fans LOVE upset stories.

3. There still is some culling if you go down to 104. The new mid-majors will have less competition for 3-star athletes and as a result they will be able to recruit better teams and increase the standard of play at the mid-major level. This will in turn help attendance at the power schools as matchups such as Nevada vs. Texas will become more promising once Nevada elevates their play a little more. Even the "worthless" non-conference games will begin to have more competitive value - and that just might draw more interest from all sorts of fans.

4. Fewer conferences = TV networks don't have as many leagues to fund and service. Each chunk of the pie will not in danger of shrinking due to a limited stock of top level football conferences.

Now there are snags to this plan, but just maybe a more "minor" culling of Div 1 would work. Maybe.

I could agree with that. And also the MW Commissioner Craig Thompson said if there is a split of 64 schools, there are going to be alot of 6-6 teams that won't drive fans insterest. There would need to be roughly 100 schools so that even the bottom schools for the power conferences can get some wins on the mid-majors. However, hopefully an enforcement of some kind would happen. The NCAA had setup a 15k attendance threshold but never enforced it. If they ever enforced it, 20 schools would not be FBS.

When they have split before on football, they've narrowed it to 90 to 100 schools, when they went from college/university to Division I/II/III and when they tried to force schools to I-AA in 1982. Then they changed the attendance rules (but never enforced them) once the number of teams got back over 110 or so.

The difficult part is serious basketball schools like the Big East and Missouri Valley (not likely to be too much left in A-10).

According to the insider on their board, he said Calhoun states that the American 12 conference will not last, and compared UConn to Rutgers with respect to tv sets, implying UConn is headed to the Big Ten.

Don't want to come off agreeing with that fella with the Longhorn avatar, but, even Georgia Tech's radio announcer, Wes Durham, alluded to further ACC defections if Maryland gets off light (~$30M) in a recent radio interview on our 99.9 (the Fan) during an interview with the hosts before the Saturday games in Greensboro.

I will assume GT is one of those schools that would be exploring their options, too.

(03-21-2013 11:18 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Don't want to come off agreeing with that fella with the Longhorn avatar, but, even Georgia Tech's radio announcer, Wes Durham, alluded to further ACC defections if Maryland gets off light (~$30M) in a recent radio interview on our 99.9 (the Fan) during an interview with the hosts before the Saturday games in Greensboro.

I will assume GT is one of those schools that would be exploring their options, too.

When it comes to conference realignment, I just don't see how a one-time payment of $20, $30 or even the full $50 million makes a dime's worth of difference in the decision.

Just look at the thread about Butler. Even conservatively, freaking Butler has dropped over $10 million to move to the Big East.

Basically I think all this talk about waiting to see what comes of the Maryland lawsuit is a bunch of nonsense.

(03-21-2013 11:33 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:18 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Don't want to come off agreeing with that fella with the Longhorn avatar, but, even Georgia Tech's radio announcer, Wes Durham, alluded to further ACC defections if Maryland gets off light (~$30M) in a recent radio interview on our 99.9 (the Fan) during an interview with the hosts before the Saturday games in Greensboro.

I will assume GT is one of those schools that would be exploring their options, too.

When it comes to conference realignment, I just don't see how a one-time payment of $20, $30 or even the full $50 million makes a dime's worth of difference in the decision.

Just look at the thread about Butler. Even conservatively, freaking Butler has dropped over $10 million to move to the Big East.

Basically I think all this talk about waiting to see what comes of the Maryland lawsuit is a bunch of nonsense.

Well it doesn't hurt anyone to wait a few months. What difference would it make if they announced their move in January or on June 30th? There's really no reason for anyone to be in a hurry. Now June 30th might be an issue (since Pitt, SU and ND join the conference on July 1) and August 15th is the deadline to move for 2014. But beyond that, there's no need to rush.

(03-21-2013 11:04 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 09:12 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 09:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 08:48 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 08:42 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Hmm yeah like he knows what UVA and GTech is thinking. He comes off like a fan.

