(03-17-2013 12:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  People like you have an amazing gift at making yourself out to be victims. You aren't even in it yet. You are a quick learner.

UofL is no victim. We will get ours. We always have, always will. Won a BCS Bowl and earned the Number 1 Over all Seed in the NCAA tournament. We have won 7 conference championships this year so far.

What exactly have your Hawkeyes done? Finished the football season 4-8 on a 6 game losing streak and snatched a number 3 seed...in The NIT.

No wonder you pray for The ACC's demise. Misery loves company.
CJ

(03-18-2013 06:12 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 10:36 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:35 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:26 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  the big check hurts Md case of exit fee restricting movement

That isn't the issue. The issue is the exit fee being overly punitive and not really about what Maryland is costing the conference by leaving.

Maryland did not agree to the increase, they did agree to an exit fee at one point and that is why most folks believe they will be held to that amount.

The big problem is that we are talking about State sponsored Institutions and other Institutions sponsored by other states trying to basically up the cost on them and hold them in the conference at a higher cost against their will.

This is a battle between State's now too.

Don't see how its overly punitive. They easily got another conf to write a 30m check. Don't see how they were held against their will. They freely picked up and left to a place that requires signing a GOR.

Doesn't matter, they didn't vote for it and when you have a state sponsored institution basically held for ransom like that, you have a big problem.

You really don't have to understand that concept, I doubt most folks here do, especially you.

It doesn't matter if they got another conference to write another check, especially since in the eyes of the law it will be for travel expenses not exit fees. We may know why they are getting it but every cent of that will be used for travel expenses and there will be no way to trace it towards helping with the exit fee.

None of what you are saying matters in the court case. Especially leaving for a place with a GoR. And some folks have the nerve to say I just throw **** on a wall to see what sticks. That is exactly what you did with this post.

God this place is just getting more ignorant by the day.

(03-18-2013 05:36 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:23 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Pitt, Cuse AND wvu all paid the BE exit fee multiplied by a factor. That factor varied according to the time of departure. Time does equal money and in wvu's case, leaving with LESS than a years notice meant they paid 4x the exit fee.

To me 3x the exit fee would be fair, but wvu felt 4x the exit fee was fair so who am I to judge.

But the point is, NO ONE ended up following the full terms in the bylaws. West Virginia left with no notice. Syracuse and Pitt left with less than 27 months notice. Nebraska, Colorado, Mizzou and A&M paid less than the Big 12 bylaws said.

Apparently it's only schools leaving CUSA and the Mountain West who have to actually follow the contracts and bylaws they agreed to.

All contracts are made to be broken. That certainly should be one clear message coming out of conference expansion.

(03-18-2013 07:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:12 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 10:36 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:35 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:26 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  the big check hurts Md case of exit fee restricting movement

That isn't the issue. The issue is the exit fee being overly punitive and not really about what Maryland is costing the conference by leaving.

Maryland did not agree to the increase, they did agree to an exit fee at one point and that is why most folks believe they will be held to that amount.

The big problem is that we are talking about State sponsored Institutions and other Institutions sponsored by other states trying to basically up the cost on them and hold them in the conference at a higher cost against their will.

This is a battle between State's now too.

Don't see how its overly punitive. They easily got another conf to write a 30m check. Don't see how they were held against their will. They freely picked up and left to a place that requires signing a GOR.

Doesn't matter, they didn't vote for it and when you have a state sponsored institution basically held for ransom like that, you have a big problem.

You really don't have to understand that concept, I doubt most folks here do, especially you.

It doesn't matter if they got another conference to write another check, especially since in the eyes of the law it will be for travel expenses not exit fees. We may know why they are getting it but every cent of that will be used for travel expenses and there will be no way to trace it towards helping with the exit fee.

None of what you are saying matters in the court case. Especially leaving for a place with a GoR. And some folks have the nerve to say I just throw **** on a wall to see what sticks. That is exactly what you did with this post.

God this place is just getting more ignorant by the day.

(03-18-2013 05:36 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:23 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Pitt, Cuse AND wvu all paid the BE exit fee multiplied by a factor. That factor varied according to the time of departure. Time does equal money and in wvu's case, leaving with LESS than a years notice meant they paid 4x the exit fee.

To me 3x the exit fee would be fair, but wvu felt 4x the exit fee was fair so who am I to judge.

But the point is, NO ONE ended up following the full terms in the bylaws. West Virginia left with no notice. Syracuse and Pitt left with less than 27 months notice. Nebraska, Colorado, Mizzou and A&M paid less than the Big 12 bylaws said.

Apparently it's only schools leaving CUSA and the Mountain West who have to actually follow the contracts and bylaws they agreed to.

All contracts are made to be broken. That certainly should be one clear message coming out of conference expansion.

Never mind, I re-read your post and realized it was written with a large degree of sarcasm.

(03-18-2013 07:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 12:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  People like you have an amazing gift at making yourself out to be victims. You aren't even in it yet. You are a quick learner.

UofL is no victim. We will get ours. We always have, always will. Won a BCS Bowl and earned the Number 1 Over all Seed in the NCAA tournament. We have won 7 conference championships this year so far.

What exactly have your Hawkeyes done? Finished the football season 4-8 on a 6 game losing streak and snatched a number 3 seed...in The NIT.

No wonder you pray for The ACC's demise. Misery loves company.
CJ

Let me guess, you are simply a t shirt fan of Louisville because that is what you sound like.

Iowa could play in the NIT every year and finish last in football every year and still be better off than Louisville. Thats a fact and you know it....and hate that it's true.

You talk about misery because you are well experienced in it aren't you? That is good because you will be able to take what is coming much more calmly due to all the misery you have been dealing with while being a such a disgusting tribalistic t shirt fan.

(03-18-2013 08:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 07:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 12:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  People like you have an amazing gift at making yourself out to be victims. You aren't even in it yet. You are a quick learner.

UofL is no victim. We will get ours. We always have, always will. Won a BCS Bowl and earned the Number 1 Over all Seed in the NCAA tournament. We have won 7 conference championships this year so far.

What exactly have your Hawkeyes done? Finished the football season 4-8 on a 6 game losing streak and snatched a number 3 seed...in The NIT.

No wonder you pray for The ACC's demise. Misery loves company.
CJ

Iowa could play in the NIT every year and finish last in football every year and still be better off than Louisville. Thats a fact and you know it....and hate that it's true.

What exactly is the point of sports in your world?

(03-18-2013 08:43 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 07:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 12:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  People like you have an amazing gift at making yourself out to be victims. You aren't even in it yet. You are a quick learner.

UofL is no victim. We will get ours. We always have, always will. Won a BCS Bowl and earned the Number 1 Over all Seed in the NCAA tournament. We have won 7 conference championships this year so far.

What exactly have your Hawkeyes done? Finished the football season 4-8 on a 6 game losing streak and snatched a number 3 seed...in The NIT.

No wonder you pray for The ACC's demise. Misery loves company.
CJ

Iowa could play in the NIT every year and finish last in football every year and still be better off than Louisville. Thats a fact and you know it....and hate that it's true.

What exactly is the point of sports in your world?

Damn WakeForestRanger, I think I pegged you wrong. You are a pretty smart guy.

I like the individual battles. I watch them as gladiatorial events. That means that to me it is more about the individuals and then the individual events and then the overall way that the season of competition unfolds. I do cheer for the Hawkeyes but I don't get all that upset if they do not have a winning season. There are plenty of other games to watch if they are playing pitifully. I do not get Tribalistic with it as if I am a part of it. I think that is why I come off differently than most fans.

Because of this viewpoint of mine, conference realignment intrigues me. It does not intrigue me due to what Iowa could gain or lose from it. It intrigues me for the way that it can change the game overall. It intrigues me for the way that we can get away from idiots with biased opinions deciding which team is better than another. It should be decided on the field and when it is, it doesn't matter who had the overall best season.