You don't think one of the most respected coaches in college basketball talks to more connected people than your average fan? You don't think he knows decision makers at UVA & GaTech?

He probably has a reason for saying what he says......

So if guys like Rick Pitino and Mike Krzyzewski (hell, maybe even Mike Brey) come out next week and say that no schools are leaving the ACC, well, that will be that?

If Krzyzewski were to come out next week and say that he is confident that no more teams are leaving the ACC, that would carry a lot of weight with me. Up to now, he has done nothing but have public tantrums about realignment, especially after Maryland left for the B1G. He sounds scared & concerned about realignment.....and he should be. Hell, Duke is the top of the mountain in college basketball, and his own AD recently went on and on about how much Duke is now focusing and investing in football. Duke is selling this message so that they have the right kind of home if/when the ACC is shredded.

Funny, I am a guy who wants to ACC to survive and I wouldn't give any weight at all to a Krzyzewski statement like that.

If a university AD and/or president said something like that, fine. But a basketball coach? Nope.

Krzyzewski has been very blunt on all of this. He has no filter. He has sounded very concerned about the future of the ACC.

(03-21-2013 11:18 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Don't want to come off agreeing with that fella with the Longhorn avatar, but, even Georgia Tech's radio announcer, Wes Durham, alluded to further ACC defections if Maryland gets off light (~$30M) in a recent radio interview on our 99.9 (the Fan) during an interview with the hosts before the Saturday games in Greensboro.

I will assume GT is one of those schools that would be exploring their options, too.

Wes is going to be fined 20 bitcoins by the internet police. Only West Virginia bloggers are officially licensed to make claims like that.....or so I've been told.....

(03-21-2013 11:47 AM)bullet Wrote:  Well it doesn't hurt anyone to wait a few months. What difference would it make if they announced their move in January or on June 30th? There's really no reason for anyone to be in a hurry. Now June 30th might be an issue (since Pitt, SU and ND join the conference on July 1) and August 15th is the deadline to move for 2014. But beyond that, there's no need to rush.

That makes sense. Just see what the damage is, and then move forward. But there is no way GT or anyone else in the ACC is going to stay or go because the exit fee varies between $20 million and $50 million.

The issue is several million in TV revenue per year, so the return on capital for that extra $30 million would be more than enough to justify the move, assuming all that extra TV money really is there in the first place.

(03-21-2013 12:13 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:18 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Don't want to come off agreeing with that fella with the Longhorn avatar, but, even Georgia Tech's radio announcer, Wes Durham, alluded to further ACC defections if Maryland gets off light (~$30M) in a recent radio interview on our 99.9 (the Fan) during an interview with the hosts before the Saturday games in Greensboro.

I will assume GT is one of those schools that would be exploring their options, too.

Wes is going to be fined 20 bitcoins by the internet police. Only West Virginia bloggers are officially licensed to make claims like that.....or so I've been told.....

So the State of West Virginia has coined currency in my name? Damn!!!

(03-21-2013 01:36 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 12:13 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:18 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Don't want to come off agreeing with that fella with the Longhorn avatar, but, even Georgia Tech's radio announcer, Wes Durham, alluded to further ACC defections if Maryland gets off light (~$30M) in a recent radio interview on our 99.9 (the Fan) during an interview with the hosts before the Saturday games in Greensboro.

I will assume GT is one of those schools that would be exploring their options, too.

Wes is going to be fined 20 bitcoins by the internet police. Only West Virginia bloggers are officially licensed to make claims like that.....or so I've been told.....

So the State of West Virginia has coined currency in my name? Damn!!!

(03-21-2013 01:45 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 01:36 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 12:13 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  Wes is going to be fined 20 bitcoins by the internet police. Only West Virginia bloggers are officially licensed to make claims like that.....or so I've been told.....

So the State of West Virginia has coined currency in my name? Damn!!!

How droll, dude...