You play the season for the chance to win it all. The season shouldn't matter more than That Chance. That is the point of sports for me. It is about the moment. I want better moments than what we have in College Football currently.

Decent answer?

(03-18-2013 08:43 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 07:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 12:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  People like you have an amazing gift at making yourself out to be victims. You aren't even in it yet. You are a quick learner.

UofL is no victim. We will get ours. We always have, always will. Won a BCS Bowl and earned the Number 1 Over all Seed in the NCAA tournament. We have won 7 conference championships this year so far.

What exactly have your Hawkeyes done? Finished the football season 4-8 on a 6 game losing streak and snatched a number 3 seed...in The NIT.

No wonder you pray for The ACC's demise. Misery loves company.
CJ

Iowa could play in the NIT every year and finish last in football every year and still be better off than Louisville. Thats a fact and you know it....and hate that it's true.

What exactly is the point of sports in your world?

Man...that pretty much the Alums/Fans blow back when Alums/Fans of other schools point out the lack of success on the Gridiron/Hardwood. It is especially funny on a sports board...but as I always say, whatever makes them feel better bout themselves...it is what it is...

(03-18-2013 08:51 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:43 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 07:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 12:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  People like you have an amazing gift at making yourself out to be victims. You aren't even in it yet. You are a quick learner.

UofL is no victim. We will get ours. We always have, always will. Won a BCS Bowl and earned the Number 1 Over all Seed in the NCAA tournament. We have won 7 conference championships this year so far.

What exactly have your Hawkeyes done? Finished the football season 4-8 on a 6 game losing streak and snatched a number 3 seed...in The NIT.

No wonder you pray for The ACC's demise. Misery loves company.
CJ

Iowa could play in the NIT every year and finish last in football every year and still be better off than Louisville. Thats a fact and you know it....and hate that it's true.

What exactly is the point of sports in your world?

Man...that pretty much the Alums/Fans blow back when Alums/Fans of other schools point out the lack of success on the Gridiron/Hardwood. It is especually funny on a sports board...but as I always say, whatever makes them feel better bout themselves...it is what it is...

Whatever makes me feel better about myself? Does the results of other people playing sports actually affect how you feel about yourself? Now that is sad.

(03-18-2013 08:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:51 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:43 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 07:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  UofL is no victim. We will get ours. We always have, always will. Won a BCS Bowl and earned the Number 1 Over all Seed in the NCAA tournament. We have won 7 conference championships this year so far.

What exactly have your Hawkeyes done? Finished the football season 4-8 on a 6 game losing streak and snatched a number 3 seed...in The NIT.

No wonder you pray for The ACC's demise. Misery loves company.
CJ

Iowa could play in the NIT every year and finish last in football every year and still be better off than Louisville. Thats a fact and you know it....and hate that it's true.

What exactly is the point of sports in your world?

Man...that pretty much the Alums/Fans blow back when Alums/Fans of other schools point out the lack of success on the Gridiron/Hardwood. It is especually funny on a sports board...but as I always say, whatever makes them feel better bout themselves...it is what it is...

Whatever makes me feel better about myself? Does the results of other people playing sports actually affect how you feel about yourself? Now that is sad.

No...making assumptions again like you did with CJ...just pointing out what it is usually about. Since you know absolutely nothing about myself you can't say nothing about me...like I actually can't say anything about you.

But to make the "T-Shirt" argument IMO is dumb...but that what you apparently do...myself, my attitude is whatever...I @ least get a good laugh out of it...lmbo

(03-18-2013 09:00 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:51 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:43 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Iowa could play in the NIT every year and finish last in football every year and still be better off than Louisville. Thats a fact and you know it....and hate that it's true.

What exactly is the point of sports in your world?

Man...that pretty much the Alums/Fans blow back when Alums/Fans of other schools point out the lack of success on the Gridiron/Hardwood. It is especually funny on a sports board...but as I always say, whatever makes them feel better bout themselves...it is what it is...

Whatever makes me feel better about myself? Does the results of other people playing sports actually affect how you feel about yourself? Now that is sad.

No...making assumptions again like you did with CJ...just pointing out what it is usually about. Since you know absolutely nothing about myself you can't say nothing about me...like I actually can't say anything about you.

But to make the "T-Shirt" argument IMO is dumb...but that what you apparently do...myself, my attitude is whatever...I @ least get a good laugh out of it...lmbo

Fair enough, I really can't say anything you just posted here is incorrect so I will just leave it with fair enough.

(03-18-2013 08:48 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:43 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 07:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 12:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  People like you have an amazing gift at making yourself out to be victims. You aren't even in it yet. You are a quick learner.

UofL is no victim. We will get ours. We always have, always will. Won a BCS Bowl and earned the Number 1 Over all Seed in the NCAA tournament. We have won 7 conference championships this year so far.

What exactly have your Hawkeyes done? Finished the football season 4-8 on a 6 game losing streak and snatched a number 3 seed...in The NIT.

No wonder you pray for The ACC's demise. Misery loves company.
CJ

Iowa could play in the NIT every year and finish last in football every year and still be better off than Louisville. Thats a fact and you know it....and hate that it's true.

What exactly is the point of sports in your world?

Damn WakeForestRanger, I think I pegged you wrong. You are a pretty smart guy.

I like the individual battles. I watch them as gladiatorial events. That means that to me it is more about the individuals and then the individual events and then the overall way that the season of competition unfolds. I do cheer for the Hawkeyes but I don't get all that upset if they do not have a winning season. There are plenty of other games to watch if they are playing pitifully. I do not get Tribalistic with it as if I am a part of it. I think that is why I come off differently than most fans.

Because of this viewpoint of mine, conference realignment intrigues me. It does not intrigue me due to what Iowa could gain or lose from it. It intrigues me for the way that it can change the game overall. It intrigues me for the way that we can get away from idiots with biased opinions deciding which team is better than another. It should be decided on the field and when it is, it doesn't matter who had the overall best season.

You play the season for the chance to win it all. The season shouldn't matter more than That Chance. That is the point of sports for me. It is about the moment. I want better moments than what we have in College Football currently.

Decent answer?

" It intrigues me for the way that we can get away from idiots with biased opinions deciding which team is better than another."

Now this I agree with. Sometimes on this board it's like school kids on the playground arguing about who has the meanest big brother. Sure, I will defend Mizzou against what I feel is a cheap shot, but in the end it's just a game. Some good and some bad...

Actually I wasn't talking about the posters here. I was talking about the fact that persons such as sports writers have such a big say in rankings. I find most sports writers to be bumbling idiots. They aren't exactly your sharpest literary finds. Hell, they chose to turn their journalism degrees (or whatever they have) into writing about sports. I mean, we need them around, we just dont need them deciding which teams are better.

(03-16-2013 08:47 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(03-16-2013 08:32 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  Travel subsidy?
more like exit fee subsidy imo
doesn't help MD punitive arguement either

This. This does not help Maryland's case at all.

You could easily say "if it's worth that much to the B1G for you to join, then that is a good estimate of what it is costing us for you to leave."

(03-18-2013 06:41 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:10 PM)Maize Wrote:  Time=$$$…they all paid a higher $$$$ amount to leave a little earliier...both UofL & Rutgers will have to likely do the same. What started this was a poster had stated that the $20-30 Million gift from the B1G to Maryland would cover the entire amount.

What we are pointing out is Maryland wants to pay the original $20 Million exit fee & the the B1G $$$ in our view is to cover the rest.

Except for the fact the Maryland is following the required ACC time frame. They aren't trying to leave early..

That kinda kills everyone time is money argument now doesn't it? If schools are only paying the full amount or premium if they leave early and are paying less if they stay the full length, why do people expect Maryland to pay the full amount?

Sometimes the lack of logic here is mind boggling.

Because a trial would allow for discovery. Not coincidentally, the amount the B1G just gave Maryland is the difference between the old exit fee that Maryland asserts they are obligated to pay and the full amount that they will have to pay to avoid a trial.