(03-21-2013 09:07 AM)bluesox Wrote:  After watching the big 10 conference hoops tourney in chicago, i thought how stupid would it be to have a bunch of acc school's in the big 10. How many fans would show up with say a UVA- Ga tech finals, bunch of this realignment talk is just stupid and driven by false data, does the romney campaign give briefings to the big 10? Now i do sorta like 1 and and only 1 reach or out of market pick for the big 10 and that is FSU. Lots of midwest snowbirds in fl, lots of high school talent, good baseball for programing, etc. As for academics, its school #2 in the state of FL located in the capital city...sometime down the road, they will on the level of some big 10 school's, so i don't see it as a reach given what they bring to the table. The problem for the big 10 is they are letting the btn destroy the conference with $ projections + throw in a commish who seems off with a captain ahab pursuit of school's. The dude isn't a big 10 guy, new jersey native and unc grad, maybe he should be commish of the ACC and let the big 10 remain the big 10. My advice under no circumstance expand past 16 and include one of KU, missouri, and syracuse in the expansion to 16 to have conference cohesion.

If the Big Ten actually expands that much then you can stop thinking that it will still be entirely focused in the midwest. There will be games played in Washington D.C. for sure. That is where all the politics happen and a research focused conference is neck deep in politics. They will definitely want to be seen there. Big Ten fans will travel, that is always the case. You think they wont travel to watch a Big Ten tournament that includes some new Big Ten teams?

You don't know the Big Ten, you are projecting what you experience in the ACC, which is terrible travelling fanbases, onto the Big Ten.

(03-21-2013 11:33 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:18 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Don't want to come off agreeing with that fella with the Longhorn avatar, but, even Georgia Tech's radio announcer, Wes Durham, alluded to further ACC defections if Maryland gets off light (~$30M) in a recent radio interview on our 99.9 (the Fan) during an interview with the hosts before the Saturday games in Greensboro.

I will assume GT is one of those schools that would be exploring their options, too.

When it comes to conference realignment, I just don't see how a one-time payment of $20, $30 or even the full $50 million makes a dime's worth of difference in the decision.

Just look at the thread about Butler. Even conservatively, freaking Butler has dropped over $10 million to move to the Big East.

Basically I think all this talk about waiting to see what comes of the Maryland lawsuit is a bunch of nonsense.

A President that doesn't do his due diligence to save his University 20 million dollars or more is a President that is likely going to get canned. I don't know why folks can't understand the reality of the situation concerning a University President making such a big decision.

(03-22-2013 08:09 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:33 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:18 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Don't want to come off agreeing with that fella with the Longhorn avatar, but, even Georgia Tech's radio announcer, Wes Durham, alluded to further ACC defections if Maryland gets off light (~$30M) in a recent radio interview on our 99.9 (the Fan) during an interview with the hosts before the Saturday games in Greensboro.

I will assume GT is one of those schools that would be exploring their options, too.

When it comes to conference realignment, I just don't see how a one-time payment of $20, $30 or even the full $50 million makes a dime's worth of difference in the decision.

Just look at the thread about Butler. Even conservatively, freaking Butler has dropped over $10 million to move to the Big East.

Basically I think all this talk about waiting to see what comes of the Maryland lawsuit is a bunch of nonsense.

A President that doesn't do his due diligence to save his University 20 million dollars or more is a President that is likely going to get canned. I don't know why folks can't understand the reality of the situation concerning a University President making such a big decision.

C'mon. Are you serious? You realize that the larger state schools have annual budgets in the billions that focus on a myriad of issues pertaining to running a university: like capital improvements for the campus (campii??), money for running the various degree granting schools/departments and R&D expenditures. Sure, athletics are important and $20 mil is a nice chunk of change even if we're talking about a budget that is $2.0 billion or higher. However, don't be ignorant about how athletics actually fits within the world of your large universities. The ultimate purpose for athletics is to 1) provide an outlet for students to enrich the college experience and 2) act as a vehicle for advertising and marketing the university to prospective students. Focusing more on the marketing/advertising, there will be limits as to how far a university can travel before the marketing/advertising message is wasted on the wrong audience.

I already know your retort. "Well...it doesn't matter what conference a school plays in so long as it's among like minded universities and their games are shown on TV". Sure...in the zany world of the CR forum, that is 100% correct. But I'm going to take you back to the real world. Even large state schools like Michigan and Purdue - who arguably have great schools within the universities - are predominantly regional when it comes to attracting students. So realistically, even though a school like Texas may look attractive to the Pac12, and the conventional wisdom of the day was that Texas was going to join the Pac, the reality is that Texas needs to stay within a region that makes sense to them. Everyone assumes that Texas did not go to the Pac because it wanted to be the big boss in it's own athletic conference. OK, to a point that's true. But just as big of an issue is that it would be hard for Texas to justify the idea that it is focusing its sales and marketing efforts, thru athletics, up and down the west coast in California, Oregon and Washington. This is probably just as big of a reason for why Texas never went to the Pac.

People keep thinking that the tail wags the dog. It's simply not the way universities operate in real life.

Miko, we are talking about waiting a couple months, half a year at most to find out what is going on with the Trial and that very short amount of time could save them many millions of dollars. Yes I am being serious!

I get what you are saying Miko and you are right but in overall terms, this amount of time is very short and it is a no brainer to sit and wait to see the outcome.

I hope Maryland beats the exit fee completely and they owe $0.00.

Then it all hits the fan and all of the schools that are afraid of competing with UConn will have to deal with us again.

F Syracuse. F Boston College. F Pitt.

(03-21-2013 08:47 AM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 08:42 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 08:25 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  I wish this was on video. That is pretty bold for him to say publicly that, if Maryland gets off light, he thinks GaTech & UVA will leave the ACC for the B1G.

Hmm yeah like he knows what UVA and GTech is thinking. He comes off like a fan.

He must follow the dude on twitter and take that stuff to the bank. Glad there are people around here to set him straight.

Calhoun must be on the WVU Scout board!

woo hoo!

(03-22-2013 11:00 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I hope Maryland beats the exit fee completely and they owe $0.00.

Then it all hits the fan and all of the schools that are afraid of competing with UConn will have to deal with us again.

F Syracuse. F Boston College. F Pitt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...ZPmZ64m3_4

I could not resist. Mama Cass is a favorite of mine.

He is wishing, and hoping, and praying this happens because he knows if we lose just 1 Cinci will get the call ahead of UConn. Calhoun knows the same about the intent of UVA and GT as the rest of us. It all comes from rumors from a friends's Mom's uncle twice removed who knows somebody married to somebody who knows someone.

The only thing he said that had an ounce of firsthand knowledge to it was that UConn got caught with their pants down. I don't think it is any great surprise that all the FB schools that said not just no, but hell no, to the dumpster fire proposal Villanova put forth last year are headed to other conferences. That as much as anything laid bare the profound differences between the FB schools and the BB schools. After an attempt to put Humpty Dumpty back together again, the Catholic schools acknowledged that the hybrid would never work and moved on.

The two sides should have split after the first raid and looked after their own best interests. If that had happened. Much of this could have been avoided. IMHO.

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(03-21-2013 08:40 AM)Up2stuff Wrote:  The best part of the entire thing wasn't even about expansion:

Quote:Best part....when asked about Kentucky, he says something like..." Susan would never let me do that....I'm going to bring in 5 studs for 1 semester, she wouldn't buy into that, and I'll tell you another thing, I'll bet all those kids at UK have 4.0's, its crap"

The he says the difference between Pitino and Calipari is ..."Rick is a bull*hitter that actually believes his own bull*hit, John is a bull*itter who openly knows he is selling you bull*hit and doesn't care

Even if you're a Kentucky fan, you have to admit, that's funny as hell.

I don't really get why people hate Calipari. I don't really like UK at all, but all he is doing is playing the system. He is more honest with his kids than probably every other coach. His pitch is just "I know this rule this stupid but come here for a year and go pro. You will compete against the best and if you don't do well it means you weren't ready for the NBA anyway".

Theres this myth out there that kids going to the NBA early is so horrible. The good ones succeed no matter what, the busts at least get a good rookie contract. Is it so horrible that Kwame Brown got 80 million dollars?