(03-19-2013 07:44 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:41 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:10 PM)Maize Wrote:  Time=$$$…they all paid a higher $$$$ amount to leave a little earliier...both UofL & Rutgers will have to likely do the same. What started this was a poster had stated that the $20-30 Million gift from the B1G to Maryland would cover the entire amount.

What we are pointing out is Maryland wants to pay the original $20 Million exit fee & the the B1G $$$ in our view is to cover the rest.

Except for the fact the Maryland is following the required ACC time frame. They aren't trying to leave early..

That kinda kills everyone time is money argument now doesn't it? If schools are only paying the full amount or premium if they leave early and are paying less if they stay the full length, why do people expect Maryland to pay the full amount?

Sometimes the lack of logic here is mind boggling.

Because a trial would allow for discovery. Not coincidentally, the amount the B1G just gave Maryland is the difference between the old exit fee that Maryland asserts they are obligated to pay and the full amount that they will have to pay to avoid a trial.

Maryland , not the ACC, has the most to lose if the matter goes to trial.

(03-19-2013 08:04 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 07:44 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:41 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:10 PM)Maize Wrote:  Time=$$$…they all paid a higher $$$$ amount to leave a little earliier...both UofL & Rutgers will have to likely do the same. What started this was a poster had stated that the $20-30 Million gift from the B1G to Maryland would cover the entire amount.

What we are pointing out is Maryland wants to pay the original $20 Million exit fee & the the B1G $$$ in our view is to cover the rest.

Except for the fact the Maryland is following the required ACC time frame. They aren't trying to leave early..

That kinda kills everyone time is money argument now doesn't it? If schools are only paying the full amount or premium if they leave early and are paying less if they stay the full length, why do people expect Maryland to pay the full amount?

Sometimes the lack of logic here is mind boggling.

Because a trial would allow for discovery. Not coincidentally, the amount the B1G just gave Maryland is the difference between the old exit fee that Maryland asserts they are obligated to pay and the full amount that they will have to pay to avoid a trial.

Maryland , not the ACC, has the most to lose if the matter goes to trial.

Not arguing either way but I find it funny that each side of the debate is convinced the other side has everything to lose and no chance of winning in a trial.

(03-19-2013 08:04 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 07:44 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:41 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:10 PM)Maize Wrote:  Time=$$$…they all paid a higher $$$$ amount to leave a little earliier...both UofL & Rutgers will have to likely do the same. What started this was a poster had stated that the $20-30 Million gift from the B1G to Maryland would cover the entire amount.

What we are pointing out is Maryland wants to pay the original $20 Million exit fee & the the B1G $$$ in our view is to cover the rest.

Except for the fact the Maryland is following the required ACC time frame. They aren't trying to leave early..

That kinda kills everyone time is money argument now doesn't it? If schools are only paying the full amount or premium if they leave early and are paying less if they stay the full length, why do people expect Maryland to pay the full amount?

Sometimes the lack of logic here is mind boggling.

Because a trial would allow for discovery. Not coincidentally, the amount the B1G just gave Maryland is the difference between the old exit fee that Maryland asserts they are obligated to pay and the full amount that they will have to pay to avoid a trial.

Maryland , not the ACC, has the most to lose if the matter goes to trial.

On this we agree. if Maryland was negotiating with the B1G prior to this vote (they were), and the B1G approached them (they did), and the non disclosure was intended to keep other schools in the ACC from getting wind of their plans (it was), you have a pretty good start on a tortious interference suit. Look at how the SEC did it. They would not issue an invitation to anyone. They instead waited for schools to apply. This way the responsibility lay on the exiting school, not the SEC.

I've been in bankruptcy cases involving property rights, and these deals always just scream "split the difference!"

Maryland says $20 million, the ACC says $50 million, and unless they settle, the judge is going to say $35 million and be done with it. I know they try to wrap these things up in legal positioning and conclude that one of the two parties is the "right" party. But at the end of the day, these things settle down the middle.